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NL B734 Damaged During Engine Run Up (photos)  
User currently offlinehorstroad From Germany, joined Apr 2010, 361 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 102632 times:

Found some photos on facebook of Shaheen Air International Boeing 737-4Q8 AP-BJR with substential damage on fuselage and horizontal stabilizer due to an engine run up on loose bricks.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/AME.World/posts/10152248845712798

http://picload.org/image/lipgcwo/10494807_10152248843902798_565.jpg
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http://picload.org/image/lipgcip/10273998_10152248845182798_484.jpg
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http://picload.org/image/lipgcwd/10488032_10152248845632798_604.jpg
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http://picload.org/image/lipgcwg/10462629_10152248844142798_636.jpg
http://picload.org/image/lipgcpg/10306319_10152248844487798_118.jpg
http://picload.org/image/lipgcpo/10390125_10152248844102798_723.jpg
http://picload.org/image/lipgcpc/10401969_10152248844797798_749.jpg

Does anyone have some more information? When did this happen? Is this damage repairable (economically sensible)?

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User currently offlinea318 From Bahamas, joined Jan 2008, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 102586 times:

Why on earth would anybody think its a good idea to do an engine run up on a surface like that?!  Wow!


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User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 1252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 102433 times:

And after that could someone explain why it is a good idea to pave an airport ramp with those things?

User currently offlinenotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 984 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 102198 times:

I've been on this earth now for over 50 years and the only thing I can say is, "ignorance is bliss". Live and learn.

User currently offlineideekay From Finland, joined Jun 2012, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 102180 times:

These bricks don't have any cement between them.. thats a wrong way to build an apron..

User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3621 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 102080 times:

Quoting ideekay (Reply 4):
These bricks don't have any cement between them.. thats a wrong way to build an apron..

Its the wrong way to build anything but a cheap back yard patio.


User currently offlinemacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 101937 times:

omg, LMAO...

i just can imagine the face of the guys when they were done with the run.



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 3499 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 101874 times:

I think I never saw an apron made of bricks. The picture with all the stones on the stabilizer made me laugh.

User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 9185 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 101882 times:

Which airport is this please.

User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 101846 times:

Block paving is very common at airports. All over Heathrow and Gatwick. It works fine when its built correctly but if it's not maintained well then that happens.

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4636 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 101759 times:
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Quoting bennett123 (Reply 8):
Which airport is this please.

Sialkot international Airport -Pakistan


User currently offlinekraz911 From United States of America, joined May 2014, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 101391 times:

I would have hated to be standing behind this aircraft when the pavers were flying. I snickered at the "stack" job on the horizontal stab! I once saw sheets of asphalt flying during an engine run-up but mechanic standing off the nose contacted the cockpit guys and the power was cut preventing any damage. Hopefully the damage can be repaired rather quickly and no one was hurt but I think it's safe to say high power engine run-ups will be discontinued on this type of surface at this airport at least...Can you imagine if they were running up both engines? Oh the humanity!!!

[Edited 2014-06-19 15:15:23]

User currently offlineBreninTW From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 2005 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 100882 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 7):
I think I never saw an apron made of bricks.

HKG's apron is brick, not concrete.


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 100791 times:

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 9):
Block paving is very common at airports. All over Heathrow and Gatwick. It works fine when its built correctly but if it's not maintained well then that happens

There is a profound difference between thrust need to taxi and a stationary full power run up.

Some airports have a concrete pad with a blast fence to deflect the air velocity along with the noise created for full power run ups.

Okie


User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 100703 times:

Very impressive pictures. But this is the third world, don't forget. Do you want to fly them or other airlines from the non developed world? This is not the only place in which they cut corners!

User currently offlineTigerguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 100598 times:

Quoting traindoc (Reply 14):
But this is the third world, don't forget. Do you want to fly them or other airlines from the non developed world? This is not the only place in which they cut corners!

Because "first world" airlines have never cut corners, right?   



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User currently offlinemastermis From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2008, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 100214 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 7):
I think I never saw an apron made of bricks

GCM apron is also paving stones just like that. BA's 767 (biggest plane we get) has never had any issues.


User currently offlineTrentXWB From India, joined Sep 2008, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 95761 times:

The horizontal stabilizer with the bricks on top takes the cake. I couldn't control my laughter seeing that.
These bricks do not seem to have any binding material in between or below them. It's asking for disaster if you try to do an engine run up on a surface like that IMHO.

