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Malaysian Airlines MH17 Crashes In Ukraine  
User currently offlineboefan From UK - England, joined May 2014, 826 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 134361 times:
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#BREAKING: Malaysian passenger airliner crashes in Ukraine near Russian border: Interfax cites aviation industry source

[Edited 2014-07-17 08:43:03 by ManuCH]

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User currently offlineboefan From UK - England, joined May 2014, 826 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 134760 times:
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[Edited 2014-07-17 08:12:56]

User currently offlinelhrlocal From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 134479 times:

Im seeing the breaking news headline on Sky News also.


User currently offlineboefan From UK - England, joined May 2014, 826 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 134492 times:
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Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 had 280 passengers and 15 crew members on board crashed near Russian border


route was AMS-KUL


[Edited 2014-07-17 08:16:13]

User currently offlineDallas From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 133983 times:

Is it MH17? Just going off the route, that appears to be the flight.

User currently offlineboefan From UK - England, joined May 2014, 826 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 133774 times:
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Video after crash

[Edited 2014-07-17 08:21:06]

User currently offlineTurkishWings From Turkey, joined May 2006, 1460 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 133699 times:

It appears to be 9M-MRD if it was the KUL-AMS flight

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User currently offlinespeedbored From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 1488 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 132668 times:

Let's hope that there are some survivors but it doesn't look too hopeful.

Can't help wondering whether this is related to MH370, or to the Ukraine conflict.

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 132675 times:
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Quoting hooverman (Reply 11):
I wonder if it could have been shot down with all the tension in the region.

- Whilst it is early to speculate this could well be a possibility and I'd rather it be this (as awful as it might sound) than a fault with the aircraft or crew.

Thoughts to all the relatives and MAS themselves, what an awful time they have been having for many months and now this, truly tragic.

User currently offlineBlast From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 132006 times:

Not much known as yet.. Nu.nl, Dutch news, site reports this: http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/3830706/...ng-777-stort-neer-in-oekraine.html

Flight MH 17 left AMS at 12:00 local time.

[Edited 2014-07-17 08:29:23]

User currently onlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 131996 times:

This is terrible and I was stunned to hear the breaking news on the radio. They said there are "plumes of black smoke."

@Reply11: Very good point and I did not think of that. It seems like it could be a real possibility, however.

If this was mechanical, do you think this could give insight into what happened to MH370?

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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 8707 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 131984 times:

Malaysian Airlines still has an arrival time for this flight

Flight No. Status Departure City Departure Date & Time Arrival City Arrival Date & Time
0017 DEPARTED Amsterdam 17 Jul 2014 @ 12:14 Kuala Lumpur 18 Jul 2014 @ 06:09


Nothing on Schipol airport website either

The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 863 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 131193 times:

9MMRD Boeing 777-200

This flight left Amsterdam at 12.00 5 hours ago

[Edited 2014-07-17 08:29:09]

[Edited 2014-07-17 08:34:15]

[Edited 2014-07-17 08:35:12]

User currently offlinemattdell From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 131164 times:

Quoting dairy (Reply 16):

"disappeared from radar"

"the transponder signal was lost at FL330 at position N48.56 E37.21 at 13:43Z."

Sounds eerily similar to MH370.

User currently offlineyakima From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 131142 times:

The heading of this video in this link suggests it was shot down:


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 8707 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 131719 times:

A spokesman for Malaysian Airlines has confirmed "an incident" on board one of its flights and is expected to release a statement shortly.


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineboefan From UK - England, joined May 2014, 826 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 131633 times:
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Flightradar showing flight as canceled


User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 130782 times:

Oh my God... just got home now on way get SMS about this...

Here a Link in German about local News Site: http://www.20min.ch/panorama/news/st...r-der-Ukraine-abgestuerzt-31071758

User currently offlineflyenthu From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 130830 times:
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Flightaware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/M...7/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK

User currently offline747WanSui From China, joined Jun 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 130613 times:

My thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved.

I do wonder what this means in terms of the big picture - over 500 people lost within 4 months on the same airline & same aircraft type - that's about as crazy as things can get...

Long live the Boeing 747!
User currently offlineadriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1149 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 129535 times:

Whereas this is tragic, all speculation is moot point. Investigations may take months. What a bad year for the T7, which until now had an almost impeccable record...!!!


A300/18/19/20/21 B721/2 B732/3/G/8 B741/2/4 B752 B762/3/4 B772/3 DC8/9/10 MD11 TU134/154 IL62/86 An24 SA340/2000 E45/90
User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 4401 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 129526 times:

This is tragic and an incredibly dramatic twist of fate.

