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AA To Reduce 777-200 J Class  
User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21493 times:

The first 4 777-200s will go into the hangar in October to be reconfigured. The original plan was to have 45 business class seats, the company had decided to further reduce this number to 37 (36 for sale). MCE will be reduced to 36 and the balance will be 209 regular economy seats for a total of 282.

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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4895 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21253 times:
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Interesting....thanks for the update. Now it will be similar to Delta's recently reconfigured 777s: 37J + 36 Econ Comfort + 218Y = 291 seats total.

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21043 times:

AA want to act strong in terms of superior J class, but you don't want to hobble your CASM permanently. A few more Y seats will help the whole airline over decades. It sounds like DL has 1 more row of Y. Thinking across 50 airplanes and 15 years, the AA 777 refurbishment is a huge important project.

User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21047 times:

I'm curious I assume the two seats not for sale are for Tech crew rest - Does this impact the sector length these aircraft can be sent on? Or is it a simpler and cheaper way of not carrying the weight around of a proper tech crew rest facility? Strange question but what if there is a crying baby in J? This would impact the crew rest, or is passenger noise and disturbance an assessed risk?

Do these seats have curtains around them like cabin crew rest seats in Economy?


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20958 times:

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 3):
I'm curious I assume the two seats not for sale are for Tech crew rest - Does this impact the sector length these aircraft can be sent on? Or is it a simpler and cheaper way of not carrying the weight around of a proper tech crew rest facility? Strange question but what if there is a crying baby in J? This would impact the crew rest, or is passenger noise and disturbance an assessed risk?

Do these seats have curtains around them like cabin crew rest seats in Economy?

Its only one on the new configuration which will be 1-2-1 in J. The 777 200s of AA never had a separate "crew rest area" like the 777W. It does have bunks, but there is no where to eat or sit in a seat, just a buck. I guess the cost of retrofitting it would be prohibitive. Perhaps is AA gets anymore -200s (which I doubt) they can be ordered with a proper rest area.

What will drive a crew rest seat to be blocked is anything over 8hrs IIRC.


User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20930 times:

Wow, from 45 to 37. That's a large drop in premium capacity once again. . . I believe AA 777s only have 37 seats in their J class now. So this is basically like taking out F capacity and not replacing any of it...I would think 41 would have been a happier medium so they could replace a bit of that lost F cabin.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
The first 4 777-200s will go into the hangar in October to be reconfigured.

Bloody hell. First they said winter 2014 then August and now it is October...This refurbishment is going to take forever.



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User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20904 times:

It explains why AA's plan to put updated 772 on DFW-SCL from this month has been deferred.

I'm afraid it "may" mean that previously planned several 3-3-3 seats of economy class (not MCE) at the middle section on updated 772 will no longer there. All Y "may" be now fair in size with 3-4-3 seating. Just my guess.


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20892 times:

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 5):
First they said winter 2014 then August and now it is October...This refurbishment is going to take forever.

It was pushed back as the configuration was being re-evaluated. Don't think it will take that long as they will due 4 at a time, starting in Oct...Other changes will also be, no walk up snack bar as originally planned. The 777W has it but I would guess if the -200 won't get it the -300 will eventually lose it.

Nothing said, but if I was a betting man I would bet that the 777W will eventually lose F as well


User currently onlineJetblue1965 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20819 times:

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 6):

I'm afraid it "may" mean that previously planned several 3-3-3 seats of economy class (not MCE) at the middle section on updated 772 will no longer there. All Y "may" be now fair in size with 3-4-3 seating. Just my guess.

I think 3-3-3 MCE will stay for now, but it's still a massive reduction from 85 MCE seats and aligning with their 77W practice

The only good thing is that CASM will see a good 10% reduction.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4895 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20787 times:
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Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 6):
I'm afraid it "may" mean that previously planned several 3-3-3 seats of economy class (not MCE) at the middle section on updated 772 will no longer there. All Y "may" be now fair in size with 3-4-3 seating. Just my guess

I think it will remain as 3-3-3 in all of Y as the number of MCE+Y seats is similar to Delta's 777s, which remain at 3-3-3 throughout Y.


