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When Will They Build The MD-12?  
User currently offlineMd11_man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

I have an encyclopedia of every single aircraft ever produced. In the MD-11 section, it says that McDonnell Douglas will be building the MD-12 to succeed the MD-11. I hope this is true and I hope it looks like the MD-11, cause I think thats the greatest jet liner ever. Of course that is my opinion.

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User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Since Boeing bought McDonnell-Douglas, and have shut production of all their types (and probably will soon for thr 717), the chance that there will be an MD-12 is ... How should I put it ... Very remote!

User currently offlineMd11_man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Damn Boeing!!! Lockheed should make the L-1011 with winglets and make it alittle longer. I love the L-1011 too. Why are all the companies making crappy airplanes? Is there any company that is making a three engined aircraft at the moment?

User currently offlineStephen007 From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Mcdonnell Douglas is eaten by Boeing since 1997. Sigh! talk abt market capitalisation! Boeing killed the MD-11, MD-80s (and modern MD-90s) and the stillborn MD-12. I don't really think B717 (MD-95) will survive for long. Competes directly in market of B737NGs and with the airline slump, B717s seem on the brink of being axed.
MD-12s arent going to be built since 777LRs and 744s are around.


User currently offlineMd11_man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Well I just fell in love with airbus  Smile haha

User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

Sorry, but if there was ever a crappy airplane it is the MD11.

Difficult to handle at low speeds, a pig in crosswinds, an accident record no-one can envy and now destined to haul packages and freight - but only because of the huge interior and hold.

I feel sorry for the FedEx, UPS etc. crews who are going to have to put up with this ill conceived piece of metal's tantrums for the next dozen years or so.

As for the MD-12, please keep up. Boeing took over McDonnel Douglas and no more MD series aircraft will be built.

The MD-11 was a disasterous end to an extremely fine line of commercial aircraft.


User currently offlineMd11_man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Well I know Boeing bought out MD. But wouldn't boeing want to build a three engined aircraft? Personally I love the 777, but I would never want to travel on it across the oceans.

User currently offlineMd11_man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Wouldn't you think it would be cool if Airbus build something close to the md-11 model? except change the winglets and make it a side stick configuration. that would look pretty cool.

User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

The tri-jet concept for long haul aircraft was a compromise of the late 1960s design departments when the reliability of large fan engines had not been proved.

Airlines wanted smaller aircraft than the B747 for some routes and it seemed ludicrous to have four big engines hauling a smaller widebody but, especially over water, safety was deemed paramount. Three engines suited the safety guys, the passengers (those who noticed) and the accountants.

Twin engine reliability is now so good that a trijet does not make sense any more. If you really want 4 engined safety (and I as an old codger still do) you buy a 747 if you need large, or an A340 if your need is smaller.

If you don't want four engines then the B777, B767 or A330 in various sizes will fill your every need.


User currently offlineStephen007 From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

how about MD-10 conversion? besides fitting in the EFIS cockpit to bring it to 2-man operations, are they going to crank up and tweak any of the "crappy" misgivings of the DC-10?

it's true trijets have past their time in today's airline industry


User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Not sure what "misgivings" you are referring to.

User currently offlineL-1011-500 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 368 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

My thoughts (in an overly concise manner):

*The MD-12 will not be built.

*Md_11man - Crossing the ocean in a twinjet is safe, especially a 777; in fact the probability of failure is higher with a trijet such as the MD-11.

*The Md_11 was a let down - still a good plane, but its competitors (A330/A340 and 777 are far superior). I think had MDC worked out the kinks earlier, before consumer confidence was tarnished, more would be in the skies.

*The L-1011 rules, as do trijets, but I strongly doubt the likelihood of them returning to the skies in the forms of new models from Airbus or Boeing.

Tootles-

L-1011-500


User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Trijets: Great concept. Maintainability of the No. 2 engine is superb.  Yeah sure Not to mention the incredible fuel efficiency of having three engines instead of two  Yeah sure And what better plane to be in in the case of an uncontained engine failure?

Honestly - I love trijets because they look awesome and make nice pics. But as design, they're flawed.

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

If you ever get a chance to go to Santa Monica airport, check out the museum of flying. It has some really cool old military stuff, from WWII and such, and some old comercial planes, along with new ones. They have a very cool model of the MD-11, which is like 12 feet long, as well as a smaller, but still pretty big model of the proposed MD-12. Remember, Santa Monica airport is the old airport where Douglas used to make all their aircraft in the 50s and I think early 60s before moving to Long Beach.