I hope the fact that it fell in the contested part of Ukraine will not tamper with the investigation.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9915 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 129843 times:

There's commentary it may have been shot down. Jesus.

if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
User currently offlinesandrozrh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 129887 times:

Quoting hooverman (Reply 11):
I wonder if it could have been shot down with all the tension in the region.

that's the first thing that crossed my mind aswell, especially since it apparently crashed near the city of Donezk. One of the most embattled cities in the Ukraine.

User currently offlineJimJupiter From Germany, joined Sep 2011, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 130381 times:

Terrible news.  

On a side note: Could we, in regard to early speculations about possible causes, please do a little better than in the MH370-threads? Thanks.

One is born, one runs up bills, one dies.
25 BestWestern : The flight was at cruise altitude. Shot down is pure speculation
26 hoya : At 13:26 UTC, flightradar24.com shows MH17 as just across the Russian border at 33k feet. Can't get the site to show the track of the flight, very lag
27 casinterest : My thoughts and condolences go out to the victims, while I hope for survivors.
28 ozark1 : Excuse my ignorance on the subject, but can a plane be shot down from that high an altitude?
29 BestWestern : And states Estimated.
30 B738FlyUIA : Still showing the arrival time in KUL.. CNN has no more news at the moment.
31 laxboeingman : My thoughts are with everybody on board and their family members. I hope there are survivors. A CBS aviation expert said that it could have been weath
32 ZSOFN : Reuters: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/489795394411712513
33 YWG : CNN is already jumping to conclusions about the conflict in the area. All of their "specialists" are coming out of the woodwork and getting their time
34 readytotaxi : The link in reply 18 say that "Interfax reports citing an industry source that a Malaysia Boeing 777 from Amsterdam to Malaysia has crashed near the U
35 WildcatYXU : It certainly can. However, not with a small, hand fired antiaircraft missile one would expect the separatists may have.
36 76er : Considering the holiday season just started, many Dutch families will have been on board. Tragic.
37 BestWestern : look at the youtube earlier - clear skies.
38 KiwiRob : Both Russia and Ukraine are both claiming it was shot down and both are blaming each other.
39 BlueSky1976 : A Russian fighter recently shot down Ukrainian attack plane in the area - clear act of war, as the Russian fighter was operating within airspace of Ru
40 NBGSkyGod : Yes there are several Soviet era missile systems that can reach an aircraft at that altitude. Although I believe most are vehicle mounted or static,
41 United787 : Who's Interior Ministry is saying this: Ukraine? Russia? Malaysia? Netherlands?
42 SuperCaravelle : Not Netherlands for sure, probably Russia as Interfax brings the news.
43 BestWestern : CNN reporting Malaysia Air confirms they have lost contact with this flight
44 GrahamHill : This is terrible. My thoughts and prayers to the families. Unbelievable....[Edited 2014-07-17 08:44:11]
45 Post contains links boefan : Malaysia Airlines Confirms it according to Fox News http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07...-in-ukraine/?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fn
46 flykev : My condolences to anyone involved in this tragic incident. I hope we get answers regarding who is responsible and find out the reasons why this many i
47 brightcedars : This has got scenario à la Korean Air cold war shoot down written all over it. Wonder what the NATO radars will show. RIP
48 United787 : If this is the case, wouldn't most airlines avoid flying through this airspace?
49 enilria : The crash is near Donetsk. That's too amazing of a coincidence to not be related to the war there.
50 Flaps : I had just finished reading about a Ukraine Su25 being shot down when this popped up. Gonna get real ugly real fast regardless of who pulled the trigg
51 mrcomet : I doubt it was shot down. It would have had to have been by an airplane or a more sophisticated heat seeking SAM than the short range stuff they are u
52 sturmovik : While I have no confirmation in any way, I doubt the Russians would be so forthcoming with information if it was one of their fighters/SAMs that brou
53 Post contains images flyingturtle : Dear God, don't let this be true. We are several light years away from making any sensible conclusion yet. It's probably of no value, but gcmap.com sh
54 777Jet : OMG I don't know what to say... Very bad times for MAS and their 777s... RIP to those on board...
55 BestWestern : https://twitter.com/MAS Malaysia Airlines has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details t
56 greaser : If this airplane was shot down, I don't see how this is a knock on the safety record of the airplane - nothing could have been done if it was indeed
57 SuperCaravelle : Interfax is active in both Ukraine and Russia, so this could be a propaganda war from either side. It seems very unlikely to me that a 777 would go d
58 hooverman : Yes, terrible. My condolences to all the famillies of the victims.
59 Post contains images hoya : Is flightradar24.com wrong? The pic on twitter doesn't seem to correspond with what I found (flight behind it is SQ 351):