User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20736 times:

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 8):
I think 3-3-3 MCE will stay for now, but it's still a massive reduction from 85 MCE seats and aligning with their 77W practice
Quoting panamair (Reply 9):
I think it will remain as 3-3-3 in all of Y as the number of MCE+Y seats is similar to Delta's 777s, which remain at 3-3-3 throughout Y.

No, what I'm afraid is that in this initial plan:

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ame...ican_Airlines_Boeing_777-200_B.php

which were uploaded on DFW-SCL route, it has 4 rows of blessed 3-3-3 Y and all others are 3-4-3. It made sense when they had only 4 rows of Y, but now with 8-9 rows of Y in the same section, AA may put all of them as 3-4-3. MCE will stay 3-3-3.


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32694 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20663 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 7):
Other changes will also be, no walk up snack bar as originally planned.

Why? It uses space that is otherwise unused; it's not like it takes up seat space.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7549 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20624 times:

This is a huge blessing for AA's Asia network.

AA's routes to China as well as DFW-ICN are in dire need of a less premium, higher capacity, plane that can make these routes profitable (or at least lose less money). The crowne jewel of AA's Asia network, DFW-NRT, will eventually go to a 77W. Also, the 77W I think will show to be too large for DFW-HKG. A 77L would have been ideal, but since those are not in AA's future, I think a 789 should do the trick.



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User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1056 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20604 times:

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 5):
Wow, from 45 to 37. That's a large drop in premium capacity once again. . . I believe AA 777s only have 37 seats in their J class now. So this is basically like taking out F capacity and not replacing any of it...I would think 41 would have been a happier medium so they could replace a bit of that lost F cabin.

Makes one wonder if 16 was the number of upgrades on average per flight. (16 F and 37J is the current configuration.)

International upgrades are going to get more and more scarce. That may be a good thing overall.

[Edited 2014-06-13 10:36:24]

User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3905 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20434 times:

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 3):

I'm curious I assume the two seats not for sale are for Tech crew rest - Does this impact the sector length these aircraft can be sent on? Or is it a simpler and cheaper way of not carrying the weight around of a proper tech crew rest facility? Strange question but what if there is a crying baby in J? This would impact the crew rest, or is passenger noise and disturbance an assessed risk?

I'm not entirely sure, but I would imagine AA also has proper bunk facilities for their pilot rest. The seats have to be blocked on longer flights to give the resting pilot a place to eat and relax, if they don't want to sleep. On flights where a 3rd or 4th pilot isn't required, such as flights less than 8 hours, they can sell the seats. And absolutely cabin noise affects the rest of that pilot.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7483 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 20082 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):
The crowne jewel of AA's Asia network, DFW-NRT

I thought that honor went to DFW-HKG .



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User currently onlineJetblue1965 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19999 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
I thought that honor went to DFW-HKG .

By plane type, yes. But DFW-NRT is proven profitable route for decades while DFW-HKG is a brand new unknown entity.


User currently offline777stl From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3609 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19934 times:

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 14):
I'm not entirely sure, but I would imagine AA also has proper bunk facilities for their pilot rest.

That's correct, all flavors of the 777 in AA's fleet have a cockpit crew bunk room behind the cockpit.



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User currently offlineJDAirCEO From Uruguay, joined Jan 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19803 times:

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 11):

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 7):
Other changes will also be, no walk up snack bar as originally planned.

Why? It uses space that is otherwise unused; it's not like it takes up seat space.

That is unfortunate. The 772s were supposed to be identical to the 77Ws in J and Y in every aspect of the plane. Including the bar, mood lighting, bulkhead and floor coverings, lavs... They have also eliminated the new first class glass ware and place-mats that were introduced last year.

I've heard from quite a few friends at HDQ that AA is becoming USAirways and these changes only seem to confirm that. I suspect F on the 77W and A321T is not long for this world.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7549 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19583 times:

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 16):
By plane type, yes. But DFW-NRT is proven profitable route for decades while DFW-HKG is a brand new unknown entity.

Yes sir, thats exactly what I was referencing.

If I were a betting man, I would wager that its AA's only consistantly profitable route. That said, I think the newly configured 777 will do wonders for DFW-ICN and flights to China. This could be what AA needs to turn it around in Asia.



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User currently onlineJetblue1965 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19539 times:

Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 18):
I've heard from quite a few friends at HDQ that AA is becoming USAirways and these changes only seem to confirm that. I suspect F on the 77W and A321T is not long for this world.