[Edited 2014-06-20 00:20:00]


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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 4540 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 95238 times:

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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 2155 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 94940 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 7):
I think I never saw an apron made of bricks. The picture with all the stones on the stabilizer made me laugh.

At least until recently there was part of the ramp around LHR T1 made of brick. And yeah I had to laugh too at that picture!

Martijn



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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 94262 times:

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 19):
At least until recently there was part of the ramp around LHR T1 made of brick

It's still there. Pier 4A where Aer Lingus use is all block paving. All of Southampton Airport's apron is block paving as is a whole pier at Glasgow.

Block paving is surprisingly capable, cost effective and quick to construct. As I mentioned before if it's not looked after we see exactly what happened there in Pakistan. It is generally not recommended to construct aircraft pavements in blocks where it is subjected to high thrust. Have a look at this link and go to paragraph 3 http://www.sept.org/techpapers/1349.pdf


User currently offlinePart147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 94043 times:

I bet it was the pesky ground-hugging, minimal-clearance, low-slung, 737 engine that made it much worse!  

Stunning pictures that will be a fantastic addition to my Human Factors training materials!



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User currently offlineSuperSix2 From Ireland, joined Jun 2014, 84 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 93210 times:

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 20):
Pier 4A where Aer Lingus use is all block paving

As in Pier E? Never heard of Pier 4A, unless they have re-designated the piers?

oops, my mistake, i somehow thought you were referring to DUB...  Sad

[Edited 2014-06-20 03:26:33]

User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2626 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 93078 times:

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 20):
It's still there. Pier 4A where Aer Lingus use is all block paving. All of Southampton Airport's apron is block paving as is a whole pier at Glasgow.

Block paving is surprisingly capable, cost effective and quick to construct. As I mentioned before if it's not looked after we see exactly what happened there in Pakistan. It is generally not recommended to construct aircraft pavements in blocks where it is subjected to high thrust. Have a look at this link and go to paragraph 3 http://www.sept.org/techpapers/1349.pdf

But is there mortar holding the blocks together at Glasgow and Southampton?

I just can't imagine using dry-fit patio variety pavers for an airport apron as shown.....



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User currently offlinetxlbased From Germany, joined Oct 2013, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 93033 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 18):
The horizontal stabilizer with the bricks on top takes the cake. I couldn't control my laughter seeing that.


just my words!

Now that´s quite a sight! i never have seen anything like that before!



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25 Post contains images N14AZ : NL should reconsider their fleet planning and evaluate the VFW614. There are still some airframes in museums...
26 flylku : Why would an airport ever have a surface like that?!
27 LH526 : Cheap, fast, easy to repair, good drainage ....
28 Aer Lingus : No need for mortar and its exactly like your dry fit patio pavers (albeit with a concrete or sometimes asphalt base underneath). That's the beauty of
29 Post contains links ChaosTheory : Funnily enough, you could be right. Whilst a different surface, I recall a BA 737 suffered extensive damage after stepping on the brakes and advancin
30 DTWPurserBoy : There have been enough US carriers that have managed to destroy airplanes on the ground. NW totally wrecked an A319 at LGA some years ago by running i
31 mjoelnir : I would say that there are good reasons to go to a "power box" for engine run ups, or do it on the runway.
32 dynamo12 : This was sort of a very physical wind tunnel test. We can see where air flowed and bricks accumulated. Seems an expense way to test it though! Yowks t
33 DIJKKIJK : I think they are very lucky that the bricks in the front of the engine didn't come off and get sucked it. That repair would have been *very* expensive
34 NC1844V : Don't see that every day. Just shows the power that these aircraft have, even be it a 734. Could have been a lot worse.
35 Post contains images Western727 :
36 goosebayguy : I'm a little confused. Surely someone was on the long lead directing the ground run? This looks as though that didn't happen. Or the guy was looking e
37 DIJKKIJK : Which probably explains the cobbled tarmac. I don't think that airport gets much jet traffic.
38 737tdi : It is quite rare that we would have a mech. on a headset. When doing trim runs on the CFM56-3 we have a run truck go with us to the run pad but they
39 planesmart : Perhaps it was my backyard. I can see weedmatting under the bricks. Will be interesting to see how many battle scars the plane still carries after bei
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