Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5484 posts, RR: 20 Posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2100 times:
What is going to happen to the TWA terminal now that TWA no longer operates out of JFK?? I know that Sun Country, Royal Jordanian, and Air Europe operate out of that terminal, but what are the plans? I heard that New York considers it a historic site, and plan to do nothing to it. I was there in 2000 with Sun Country, and that terminal is the greatest terminal I have ever been to in my life! By the way, is there a memorial or a plaque in the TWA terminal for TWA flight 800?? I could've swore there was.
Skychuck From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1965 times:
A new terminal is to be built AROUND the current terminal, which will be turned into a conference center or an aviation museum. The flight wings will be demolished. The new terminal will be used by JetBlue and United.
Twa747100 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 600 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1881 times:
It indeed is very sad that they are doing this. I would hope that UAL would take over the terminal and jjust upgrade it. I would like to see UAL there because they are a old carrier and they will not put the terminal to shame. The terminal was once a international gateway to anywere, now it's nothing, it would look so cool with anyones 747-400's just chillin at thoses gates . And Did you know that all the Jfk C/A have been either furloughed or sent to STL?
Chautauquasaab From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 101 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1880 times:
I am an architect, and have a lot of personal experience with the designs of Eero Saarinen. As unfortunate as it may be, the requirements and indeed expectations of the travelling public have changed since T5 was designed in the mid-late 1950's. Security requirements and challenged-accessibility issues also make this building difficult to reuse for its original purpose. The flight wings are not absolutely original to the main terminal structure, and as such are not of such historic significance. While wrapping a new T5 around the Saarinen structure is not perfect, it at least preserves the building. It may also allow it to more closely approximate the way the building was at its opening. I miss the huge flight board that soared over the center information desk.
I have heard people characterize the pending proposal as a butterfly pinned to a collector's board. I maintain that that still beats no butterfly at all...
Eero Saarinen is certainly one of the greatest architects of the mid 20th century, and seems underappreciated.
Ezra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 462 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1801 times:
I'd be curious to hear your analysis of the PA Worldport (current Delta terminal 3). I know it's not as celebrated as Saarinen's terminal for its materials -- ie, the emotive use of concrete in the Saarinen building -- but I think that formally and programatically it's as complicated and interesting. Especially in its orientation to the street it anounces itself to a greater extent than Saarinen's terminal, which sits flat as if it had been "plunked down" onto the site.
Also, its treatment of both vehicular and pedestrian traffic is quite unusual. For instance, whereas at the Saarinen building vehicular traffic moves in a linear direction in front of the terminal, at the Worldport it threads through the interstitial spaces between the two components of the terminal, exploring the inner world of the building and engaging with it in a more involved way.
The contrast in pedestrian traffic flow at the two terminal is also bears analysis. At the Saarinen terminal pedestrians move linearly from the street, through the terminal, to the gate. The pedestrian journey at the Worldport is far more labyrinthine -- to the point where passengers often find it difficult to know where, exactly, they are in the terminal (a criticism of the building, perhaps, but interesting nonetheless). In all, I think the intertwined pedestrian and vehicular travel routes makes for a more experential journey from the car or bus to the plane at the Worldport than at Saarinen's terminal. Though not analogous to flight the way Saarinen's building is, it remains interesting on its own merits.
Just some thoughts. I'd be really interested in your opinions.
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5484 posts, RR: 20 Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1778 times:
That's great, I am very happy to hear that it won't be torn down. It's just sad, because last year I was in the terminal and it was operating at full potential and looking fine. I really liked that terminal, with the huge bridges to cross, and the huge flight board with the huge windows. Has anyone been to the terminal?? I ate at that little snack center that is upstairs, and that was amazing. It's sad that I will no longer walk through there pulling my luggage. ;-(
Dasa From East Timor, joined Aug 2001, 760 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1764 times:
I agree, I love the TWA terminal at JFK.... A while back I found a diagram of what the new proposed terminal around the TWA terminal would look like... I'm looking for it now, if anyone else knows of it, can u plz post it...?
Chautauquasaab From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 101 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1751 times:
The last time I was through the old Worldport was just before Pan Am's Pacific Division was sold to United. I was on my way to NRT on one of the old 747SP's...
As to the building, I completely agree with your analysis. It is a confusing building to say the least.
Being dumped in the center area of the terminal is disorienting, and it always seemed airless and lightless somehow. I think the original circular portion of the terminal is neat in a mid-century modern way. Do you recall who designed the screen at the street? I would hope that things like that would be saved and perhaps incorporated into areas of the new terminal.
Sadly, maintenance was lacking at the Worldport in those days.
The old "nose-in" system for the gates was certainly different. I suppose the roof-top parking is no longer used for security reasons.
While I am occasionally in and out of NYC, I seldom find myself at JFK. With the proliferation of other international gateways, particularly ORD or CVG in my case, JFK is not convenient for me.
Fly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3133 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1741 times:
I was referring to the original (round/oval) part of the Worldport, the trapezoid one probably has little value.
It is a luxury to preserve airport buildings for sentimental reasons, but when it adds goodwill, it may make sense. One scenario I heard was that when T4 is further expanded (lengthening the two concourse), Delta may move into the one closer to the Worldport, and then redevelop T2 and T3.
Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been...