Md11_man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2700 times:
I have an encyclopedia of every single aircraft ever produced. In the MD-11 section, it says that McDonnell Douglas will be building the MD-12 to succeed the MD-11. I hope this is true and I hope it looks like the MD-11, cause I think thats the greatest jet liner ever. Of course that is my opinion.
TransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2592 times:
Since Boeing bought McDonnell-Douglas, and have shut production of all their types (and probably will soon for thr 717), the chance that there will be an MD-12 is ... How should I put it ... Very remote!
Md11_man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2557 times:
Damn Boeing!!! Lockheed should make the L-1011 with winglets and make it alittle longer. I love the L-1011 too. Why are all the companies making crappy airplanes? Is there any company that is making a three engined aircraft at the moment?
Stephen007 From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
Mcdonnell Douglas is eaten by Boeing since 1997. Sigh! talk abt market capitalisation! Boeing killed the MD-11, MD-80s (and modern MD-90s) and the stillborn MD-12. I don't really think B717 (MD-95) will survive for long. Competes directly in market of B737NGs and with the airline slump, B717s seem on the brink of being axed.
MD-12s arent going to be built since 777LRs and 744s are around.
PhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2476 times:
The tri-jet concept for long haul aircraft was a compromise of the late 1960s design departments when the reliability of large fan engines had not been proved.
Airlines wanted smaller aircraft than the B747 for some routes and it seemed ludicrous to have four big engines hauling a smaller widebody but, especially over water, safety was deemed paramount. Three engines suited the safety guys, the passengers (those who noticed) and the accountants.
Twin engine reliability is now so good that a trijet does not make sense any more. If you really want 4 engined safety (and I as an old codger still do) you buy a 747 if you need large, or an A340 if your need is smaller.
If you don't want four engines then the B777, B767 or A330 in various sizes will fill your every need.
L-1011-500 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
My thoughts (in an overly concise manner):
*The MD-12 will not be built.
*Md_11man - Crossing the ocean in a twinjet is safe, especially a 777; in fact the probability of failure is higher with a trijet such as the MD-11.
*The Md_11 was a let down - still a good plane, but its competitors (A330/A340 and 777 are far superior). I think had MDC worked out the kinks earlier, before consumer confidence was tarnished, more would be in the skies.
*The L-1011 rules, as do trijets, but I strongly doubt the likelihood of them returning to the skies in the forms of new models from Airbus or Boeing.
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2434 times:
Trijets: Great concept. Maintainability of the No. 2 engine is superb. Not to mention the incredible fuel efficiency of having three engines instead of two And what better plane to be in in the case of an uncontained engine failure?
Honestly - I love trijets because they look awesome and make nice pics. But as design, they're flawed.
Aio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2420 times:
If you ever get a chance to go to Santa Monica airport, check out the museum of flying. It has some really cool old military stuff, from WWII and such, and some old comercial planes, along with new ones. They have a very cool model of the MD-11, which is like 12 feet long, as well as a smaller, but still pretty big model of the proposed MD-12. Remember, Santa Monica airport is the old airport where Douglas used to make all their aircraft in the 50s and I think early 60s before moving to Long Beach.
N17085 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2304 times:
Interesting, I found this off of Klune Industries
"By combining unparalleled manufacturing expertise with innovative engineering techniques, Klune Industries satisfies a wide range of commercial aircraft requirements. We excel at both mature airplane design and "first issue" applications, with the diversification to quickly respond to AOG and production requirements. Previous successful aircraft applications include thrust reversers and APU units to nacelle systems and flight hardware assemblies. Systems applications include MD-11, MD-12, MD-80, MD-90, DC-10, Boeing 717, 777, 737, 757, 767, Airbus 318, 320, Bombardier L-45, DASH 8, -300, -400, RJ700, 900, as well as Rolls Royce, General Electric, and Pratt & Whitney engines."
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13448 posts, RR: 77
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2277 times:
The A380-like MD-12, proposed in 1992, would have had virtually all the fuselage built by AIDC in Taiwan, an agreement was signed at the Farnborough airshow that year.
Quite apart from the fact that this was a huge leap for AIDC, previously having only licence-built US aircraft like the F-5E fighter, prop and jet training aircraft of their own design, and a not very successful light-fighter with help from GD, the unions in the US reacted with horror. They could see many of their members job's ending up in the far-east. This was way beyond offset or subcontractor work.
Anyway, MDD's financial position made the MD-12 doubtful, the military side of the company, which had long subsidised the loss-making airliner division, was soon to suffer the post cold-war defence rundown.
Soon after the agreement, AIDC clearly realised that the MD-12 was not a viable proposition, and the deal died.
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2236 times:
I agree. We want a NEW TRISTAR. Heck, we could all pitch in a litttle $$$ for it, right? LOL. Sigh, I just don't know how much longer I can take the 757, A320 and what not. I love those old a/c. The 727 is very unique for its rear staircase. Soon in the database, its only going to be new new new a/c.
Seagull From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2201 times:
You obviously have never qualified on the MD-11. Your info is far from accurate, based on rumors that were spread by Boeing marketing at one time. The MD-11 is not hard to fly, and with the latest FCC load it is a very nice flying airplane, a real pleasure to fly.
Virgina340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2191 times:
Seagull; Try telling that to the other pilots who fly the plane. FEDEX pilots don't call it Mega Death 11 or the scud for no reason. The 11 was one of the biggest screw ups by MD which is why they ain't producing no more aircrafts. This plane has an accident/ incident rating equivilant of the 707 and DC-8 afte only 10 years of service! This is exceeding the DC-10! Robert Crandall called it a dissapointment. The plane can't fly far on a full payload and it guzzles too much fuel which is why he cancelled the reamining orders. SIA got rid of ASAP. Are you really an MD-11 Captain or are you some guy blindly defending this aircraft.
: One MD-12 proposal was indeed a stretched MD-11, later it was designated for the all-new 4 engined double-decker.
: F**k all new A/C, long live L1011, DC10 and B727!
: Virginia, You have no idea what you're talking about. FedEx MD-11 pilots do NOT call the MD-11 anything negative, in fact, virtually all of thost that
28 RC Pilot
: "f**k all new aircraft, L1011, dc10, and b727!" thats real mature. obviously someone doesnt like change. Ill agree some of the paths these ac builders