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British/Israeli Off Loaded From KU  
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

A man holding dual British/Israeli passports was off loaded from a Kuwait Airways flight at LHR, the man was travelling to India via Kuwait on his Israeli passport which had the Indian visa endorsed on it.

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User currently offlineSas a340 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1113 times:


What's so special about it?
Is it so rare that people with dual pasports are hold at airports?


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1101 times:

Didnt the man and his agent have sense enough not to travel/put him on an Arab airline on that passport? and whats your problem Angry


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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

What's wrong with the passport? If Kuwait Airways chooses not to permit Israeli passport holders to fly, that's a pretty political thing to do. And racist, too.....

Airlines are there to make business and money, not politics. If British Airways decided not to transport Arab passengers anymore, I would never fly with them again. I had been thinking about flying to New York on KU, but now I'm sure I won't. Any airline employing such policies is not deserving of the little revenue my flight would bring them...

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

Here's some info from timatic:

<
ADMISSION AND TRANSIT RESTRICTIONS: THE GOVERNMENT OF KUWAIT<
REFUSES:<
1. ADMISSION TO HOLDERS OF ISRAELI OR<
PALESTINIAN PASSPORTS.<
2. TRANSIT TO THOSE MENTIONED UNDER ADMISSION RESTRICTIONS<
1. EVEN IF NOT LEAVING THE AIRCRAFT AND PROCEEDING BY<
SAME FLIGHT.<


User currently offlineBA-747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1065 times:

omg do u ppl even know that ppl that hold an israeli passport or any other nationality with an israeli stamp in there passport are point blank refused entry to certain arab countries so why do u think airlines would be any different. if an israeli cant go to egypt because they just cant do u think egyptair would nowingly let an israeli onto one of there flights i think not!.

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Be rational its not the airlines fault, but the person and his travel agent are to blame, Kuwait is amongst a number of Arab countries that do not recognise Israel, and Kuwait Airways is state run so the states poilicies aply to them too, a number of other countries and their airlines follow the same rules. In another post I had asked if people from Islamic countries would be allowed to travel on EL AL flights out of LHR for example and many members here answered they would not, and only an exception could be made perhaps in case of anemergency, like if no seats were available on other airlines and the concerned individual or family had to reach their destination at all costs Smile


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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1047 times:

It's sad to see things like this happen in the 21st century.


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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1040 times:

BA-747: Which language was that? Spotted the odd English word somewhere in your post, but most of it was incomprehensible...

LY772: Obviously, you are just as racist as al Queda....

Marco: Agree with you 100%

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1023 times:

LY772 , you must be ashamed by what you've posted because as Ikarus said you are as racist as al qaeda...and by the way Israel must rethink its politic because they are getting the world in trouble, the whole world is suffering now because of Israel's arrogance and racisme against Palestinians...
I don't hate Israelis but enough is enough !!!



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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1016 times:

AIR MALTA:
I disagree. First, the whole world is not (yet) in trouble. Second, the reason is not Israel's suppression of Palestinians (although it contributed as motivator of some terrorists). The reason is the desire of one megalomaniac to unite a billion people behind him, doing what all clever strategists do: creating an enemy so big and hated that people unite to fight him. By provoking the USA into attacking Islamic countries and Arabs, he basically tries to demonize them...

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6451 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 993 times:

BA-747 was speculating about Israelis going to Egypt. They will either go on ElAl flight 443/444 or Air Sinai flight 43/42 from TLV to CAI and back. Price is roughly $350 for a return trip on Y class. There are probably cheaper charter flights.

Egypt is a normal country and has ended all wars.

Last time I was in Israel I noticed huge adverticements for holiday trips to Egypt in Jerusalem Post. Mostly bus trips.

God bless Egypt and the Egyptian people for their wisdom.

Regards, Preben Norholm



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6451 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 978 times:

Since we are on the way to Egypt, then why not make it a grander tour: Royal Jordanian Dash-8 from TLV to AMM (Amman), and a stopover before the Egyptair B737 from AMM to CAI? And same way back to Tel Aviv again. Y class price goes up less than $100.


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User currently offlineBigmo747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 965 times:

ly772--why don't u kiss my pAkistAni Ass?? are there enough "A"s or should i include the ones in ur A rAcist Asshole!!!!!

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 912 times:

Air Malta please don't justify what bin laden to america on the 9/11 because that wasn't the reason. His aims are to get rid of "infidels" in the Middle East, especially in saudi. Also, palistinians have to stop terrorizing the israeli's, (yes even the israeli's have to stop aswell) so don't blame only one side.


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User currently offlinePANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 901 times:

EL AL regularly flies and transports Arabs all the time!

Airmale, Kuwait doesn't fly Israelis because Kuwaitis hate Israel and deny its existance and prosperity.

EL AL doesn't fly Kuwaiti citizens because Kuwait hates Israel, its a sort of "all we can do becuase your not being nice to us". If Israel could do business with Kuwait and normalize reltions it sure would (just like Turkey, Mauritius, Jordan, Egypt, and years of failure with stubborn awful Syrians).