They'll keep F in A321T, but definitely scaled down. Today's config might lead to an oversupply.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8325 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 19312 times:
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Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 18):
That is unfortunate. The 772s were supposed to be identical to the 77Ws in J and Y in every aspect of the plane. Including the bar, mood lighting, bulkhead and floor coverings, lavs... They have also eliminated the new first class glass ware and place-mats that were introduced last year.

Welcome to the "Usairways effect" at the new AA. Making 777-300ER any les premuim is a mistake. Their routes to LHR, GRU, HKG and soon NRT need a the new J class.


User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18155 times:

I recall reading an investor analyst note that said AA was losing a KILLING on all of these premium-heavy routes and it was doing this to protect "network revenue". While people bash USAirways, they have had very IMPRESSIVE returns to the investors, which at the end of the day, is what counts. Scott Kirby knows how to make a buck, and their team will be making even more changes at AA. While we may chastise them, we don't know the true story as to how the books look.


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User currently offlineExL10Mktg From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17854 times:

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 20):
They'll keep F in A321T, but definitely scaled down. Today's config might lead to an oversupply.

I love the doom and gloom over AA's F product on here. Transcon F's load factor is around 90%. It's not going anywhere.


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32694 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17533 times:

Quoting ExL10Mktg (Reply 23):
Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 20):They'll keep F in A321T, but definitely scaled down. Today's config might lead to an oversupply.
I love the doom and gloom over AA's F product on here. Transcon F's load factor is around 90%. It's not going anywhere.

Those F seats can be replaced by 8-12 J seats and another 30-36 Y seats. That's a far more profitable configuration.



