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New Business Class For LH A380s  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12732 posts, RR: 35
Posted (8 months 21 hours ago) and read 12267 times:

Business class travelers, heads up: Lufthansa finished the first A380 cabin reconfiguration in HAM. The jet with registration D-AIMB is now equipped with fully-flat J beds and was ferried back to FRA today. The airline also took delivery of D-AIMK today, a brand-new A380 featuring the new J seats as well.

Although Lufthansa has yet to reveal images of the new cabin, the seat map bellow shows the product will be (almost) the same as the 747-8i fleet.

Old configuration with 98 J seats:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/iwrczo.jpg

New configuration with 92 J seats:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2dt6ges.jpg

http://mobile.lufthansa.com/static/s...tmaps/LH_A380-800_Oberdeck_y12.pdf

[Edited 2014-04-01 13:38:02]


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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1729 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 months 20 hours ago) and read 12018 times:

Isn't it amazing? Practically brand new airplanes are already obsolete customer service wise and are being retrofitted. Who would ever have thought it but it just goes to show how much high value customers mean to LH and the entire industry.

It is starting to remind me of the old trans-Atlantic ocean liner days when steerage passengers paid for the trip and first class was just pure profit.



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (8 months 20 hours ago) and read 11953 times:

Not really surprising as they put an archaic (relatively) product on a new airplane.


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User currently offlinen515cr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 months 20 hours ago) and read 11894 times:

What's the rollout schedule for the retrofits?

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (8 months 19 hours ago) and read 11675 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 1):
Practically brand new airplanes are already obsolete customer service wise and are being retrofitted.

JL/NH put some pretty dreadful seats on their new 787s too; makes you wonder if it's timing or incompetence. Or both.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 months 19 hours ago) and read 11575 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):

And very soon PY will be added.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 2):
Not really surprising as they put an archaic (relatively) product on a new airplane.

The new J-class wasnt ready when the first ten A380s were delivered to LH.
The first new A380 since summer 2012, D-AIMK, was delivered today. I wonder if it already has the new Premium Economy seats as well.

Quoting n515cr (Reply 3):

What's the rollout schedule for the retrofits?

D-AIMB was the first and so far only one which was refurbished. The others will follow rather soon as it fits into the schedule.


User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 months 17 hours ago) and read 11221 times:

Never taken LH in J but doesn't 2-2-2 sounds pretty cramped for long haul J?

User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (8 months 11 hours ago) and read 10890 times:

From the looks of the seatmap, it looks like the BE Diamond seat that KL, UA, etc. use.


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User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 months 11 hours ago) and read 10778 times:

And then there is AF. Still trudging along with their circa 2002 designed seats... :P

It's crazy how many airlines are retrofitting new aircraft with updated products.



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User currently offlinedaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 693 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 months 10 hours ago) and read 10697 times:

Quoting na (Reply 5):
D-AIMB was the first and so far only one which was refurbished. The others will follow rather soon as it fits into the schedule.

actually it's D-AIMB and D-AIMK with D-AIMA being in the shop right now.


User currently offlinewzafar From Pakistan, joined Feb 2014, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 months 10 hours ago) and read 10653 times:

Quoting infinit (Reply 6):

How about a 2-3-2 J config on an EK 77W?  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12732 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (8 months 9 hours ago) and read 10517 times:

Quoting na (Reply 5):
The first new A380 since summer 2012, D-AIMK, was delivered today. I wonder if it already has the new Premium Economy seats as well.

The Premium Economy seats are not ready yet and will be installed during 2015.

Quoting na (Reply 5):
D-AIMB was the first and so far only one which was refurbished.
Quoting daumueller (Reply 9):
actually it's D-AIMB and D-AIMK with D-AIMA being in the shop right now.

Na is right: D-AIMK was not refurbished, it has the new seats straight out of the factory.