So, its completely different!


User currently offlineHisham From Lebanon, joined Aug 1999, 701 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 890 times:

How come LY772's comment has not been deleted yet? Have you all suggested deletion?

Hisham.


User currently offlineKRP From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 878 times:

Why should it be deleted?
It´s a free world (or is it?) He/she can say what he/she wants - it will say more abaout him/herself than anything else.

This deletion business is rediculus - we don¨t live in a world of censorship.

Let each man have his say - and let him be accountable for it!

End to all internet censorship!

If anything should be deleted its should be the "delete this post botton"
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As for the original topic. It is as dispicable for the Kuwaities to discriminate as it for american, chineese and as of sunday danish - carriers to discriminate against "arabs"


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 869 times:

I agree with the above post regarding the "delete this post" button. Not only is it censorship, but (worse) it suggests there are sniveling little crybabies here, running behind Mommy's skirts to see who can be first to curry favor with her.

JMHO, of course.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 860 times:

Just to add something: of course, both sides, the Israelis and the Palestinians have to stop their violence against the other side. But please note that Palestinian violence comes from radical organisations mainly, not the normal Palestinian people, while the violence from Israel is being carried out by the government/military mainly. And too often the Israeli military strikes back against normal peaceful people, using F-16s, helis or tanks.
Certainly, those bombings from Palestinian organisations are bad crimes, but it is not justified to punish all Palestinians for that.
And why always blame Arafat after a bombing? How can he have control of all those radical organisations? Blaming Arafat is a very very easy way of a reaction...

The whole problem can only be solved by the forming of a Palestinian state...without it the violence won't stop. And the whole world will suffer from that violence until that day.

By the way, why blaming Kuwait Airways? It's just the government's view and people should take care of that. Emirates or Gulf Air don't transport Israeli passport holders, too. They are not more racist than several people in Israel who don't accept the Palestinians.


Just my view

Regards
Udo


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 837 times:

Regarding "Deletion", only posts and threads with foul language and personal attacks on a member or against a religion should be deleted, the rest should remain.

PANYNJ-, Yes! none of the Arab states deal with Israel, perhaps if Israel changed their stance on Palestine most would open up to them, like Qatar and Oman which were quite eager on doing business with Isarel and allowing air services between the respective countries until like ususal Israel did something in the occupied territories that starined relations between t5hem again. As for Israel's prosperity? to a place like Kuwait its no less than say Cyprus. Kuwait Airway's policy is a state policy shared with many Muslim countries, an Israeli citizen is not to set foot on their soil. quite obviously the man was Israeli with British citizen ship, he could've flown LY, BA, VS, or AI instead Smile



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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 823 times:

The person who didn’t let the Israeli to get aboard the flight has more brain than the Israeli man himself.
Any way, its against the Israeli law for Israelis to fly with airlines from countries that Israel doesn’t have a diplomatic relation with them and even not to fly over them.

Udo, when the “Intifada” started a year ago, Arafat sent free many Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorist who were in Palestinian prisons. This gave the Hamas and Islamic Jihad a “Green light” to perform a terrorist action against Israel. So we can blame him.



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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 813 times:

Rather silly if you ask me, why cant an Israeli flying a European or other airline fly over countries that do not have ties with Israel? dosent make sense at all, if the man had chosen any other carrier he would have had to still do just that, or do airlines have to ply other routes when carrying Israeli passengers? and since the person was more of a British citizen he had the right and freedom to choose any airline just that he was wrong to have done so an Arab one on his Israeli passport Smile


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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 806 times:

Airmale,
The problem is not flying above an Arab country, the problem is landing in that country because of an emergency.
I don’t want to think what will happen if Israelis will find themselves suddenly in Iraq for example (if planes do land in Iraq).

About the passport, I agree. He should have used his British passport and not the Israeli one.



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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 803 times:

That would not happen for two reasons;

1. The person did not land there by choice or on purpose.

2. The person is responsibility of the airline he is travelling with.

But by choosing to fly an Arab airline via an Arab country on an Israeli passport deliberately he himself was inviting trouble, which perhaps may have ended up being blown out of proportion by the media and others Smile



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25 Jaysit : Its the basic two-faced policies of all those gulf states. I've heard reports where passengers with Jewish sounding names have been booted off flights
26 Marco : Avi: believe it or not nothing would happen to a Jew in Iraq. In fact there are synagogues and Iraqi Jews in Iraq. Iraq is a country of many faiths an
27 Prebennorholm : Well, at least we must have learned by now that this thread was NOT started by Kuwait Airlines sales promotion department.
28 Post contains images Airmale : Got a problem Prebennholm? Avi- as for the Arabs hating Israel, I distinctly recall Qatar and Oman set up trade realtions with israel which included v
29 Avi : This law is a precaution one. I know that there are Jews in Iraq, Iran and other countries in the Golf area, but you still don’t get it yet how thin
30 Ironminds : Come on, didn't everyone read the memo? Only white folk, Christians and Israelis can be racist! Arabs are excused from any criticism, because of cours
31 Yyz717 : Well said Ironminds.
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