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25 Jetblue1965 : I don't track loading day in and day out, but whenever I search for awards, the calendar consistently shows saver F > saver J for the LAX transcon
26 LAXdude1023 : In the future I think we will see the 77W only on NRT, GRU, and LHR. The other routes don't really need the F cabins.
27 PDPsol : I do agree with you on this, especially considering NRT = JL, GRU = JJ/TAM, LHR = BA partners. However, HKG could be a potential high-yield market as
28 flyingcaT : Means nothing if bulk of that capacity is up fares and complimentary upgrades.
29 Mah4546 : AA does not sell upfare 3-class F. It also does not allow complimentary upgrades unless a business fare was purchased and the traveler has SWUs to us
30 Jetblue1965 : If it's truly 90% then they should be adding even more seats since that's the LF range of "leaving money on the table"
31 oc2dc : I had always heard they don't upgrade from J to F. Thank you for confirming. I'm struggling to see why they would eliminate the walk up bar....
32 JoePatroni707 : Added cost with no value or return on investment. Install a thin bulkhead wall in its place and add more seats.
33 PIEAvantiP180 : Mah4546 don't take what I'm about to say as an attack but I have a question regarding some recent opinions of yours regarding revenue and premium cust
34 Post contains links TPA0822 : A little background on what DL is doing and why AA may be doing the same thing. http://upgrd.com/blogs/doublewidesfl...ness-elite-seats-on-b777-b767.h
35 PDX88 : Did you see somewhere on Jetnet that they would remove the walk up bar? Unless i see an official report i remain skeptical. I'm not saying you're wro
36 cv990coronado : Maybe they are just trying to get the J seating more in line with the number of passenger who are prepared to pay for J. Not good news for FFQ's but i
37 jayunited : I guess it doesn't matter which airline you fly on what is obvious is it is becoming more and more difficult for FF's to upgrade into the premium cabi
38 Smi0006 : I don't know about AA, but with the NZ and QF walk up bars, they are more about the usage of bench space. Most of the space in the area is used for ca
39 jfk777 : The A321 T serve the most special market in the AA system, why would USair mangers feel that having more y class seats fro JFK to LAX/SFO be better ?
40 ckfred : Let's remember that a lot of F seats are bought by banks/financial firms and movie studios/television networks/record labels for bigwigs and talent.
41 uberflieger : Not asking you to reveal your source, but do you know for sure these are American's finalized plans? The reduction in C & Y+ seats would not surp
42 N62NA : This is going to be interesting on the MIA-LAX-MIA run where the 772 is used. Currently they sell it as F / J / Y. Just last week I flew on a purchase
43 questions : How can DL configure the aircraft with more seats given similar J and Y+ when DL has 3-3-3 Y and AA has 3-4-3 Y. It would seem AA could stuff more se
44 questions : RE reduction in J and Y+, are DL and AA selling less premium seats or has the strategy of providing upgrades to elites changed?
45 N62NA : Could be because AA is keeping the flight attendants rest "room" with the bunks in the middle of the cabin just in front of door 3?
46 Post contains images OB1504 : I hope they do. They were selling the 3-3-3 rows as Preferred Seats with standard legroom, but they were also selling the seats in the forward portio
47 JoePatroni707 : They reviewed this past week at the ALC conference in Dallas.
48 avi8 : Wow, 4 aircraft will go into mods in October? I'm surprised they have this amount of slack in the fleet. But then again, October is a slow month. I'm
49 jayunited : Aircraft schedulers will know what aircraft have been converted and what aircraft have not. When the conversions first start AA will limit the routes
50 Post contains images N62NA : Thanks for that, a very detailed and informative explanation.
51 flyfree727 : on 4/6/14, an "update" on the 777-200 plan was published on jetnet for AA employees. This plan included the walk up bar, and includes "sneak peek" ph
52 JoePatroni707 : That was two months ago, you were not at the ALC this week? This is why the whole program has been delayed.
53 uberflieger : Dude, what's the ALC? The reduction in premium seats does not surprise me and is a clear indication American is planning to follow DL & UA and ma
54 LDVAviation : Is that your opinion or what you read or heard? The walk-up bar is in a passageway. You can't take up the same space with seats. There would be no wa
55 user444555 : Has anyone figured out why DL is 3-3-3 and shows more Y seats? Do they have more rows? Does AA have narrower seats but more legroom due to reduced amo
56 JoePatroni707 : Annual leadership conference..... But a thinner bulkhead could be installed and move the seats approx 1' further forward.
57 AAAL : Indeed, it was announced at ALC along with the rest of the fleet. Additionally, it was hinted an announcement with more connect the dots routes very s
58 Post contains images uberflieger : A company internal affair? I just know it's all about MIA
59 JoePatroni707 : Cool Aid convention! And after that a booze fest!
60 Post contains images uberflieger : And we all know Parker loves to party
61 qf002 : Not if that space is going to be galley/storage space anyway. The carts that are stored below the bench still have to go somewhere, as does the booze
62 questions : Anyone?
63 aajfksjubklyn : This is bad news. Here we go with the parkerization of AA. Pathetic. This man has no skill in running an airline. A real airline. Sad