[Edited 2014-04-02 00:41:36]


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User currently offlinedaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 693 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 months 9 hours ago) and read 10480 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
Na is right: D-AIMK was not refurbished, it has the new seats straight out of the factory.

fair Point, though I understood the original question to be about "how many planes can I expect to have the new seat when"  


User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 months 9 hours ago) and read 10426 times:

Quoting wzafar (Reply 10):

Ah yes. I hadn't taken EK in J as well and 2-3-2 sounds like its pushing it. My only long haul flights in J have been on SQ's 1-2-1 long haul product.

Another user suggested it doesn't feel cramped at all. Of course I wouldn't judge since I haven't taken it myself but I was merely a little doubtful at first. I am open to trying LH's J product and being a Star Alliance loyalist I'm sure it's a matter of time before I do.


User currently offlineasetiadi From Indonesia, joined May 2013, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 months 8 hours ago) and read 10062 times:

I thought long haul business class (J) are under 1-2-1 configuration as today's standard. Why they are still using 2-2-2? That's more like for regional business class.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12732 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (8 months 8 hours ago) and read 9982 times:

Quoting daumueller (Reply 9):
D-AIMA being in the shop right now

So the last flight of D-AIMA was yesterday and it now is inside a hangar for cabin reconfiguration?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAIMA



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 months 8 hours ago) and read 9840 times:

Quoting infinit (Reply 6):
Never taken LH in J but doesn't 2-2-2 sounds pretty cramped for long haul J?

Why? To my experience thats perfect on the A380 and 747. Current J is already better than First Class 20 years ago, do you want to upgrade it even further?

Quoting daumueller (Reply 9):
D-AIMA being in the shop right now.

Thanks for the info.


User currently offlinedaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 693 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 months 8 hours ago) and read 9760 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):
Quoting daumueller (Reply 9):D-AIMA being in the shop right now
So the last flight of D-AIMA was yesterday and it now is inside a hangar for cabin reconfiguration?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAIMA

afaik, she was ferried to HAM yesterday afternoon for reconfig - haven't been to either FRA or HAM yesterday though to confirm the aircraft in sight  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12732 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (8 months 8 hours ago) and read 9644 times:

Quoting daumueller (Reply 17):
afaik, she was ferried to HAM yesterday afternoon for reconfig - haven't been to either FRA or HAM yesterday though to confirm the aircraft in sight

Thank you.

There's a story about the cabin reconfiguration on abendblatt.de:

http://www.abendblatt.de/wirtschaft/...amburg-laesst-den-A380-surfen.html



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User currently offlinedavidho1985 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2012, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 months 7 hours ago) and read 9558 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
JL/NH put some pretty dreadful seats on their new 787s too; makes you wonder if it's timing or incompetence. Or both.

I heard it was partly due to the delay of 787 programme.

As the original EIS of 787 was 2008, the seats; PTV etc were selected (and placed the orders) by the airlines few years
ahead of the original delivery time. Therefore, those products may not be the latest version as available in 2012.


User currently offlinewingflex744 From Italy, joined May 2013, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 months 6 hours ago) and read 8758 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Although Lufthansa has yet to reveal images of the new cabin, the seat map bellow shows the product will be (almost) the same as the 747-8i fleet.

It looks similar in the middle row (feet facing) but the two side rows don't look similar to the 748i at all as the two seats are parallel instead of forming a V like the middle row.



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 months 6 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

Quoting infinit (Reply 13):
My only long haul flights in J have been on SQ's 1-2-1 long haul product.
Quoting asetiadi (Reply 14):
I thought long haul business class (J) are under 1-2-1 configuration as today's standard. Why they are still using 2-2-2? That's more like for regional business class.


You are spoiled guys. Until recently most airlines had reclining 2-2-2 or 2-3-2 in longhaul J. Now things are changing rapidly, with AF, KL and LH going flat and some airlines going 1-2-1.
I was a bit surprised when LH still installed reclining seat in their first A380s, and unfortunately they didnt see the flatbeds standard coming.
Talking about tight J-class long haul, how about UA who recently installed 8 abreast in J!!!   



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1729 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 months 6 hours ago) and read 8511 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):

JL/NH put some pretty dreadful seats on their new 787s too; makes you wonder if it's timing or incompetence. Or both.

