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The TWA Terminal At JFK  
User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 18
Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

What is going to happen to the TWA terminal now that TWA no longer operates out of JFK?? I know that Sun Country, Royal Jordanian, and Air Europe operate out of that terminal, but what are the plans? I heard that New York considers it a historic site, and plan to do nothing to it. I was there in 2000 with Sun Country, and that terminal is the greatest terminal I have ever been to in my life! By the way, is there a memorial or a plaque in the TWA terminal for TWA flight 800?? I could've swore there was.

Continental

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User currently offlinePSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Any word on whats going on around it right now? I'm guessing its a ghost town. Anyone been to JFK since last week?

User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Royal Jordanian has moved to Terminal 2/3. Departures out of 2, Arrivals at 3.


User currently offlineSkychuck From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

A new terminal is to be built AROUND the current terminal, which will be turned into a conference center or an aviation museum. The flight wings will be demolished. The new terminal will be used by JetBlue and United.


User currently offlinePANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Terminal 5 is completely closed.

AirEuropa and Royal Jordanian had moved operations to Terminal 3 at the beginning of the summer. SunCountry also no longer operates from T5, they just recently moved to T4 (JFK-IAT).

Jrlander,
It's possible your thinking of Saudi Arabian, all of Royal Jordanian's operations are at Delta's T3.

Airlines that depart from T2:
Air Jamaica
Delta Air Lines
Grupo Taca/LACSA
Malev Hungarian
Saudi Arabian

JM, TA, LR, MA, and SV all arrive at Area A and C at Terminal 2.

Port Authority of NY & NJ
Kennedy. LaGuardia. Newark.
Your Airports. Reimagined.


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

I heard that the flightwings will be saved and that the terminal will be merged with T6. It will most likely loose it's abiltiy to servce planes.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3162 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2422 times:
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While it is a shame that it will no longer be used for its original purpose, it's at least good that it will be preserved!
And what about the original part of the Pan Am Worldport?

Konstantin


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User currently offlineMD From Finland, joined Oct 2001, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

EERO SAARINEN: which has desing TWA terminal. Big grin
Finland RULEZ!!!

Sorry my worst English. Big grin



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User currently offlineTwa747100 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

It indeed is very sad that they are doing this. I would hope that UAL would take over the terminal and jjust upgrade it. I would like to see UAL there because they are a old carrier and they will not put the terminal to shame. The terminal was once a international gateway to anywere, now it's nothing, it would look so cool with anyones 747-400's just chillin at thoses gates . And Did you know that all the Jfk C/A have been either furloughed or sent to STL?


User currently offlineChautauquasaab From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

I am an architect, and have a lot of personal experience with the designs of Eero Saarinen. As unfortunate as it may be, the requirements and indeed expectations of the travelling public have changed since T5 was designed in the mid-late 1950's. Security requirements and challenged-accessibility issues also make this building difficult to reuse for its original purpose. The flight wings are not absolutely original to the main terminal structure, and as such are not of such historic significance. While wrapping a new T5 around the Saarinen structure is not perfect, it at least preserves the building. It may also allow it to more closely approximate the way the building was at its opening. I miss the huge flight board that soared over the center information desk.
I have heard people characterize the pending proposal as a butterfly pinned to a collector's board. I maintain that that still beats no butterfly at all...
Eero Saarinen is certainly one of the greatest architects of the mid 20th century, and seems underappreciated.


User currently offlineBove From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

The PanAm Worldport is finished as Delta are knocking it down to create a new billion dollar concourse-style terminal.

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2362 times:

The PA worldport is comming down early next year. DL wants it's new terminal as the worldport is inadequet and the airline wants to expand at JFK. They really want to be New York's airline.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2348 times:
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Sad to say, but Delta's facilities at JFK suck a**. I'm glad they'll demolish that rubbish heap.

User currently offlineNWA757300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

The TWA terminal is considered a historical landmark and therefore very little could ever be done with it. I'm sure American has inherited from TWA. Maybe it will become another CR Smith Museum.

User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

After the Worldport is torn down, where will Delta operate during construction of their new terminal?


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User currently offlineEzra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Chautauquasaab-

I'd be curious to hear your analysis of the PA Worldport (current Delta terminal 3). I know it's not as celebrated as Saarinen's terminal for its materials -- ie, the emotive use of concrete in the Saarinen building -- but I think that formally and programatically it's as complicated and interesting. Especially in its orientation to the street it anounces itself to a greater extent than Saarinen's terminal, which sits flat as if it had been "plunked down" onto the site.

Also, its treatment of both vehicular and pedestrian traffic is quite unusual. For instance, whereas at the Saarinen building vehicular traffic moves in a linear direction in front of the terminal, at the Worldport it threads through the interstitial spaces between the two components of the terminal, exploring the inner world of the building and engaging with it in a more involved way.

The contrast in pedestrian traffic flow at the two terminal is also bears analysis. At the Saarinen terminal pedestrians move linearly from the street, through the terminal, to the gate. The pedestrian journey at the Worldport is far more labyrinthine -- to the point where passengers often find it difficult to know where, exactly, they are in the terminal (a criticism of the building, perhaps, but interesting nonetheless). In all, I think the intertwined pedestrian and vehicular travel routes makes for a more experential journey from the car or bus to the plane at the Worldport than at Saarinen's terminal. Though not analogous to flight the way Saarinen's building is, it remains interesting on its own merits.

Just some thoughts. I'd be really interested in your opinions.

Thanks,

Ezra.


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

That's great, I am very happy to hear that it won't be torn down. It's just sad, because last year I was in the terminal and it was operating at full potential and looking fine. I really liked that terminal, with the huge bridges to cross, and the huge flight board with the huge windows. Has anyone been to the terminal?? I ate at that little snack center that is upstairs, and that was amazing. It's sad that I will no longer walk through there pulling my luggage. ;-(

User currently offlineDasa From East Timor, joined Aug 2001, 760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

I agree, I love the TWA terminal at JFK.... A while back I found a diagram of what the new proposed terminal around the TWA terminal would look like... I'm looking for it now, if anyone else knows of it, can u plz post it...?

User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

747buff- good question.. I wonder where they will move, if they still plan to build the new one.. they've cut back so much in JFK I just can't imagine them spending all that money on it right now.

User currently offlineChautauquasaab From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Ezra-

The last time I was through the old Worldport was just before Pan Am's Pacific Division was sold to United. I was on my way to NRT on one of the old 747SP's...
As to the building, I completely agree with your analysis. It is a confusing building to say the least.
Being dumped in the center area of the terminal is disorienting, and it always seemed airless and lightless somehow. I think the original circular portion of the terminal is neat in a mid-century modern way. Do you recall who designed the screen at the street? I would hope that things like that would be saved and perhaps incorporated into areas of the new terminal.
Sadly, maintenance was lacking at the Worldport in those days.
The old "nose-in" system for the gates was certainly different. I suppose the roof-top parking is no longer used for security reasons.
While I am occasionally in and out of NYC, I seldom find myself at JFK. With the proliferation of other international gateways, particularly ORD or CVG in my case, JFK is not convenient for me.
Cheers!


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3162 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2242 times:
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I was referring to the original (round/oval) part of the Worldport, the trapezoid one probably has little value.
It is a luxury to preserve airport buildings for sentimental reasons, but when it adds goodwill, it may make sense. One scenario I heard was that when T4 is further expanded (lengthening the two concourse), Delta may move into the one closer to the Worldport, and then redevelop T2 and T3.

Konstantin



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