64 LAXdude1023 : Im sorry, but rubbish. He did a really good job running US.
65 Jetblue1965 : AA's cirrus seat is also quite space consuming DL fits 37 J with only 3 rows past door 2. AA needs 4 rows past door 2. AA's MCE is up to 37" legroom
66 user444555 : That probably explains it thanks.
67 questions : Thanks!
68 Mah4546 : Not quite because the 772 has a new product, not Cirrus.
69 AAplat4life : An indication that the DFW routes to the new Asian markets will not sell well in premium and that the new AA cannot make it as a premium airline? Too
70 LAXdude1023 : Its more of an indication, that all of AA's routes to China and DFW-ICN don't sell many seats in F. Both have no problem selling seats in J. The only
71 washingtonflyer : I'm sorry. Perhaps I am a little sleepy this morning. Did AA acquire US or was it US that acquired AA (while AA was in bankruptcy)?
72 Post contains images OB1504 : Doug Parker is a shrewd man and knows how to make the most out of the hand he's dealt. He did what he did with US because that was really all there i
73 washingtonflyer : Sorta like how HP and US "merged", right? To wit: "The deal is essentially a purchase of AMR by US Airways, as US Air shareholders will receive a shar
74 ripcordd : It's not that they cant sell F to ASIA I think F vs J there is very very little difference btwn the 2 anymore and for a couple thousand more it's real
75 usairways85 : Exactly. US airlines closed the gap between F & J so much so that there is not much difference. Then foreign carriers (especially in Asia) made F
76 washingtonflyer : Thats the issue. J Class is the new F class and Y+ is the new J class. Y class is still steerage.
77 skyone : I am with you, and think the same thing happens to AA routes to Europe and South American. For Asia, those seem to be routes that need a more balance
78 washingtonflyer : Mind you also that with the introduction of the 332s and 333s, AA will have additional flexibility to run different seating configs on different route
79 Post contains images MaverickM11 : This is how it starts! Soon we'll be remembering how great AA's J seat (never) was on the 777/767. Bring on the rose colored clown glasses
80 Aacun : There is no truth to the rumor that the stand up bar is going away on the 777-200. Just got confirmation on our internal website that plans are still
81 JDAirCEO : Just to be clear since its the main topic of this thread. Was it confirmed at the leadership conference? The 777-200s will be reduced in J and the bar
82 oc2dc : That's a relief. Thanks for sharing.
83 Flighty : The Parkerization of AA is exactly what investors and employees should dream of. Customers, well, still up in the air on that one. Parker is flexible
84 Mah4546 : The new airline is majority controlled by ex-AA, but US management mostly at the helm, although in-flight services, customer relations and frequent f
85 user444555 : I really really hope you are right. With 3-4-3 in Y anything that makes these planes a little more premium is welcome IMO.
86 777stl : Of course, a walk up bar in J/F won't do the person stuck back in that 3-4-3 much good so it'll suck just as much as it would have otherwise.
87 Post contains images user444555 : I was referring to the possibility that J Class will remain at 45 seats. I should have been more clear. My bad.
88 Jetblue1965 : Bloggers who reached out to AA are saying even MCE will go 3-4-3 ... that's a big minus for mid tier elites stuck in the back
89 miaami : Its not as bad as you make it out to be. I've flown the 777-300 several times and no ones complaining, quite the opposite.[Edited 2014-06-18 15:30:15
90 Jetblue1965 : Still a downgrade from 3-3-3 MCE nonetheless "It's for profitability" blah blah ... we heard the sales pitch before[Edited 2014-06-18 16:55:35]
91 LAXdude1023 : Do you have confirmation of that or just fanning some flames?
92 Post contains links Jetblue1965 : Do some homework before accusing boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2014/06/18/american-reducing-777-200-business-class-cabins/
93 DFWguy81 : I'm surprised that GRU F demand is in the same league as NRT and LHR. Not disputing your facts, just curious what drives that and whether it's always
94 Mah4546 : Wealthy Latins. Same thing that drives EZE F demand; and that's always been the case with both markets, nothing new.
95 Jetblue1965 : For a country on the brink of defaulting.... Again.... I'm not sure how that would affect F loads
96 skyone : Just a thought: "all latinamerican banks have branches in Miami. bankers, specially Executive VPs and CEOs fly confirmed F, when they are not flying
97 OB1504 : And a big inconsistency compared to the 3-3-3 MCE section in the 77W. Hasn't defaulted yet, so we'll cross that bridge when/if we get to it.
98 LAXdude1023 : Thats a blog, not confirmation.
99 AA767400 : And since a blogger posted it, it's got to be fact. Why would they configure 12-20 in a certain configuration - to then later change it to another? A
100 SCL767 : That blog is not accurate! According to the link you provided the blog states that AA's current 777-200 a/c feature "190 Economy Class seats, in a 3-
101 Mah4546 : Because they can keep both configurations long-term, one for premium markets and one for not-so premium markets. The "hi-J" 772 is great for Dallas t
102 ozark1 : Incorrect on the in-flight services. Definitely from US.
103 Post contains images Deltal1011man : I'm sorry what? US has been profitable for a while. American has been a money pit. Yeah, Parker is the idiot. I bet you think Smisek is a hell of a C