Having flown on most of the major Japanese carriers I have come to the reluctant conclusion that we Americans just have bigger butts. What is uncomfortable to us is perfectly comfortable to the Japanese. I recall flying from NRT on JAL in the all coach 74D--the seat pitch must have been about 29 inches. It was pure torture but thankfully it was a short flight.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 months 6 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 21):
I was a bit surprised when LH still installed reclining seat in their first A380s, and unfortunately they didnt see the flatbeds standard coming.

They saw it coming, the new product just wasnt ready in time.


User currently offlineaa777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1254 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 months 5 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 1):

Isn't it amazing? Practically brand new airplanes are already obsolete customer service wise and are being retrofitted. Who would ever have thought it but it just goes to show how much high value customers mean to LH and the entire industry.

It is starting to remind me of the old trans-Atlantic ocean liner days when steerage passengers paid for the trip and first class was just pure profit.
Quoting wingflex744 (Reply 20):
It looks similar in the middle row (feet facing) but the two side rows don't look similar to the 748i at all as the two seats are parallel instead of forming a V like the middle row.
Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 7):

From the looks of the seatmap, it looks like the BE Diamond seat that KL, UA, etc. use.

It is not actually the PMCO J seat like on UA and CA, though I can certainly understand why it looks that way to you. It is actually the same seat that is on the 748, just rotated parallel by the walls because the upper eck of the A380 isn't wide enough for the Vs. There has been a big ole confab on another travel web forum about it. I have a J trip on the A380 coming up in July FRA-IAH, and I sure hope I'll get it. They recently updated the seatmap on my flight to reflect the new cabin (look for row 21 to move behind the galley to recognize it), but based on the replies of others in that forum, I think they updated all of the maps. I have 3 other flights on an LH A380 in September FRA-JNB, JNB_FRA and FRA-IAH, but alas, I will be in poverty class.



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25 questions : It looks like LF changed the angle of the window seats. On the 748i all pairs are angled toward each other. On the A380 the window pairs are angled to
26 jfidler : I've flown that on UA, and it's not only a tight squeeze, (compared to other C class configs) but it means you might spend a lot of the flight steppi
27 by738 : BA is 2-4-2 in J albeit ying-yang
28 FirstClass : The good news is that LH is constantly upgrading their product. From a financial POV their strategy of following innovators such as SQ, CX and NZ seem
29 DTWPurserBoy : I'll cry 'til I stop (big grin). Enjoy the 380--it is on my bucket list for next summer to Europe--probably on LH.
30 Post contains images RDH3E : The 8 across is perfectly acceptable for all but the 30 seconds of the flight you need to be hopping over someone But in all seriousness, most airlin
31 aa777223 : No worries, my friend, haha. I didn't mean to sound like a snob. It is just quite a few hours to be in the back (er...bottom) of the bus. I'm a big U
32 Farzan : It is not acceptable EVER on a T7. Tried it on UA FRA-ORD. Never again.
33 Post contains images flylonghaul : Well done to LH for upgrading the product. Angled lie flat isn't really up to standard these days especially against products like BA J 2-2-2 is fine
34 wzafar : 2-2-2 is not fine when QF''s partner (EK) does 1-2-1 in J and competition (CX, SQ) also do 1-2-1.. Also QF's J beds are slopy
35 SASDC8 : EK does 2-3-2 in J on their 777s! Heck they even have 2-2-2 in F! on some of their 777s. I think LH is making the correct dession to refit their 380s
36 PM : I've flown LH Business Class on both A380s and 747s (-400 and -8i) and 2-2-2 is no problem at all. But I certainly prefer the new product on the 748i
37 qf002 : It's good to see that they've switched to the more traditional BE Diamond layout for the window pairs, I never really understood the point of having t
38 avek00 : I'm glad Lufthansa is looking to become competitive with major US and Asian carriers in its Business Class hard product.
39 wzafar : let's hope it's not too late for QFi
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