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55 New Planes For Qantas  
User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

15 new narrowbodies and 40 options, either 737NG or A320. The winner of the contract will be announced next week.

So, given that we are prone to crazy, heated, maybe unproductive but generally highly entertaining speculation.....
which do you think it will be?!!!!


It is not enough to be rude; one must also be incorrect.
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User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

If they're lined up to get 330s, would seem like 73Gs might be a bit of a reach. But who knows, maybe some other as-yet-unknown considerations.

User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

737-800s are a near certainty. How can QF get all the infrastructure in place to operate A320s at a rate of 2/month from January 2002? Impossible. The simulator training required for 733/4-738 is very minor and QF's engineering is already ramping up for 737NGs for the RAAF and federal Gov't.
Much easier to integrate 738s into the fleet at a faster rate than A320s and much cheaper. The CCQ b/w the A320/330 is not an issue here. Boeing can get 738s to QF faster and probably cheaper than Airbus can get A320s to the airline.
Another time,another place and the A320 could have definitely one. Fate will hand this one to the 738.

Dale.


User currently offlineRmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

About 3 weeks a go an ad appeared in "The Australian" seeking flight crew
& engineers for an A320 operation. It was placed by AWAS so we can probably assume these A320's will be operating under the Australian register.
I don't think they would have any problem what so ever attracting employed
or unemployed AN staff who are rated on this type of aircraft at the moment.

Just a thought

Rmm




User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Ihope the A320 wins but if the 738 wins the contract then I won't complain.

User currently offlineWunalaDreaming From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

I would love to see the A320 wearing the QF scheme!

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

I would like to see the B737-800s!

alvin



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User currently offlineQF717 From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Nice analysis Dale -- think it's a bit of a coin toss.

Bet Airbus can undercut Chicago with A320s, perhaps an all-economy A318? The all-econ situ sort of modifies the normal scenario ever so slightly.

Keep thinking that QF needs something on the LOW capacity side of an A320/A738.

318? 736/73G?

Hmm...

David,
QF717


User currently offlineN17085 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Just imagine, wouldn't a Qantas 739 climbing out out SYD at sunset just appeal to you.

User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

David,

before Sep 11, I think the A320/321 had the inside running at QF. The A318/319 was not required and I think they want 150+ seats on most of their jet services(QFLink excluded). The 318/736 will not even be considered. These are both way too heavy for their capacity and are being eaten into at the higher end of the RJ scale,which are lighter, cheaper to operate and have virtually the same capacity. The 736/318 will not be a success and will only be ordered by airlines requiring the complete family.
There is no way QF can get the infrastructure up and running to accept A320s into the fleet at a rate of 2/month from Jan 2002. The infrastructure is almost there now for 738s(engineering and crew). It will also be much easier for QF to integrate 738s into the 733/4 fleet and I know the 738s are designed to accept the slimline seats. I don't know about the A320s. I don't think QF want any more fleet complications as is necessary in the next few years as they will be having some big headaches trying to integrate A330s with 763s on the same routes- different crews,maintenance,cargo containers etc. What will happen when a 763 becomes unserviceable and the only replacement is an A330. Get a new crew for starters, reload the bags. Big problems. No they won't repeat this with 733/4s and A320s.
I give the A320 virtually no chance of winning this one and you have to think way beyond the purchase price.

Dale.


User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

AWESOME NEWS!
Good on you Qantas

Regards
QANTASairways



Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineQF717 From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Yup, suppose you're right Dale -- I suppose crew/commonality issues will indeed win out there, no, can't imagine the 320s are going to be seen anytime soon.

I rather wonder how genuine QF is being in proposing the 330s for domestic routes. Seem like anything from Taipei to Papeete, HNL to SIN come to mind!

Rather wonder what the priorities are marketing-wise -- old craft for domestic or new? Dollars in the int'l business seats I would have thought.

Those domestic J seats on the 763 are the worst premium seats in the sky. Just bloody awful.

Cheers!

David,
QF717


User currently offlineKrisworldB777 From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 571 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

It is good to see Qantas finally beginning to return to it's former glory with new orders and heartening to see that Qantas is only one of a handful of airlines still profitable as we speak. Now, they need to get their in-flight service up to scratch instead of the bloody awful arrogant, snooty and rude service us Aussies have become accustomed to and seen nearly all of us transfer to Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines and Cathay Pacific. Lets hope we also see beds in Business, a Premium Economy and a domestic product that is sophisticated and innovative plus a re-run of the fantastic Qantas TV commercials that everyone adores!

User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

KrisworldB777,

They won't do that. They can't afford it yet. They're spending billions of dollars on new aircraft and trying to get wage freezes. They won't spend money on cabin upgrades.

QF717,

Are you talking about the 6-abreast J seats on the B767-336ER's? Because the B767-338ER's that are cycled through occasionally for domestic service use the same J seats as the B747-438's with the same pitch (50").

The Coachman



M88, 722, 732, 733, 734, 73G, 73H, 742, 743, 744, 752, 762, 763, 772, 773, 77W, 320, 332, 333, 345, 388, DH8, SF3 - want
User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

David,

As far as I know the first 13 A330s delivered (7 200s and 6 300s) will be almost used solely on domestic sectors. Things are pretty fluid at QF at the moment and adjustments could be made to this,especially if QF get their hands on some cheap and relatively new 763s.

Dale.


User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

As a QF shareholder, I attended last week's company AGM and the following was disclosed.

- Schedule for A330 remains as previously stated with first delivery set down for 11/2002. Slide clauses exist in the contract for QF to bring delivery dates forward if production slots are available.

- Australian Airlines will fly a fleet of 763s. Both Margaret Jackson and Geoff Dixon were deliberately vague as to where these aircraft were to be sourced from but they did say their acquisition would be financed through existing capital sources. First Australian plane scheduled to fly 6/2002.



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User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Plane makers woo the roo

The manufacturers battling for a $1.5 billion Qantas contract yesterday had their aircraft parked side by side at Sydney Airport, as engineers and technical crews conducted inspections.

Qantas is buying 15 new planes and with discounts of up to 45 per cent being offered, the airline has been given red-carpet treatment by the manufacturers.

Qantas is expected to decide by Sunday which type of plane it will buy.



User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

Wow...

We DO live in diffrent times. All these posts and nothing but rational speculation and friendly opinions!

Isn't there ANYONE who'll chime in with a "Boeing's ancient technology" or "The Airbuses were all subsidized by the government"?

Strange days.  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Yes heavymetal, and don't bring all that into this conversation (i know you are trying your best).

I'd love to see the A320 in a QF scheme, but i guess they'd go with the 737...


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

I fly on the A320 its a fantastic aircraft I hope Qantas go for them I think they are far more comfortable and appealing than the 737.
And as for Qantas 763 being all fitted with 744 J class seating. Thats not the case. QF domestic configured 763s including those leased from BA are configured in 2x2x2 seating with a very small pitch.


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