104 Mah4546 : Could have sworn the guy leading it came from AA. Odd since "in flight service" isn't in the US Airways vernacular; we still don't know if Doug Parke
105 panamair : Hector Adler has pretty much been through most of the major airlines...he started out as an FA for AA, but since then had gone on to inflight managem
106 Jetblue1965 : Ignore it all you want. That blogger is one of the most reputable ones who also happens to be AAEXP himself. He has no incentive to post negative thi
107 Jetblue1965 : One typo on the blog entry so that invalidates the whole post ? Then I guess you should ignore CNN using criteria like that. Oh right, forgot someone
108 LAXdude1023 : Why? We don't know whats going to happen with regards to it. A blog is NOT confirmation of anything. I can start a blog that anything and everything
109 Jetblue1965 : I see your double standards here. A highly reputable blog is not a confirmation, but when the OP of this thread posted something without citation or
110 LAXdude1023 : My double standards???? I don't believe anything without direct confirmation from the airline. A.net is, for the most part, a hashing of ideas and th
111 Jetblue1965 : What "confirmation" would you expect for a change like this? A press release and a social media campaign to publicize a smaller cabin and smaller sea
112 LAXdude1023 : I will keep waiting. A seat map on the airlines website or a seat map made available for the booking of flights.
113 LAXintl : AA CFO Derek Kerr at yesterdays leadership conference mentioned the reason the AA 777s are getting reconfigured is they are the "lowest margin aircraf
114 AA767400 : I understand that part Mark. What wasn't making sense is starting the original plan, and then switching it up down the line. In your argument - they
115 777stl : That's sort of the equivalent of saying it has to be true because you read it on Wikipedia. There are exactly 9,864 travel bloggers out there. Most o
116 Jetblue1965 : EXP has nothing to do with it ? 1. He has flown the airline enough to know most of it from a customer's perspective. 2. He's invested enough in an ai
117 oc2dc : To be clear. Do we have confirmation that there will be two different 77E configurations? One being the original 45J and the other being the 37J?
118 LAXdude1023 : Were not clear on anything. So far everything in this thread is speculation...
119 LDVAviation : If he is not "price-sensitive," why is the blogger in question concerned about upgrades on the smaller J-configuration? He spoke to someone at AA. Le
120 miaami : Exactly. In the bloggers post they say that an AA spokesman confirmed the rumor, but don't list the name of the spokesman. I'm still not clear on why
121 Jetblue1965 : I'm relying a rumor that most likely a fact but people are in denial. Which part of this entire thread you think is positive news to the consumer ?
122 miaami : I don't think anyone is in "denial" about anything. If AA is going to change the configuration of the 777-200 once again so be it. I think people wou
123 Jetblue1965 : Keep waiting for a press release for this type of change. I'm sure it's worth publicizing.
124 Post contains links panamair : From the other AA thread about the 787s to Asia, there was this link http://leehamnews.com/2014/06/19/ame...hubbing-returning-to-peak-banking/ The au
125 miaami : I don't mind waiting for accurate information.
126 Post contains links miaami : Some news on the 2 class 777-200. http://airlineroute.net/2014/06/24/aa-dfwscl-sep14/ Also, the walk up bar will remain "an integral part of the 777-2
127 LipeGIG : I think that's a mistake. I know they are looking for more revenue, but it seems to me that they shall have two configurations within the 772 fleet at
128 MaverickM11 : Only the 772s had F and they are apparently "the lowest margin aircraft", used like 80+% on GRU, LHR, NRT, EZE....makes you wonder...
129 AA1818 : Given you're pedantic posts about the walk-up bar disappearing, I would have expected you to apologize by now. Whatever you wish would happen, please
130 AA777223 : I can't believe I'm saying this, especially as a former dyed-in-the-wool AA fan (see my UN), but reading about this config actually makes me happy I'm
131 Jetblue1965 : Nope I never commented about the walk up bar Read before you speak
132 intermodal64 : I must say that if AA goes 3-4-3 in MCE, this will push me away from their overseas flights **with this configuration.** I'm gold on AA and silver on
133 user444555 : I wonder about the coach configuration. If UA and DL are 3-3-3 in economy and keep that configuration, what are some opinions on whether AA will have
134 LipeGIG : This surprises me as many here keep saying these are the high yield markets. But for me make sense...AA 763 with 219 seats probably make more money,
135 miaami : In Economy, Main Cabin Extra layout is 3-3-3, Main Cabin is 3-4-3.
136 PDPsol : UA is still 3-3-3, although everyone appears to be moving to 10-across, dreadful!
137 777stl : You're talking about an Explat like he's some sort of mythical, god like creature. I'm pointing out to you that's typically far from the case. Ok, I'
138 Jetblue1965 : I love how you shoot the messenger when it's bad news. But I won't care how you think because you'll be the one eventually sitting in those seats, no
139 intermodal64 : After AA went 2-5-2 on their DC-10's, others did not follow at first. AA then decided to block the middle seat of the "5" until the others did follow
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