-aio86


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

when will they build the md-12? NEVER

User currently offlineSdate747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

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Can Anybody Post a Picture of The Proposed MD-12 Design? I am sure it was a beautiful plane just like the MD-11. Also a trijet I assume?

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User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

was the MD-12 project the blended wing and body plane?

--dragogoalie-#88--



Formerly known as Jap. Srsly. AUSTRALIA: 2 days!
User currently offlineGaruda From Indonesia, joined Nov 2000, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

MD-12 concept is a quad jet double decker similar to A380. There is a concept drawing and a one-page ad in Air Transport World, April 1992 (I think....I found one copy in my attic)....

MDD also planned to launch a DC-11 (not similar to MD-11) in early 70's. You can read more in my previous post.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/612511/



User currently offlineN17085 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Interesting, I found this off of Klune Industries

"By combining unparalleled manufacturing expertise with innovative engineering techniques, Klune Industries satisfies a wide range of commercial aircraft requirements. We excel at both mature airplane design and "first issue" applications, with the diversification to quickly respond to AOG and production requirements. Previous successful aircraft applications include thrust reversers and APU units to nacelle systems and flight hardware assemblies. Systems applications include MD-11, MD-12, MD-80, MD-90, DC-10, Boeing 717, 777, 737, 757, 767, Airbus 318, 320, Bombardier L-45, DASH 8, -300, -400, RJ700, 900, as well as Rolls Royce, General Electric, and Pratt & Whitney engines."


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13210 posts, RR: 77
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

The A380-like MD-12, proposed in 1992, would have had virtually all the fuselage built by AIDC in Taiwan, an agreement was signed at the Farnborough airshow that year.
Quite apart from the fact that this was a huge leap for AIDC, previously having only licence-built US aircraft like the F-5E fighter, prop and jet training aircraft of their own design, and a not very successful light-fighter with help from GD, the unions in the US reacted with horror. They could see many of their members job's ending up in the far-east. This was way beyond offset or subcontractor work.
Anyway, MDD's financial position made the MD-12 doubtful, the military side of the company, which had long subsidised the loss-making airliner division, was soon to suffer the post cold-war defence rundown.
Soon after the agreement, AIDC clearly realised that the MD-12 was not a viable proposition, and the deal died.


User currently offlineNfx From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

take a look

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/pe.fox/nblrussia/douglas_datamd90.html


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

I agree. We want a NEW TRISTAR. Heck, we could all pitch in a litttle $$$ for it, right? LOL. Sigh, I just don't know how much longer I can take the 757, A320 and what not. I love those old a/c. The 727 is very unique for its rear staircase. Soon in the database, its only going to be new new new a/c.
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineSeagull From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

PhilB,

You obviously have never qualified on the MD-11. Your info is far from accurate, based on rumors that were spread by Boeing marketing at one time. The MD-11 is not hard to fly, and with the latest FCC load it is a very nice flying airplane, a real pleasure to fly.


User currently offlineN17085 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

I have been doing some research and it sounds like the MD-12 was made to counter the at that time A3XX (A380). However, info on pax loads have varied I have seen figures from 395 pax to 650 pax.

User currently offlineVirgina340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

Seagull; Try telling that to the other pilots who fly the plane. FEDEX pilots don't call it Mega Death 11 or the scud for no reason. The 11 was one of the biggest screw ups by MD which is why they ain't producing no more aircrafts. This plane has an accident/ incident rating equivilant of the 707 and DC-8 afte only 10 years of service! This is exceeding the DC-10! Robert Crandall called it a dissapointment. The plane can't fly far on a full payload and it guzzles too much fuel which is why he cancelled the reamining orders. SIA got rid of ASAP. Are you really an MD-11 Captain or are you some guy blindly defending this aircraft.


"FUIMUS"
25 GDB : One MD-12 proposal was indeed a stretched MD-11, later it was designated for the all-new 4 engined double-decker.
26 Mika : F**k all new A/C, long live L1011, DC10 and B727!
27 Seagull : Virginia, You have no idea what you're talking about. FedEx MD-11 pilots do NOT call the MD-11 anything negative, in fact, virtually all of thost that
28 RC Pilot : "f**k all new aircraft, L1011, dc10, and b727!" thats real mature. obviously someone doesnt like change. Ill agree some of the paths these ac builders
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