60 racko : Can't make this up. MAH B777 in the Ukraine/Russia border region. To be honest I'm a bit surprised that there are still airliners flying there given t
61 laxboeingman : Did the ICAO change the flight path to avoid Ukraine or did that not happen yet? KNX is reporting that Ukrainian rebels shot down the plane. Who knows
62 SuperCaravelle : This is the link I found: flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17 Showing normal cruise altitude entering Ukraine.
63 sandrozrh : I don't know about others, but we certainly avoid flying over the conflict regions in the south and west.
64 enilria : Is it meaningful that flightaware shows the flight going off tracking at the Western Ukraine border and not Donetsk which is on the opposite side of t
65 Post contains links casinterest : I am looking for corroborating news sites, but my local news site www.wral.com has this quote in it's ariticle. " Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukra
66 boeingguy26 : Flightaware does not have an estimated calculation anymore. It is just showing the tracked route (green trace) and that's it. My deepest condolences t
67 laxboeingman : KNX just said they are getting reports that it's on the Ukraine side. They just had someone else on who said he "doubts there is any correlation" to M
68 francoflier : The speculations have started on BBC news. Mostly about it possibly being shot down by the separatists, likely using 'borrowed' Russian weapon systems
69 mrcomet : According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-portable_air-defense_systems Shoulder-fired SAMs generally have a target detection range of about 6 mi
70 spacecadet : All crashes anywhere are coincidence. The laws of chance don't care whether there's a war going on somewhere. Unless he was there and personally witn
71 gabrielchew : Oh dear, so sad for MH, as well as the crew and pax of course. Not a good time for them. I'm booked on one of MHs 777s in November.
72 Basefly : I think that there can be no doubt that airlines will change their flight path away from this area immediately.
73 SuperCaravelle : I would be very careful with any reports attributing this action to either side of the conflict, there will be major PR going on at the moment.
74 MD80Nut : Good Lord, what a tragedy! And now it seems it may have been shot down. What a horror. My condolences to all families involved. I hope we get the trut
75 Post contains links BigSaabowski : No, the Flightaware tracking region ends at the Polish/Ukrainian border. i.e.: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA333 Flightradar24 (Modes-S based
76 YVRtoYYZ : Anyone have a flightaware screenshot showing the route flown? FlightAware has since removed it for July 17, 2014.
77 Post contains links enilria : http://www.businessinsider.com/malay...businessinsider+(Business+Insider) "The area is controlled by pro-Russian separatists who are fighting the Ukra
78 mrcomet : Since a shoulder mounted SAM couldn't get this aircraft, the issue becomes whether a sophicticated SAM system was there - truck mounted. If so, Russia
79 A388 : Terrible news, I hope we will know the cause of this crash soon. The aircraft was probably flying at criuse altitude at the time it came down so I fin
80 Post contains links and images Miami : No.... Not this again.. I'm terribly sadden of hearing of what's going on. My thoughts and prayers are out to the victims and their families. Multiple
81 Post contains links Mir : Multiple news outlets apparently saying it was shot down. It's not going to be easy to get confirmation on that, and even if we do we might never real
82 casinterest : Well, according to the video's out. Many people witnessed it, as it happened in broad daylight in the Ukraine. Doesn't take much to take a report fro
83 blrsea : Why focus only on Russian separatists? Why couldn't the Ukrainian govt itself have done it, given that it needs to a sophisticated SAM to intercept at
84 windshear : its on the border... Impossible to say in which airspace... Could be both... Boaz.
85 AviationAware : That probably sounds the death knell on MH then, no matter what the cause of this catastrophe was.
86 Post contains images ZKOJQ : There was a lot of shelling along the Ukraine Russia border this afternoon. Its hard not to think that it might be related to that. Tensions are certa
87 seansasLCY : According to Sky News it is reported that a BUK surface to air missile was used. Obviously there is no confirmation of that. Truly terrible news.
88 usa330300 : It was shot down with the Russian designed Buk missile system. That much we know. Whether it was the Ukrainians or Russians that shot it down we do n
89 moo : If indeed it was a Ukrainian separatist group that fired the missile - it could have been a Ukrainian military unit that was not aware of any civil o
90 9VSIO : I seem to recall a NOTAM back in May already advising pilots to avoid certain parts of Ukraine due to uncertainty over airspace claims...
91 Post contains links BlueSky1976 : Image of the "Buk" launcher: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K37_Bu...1-2_air_defence_system_in_2010.jpg This is no MANPAD. Probably heavy equipment, op
92 windshear : Latest I heard all on board are dead
93 spacecadet : I don't know why people always seem to say this about every crash. The FDR and CVR are sitting in a field right now. Someone just needs to go get the
94 TripleDelta : The article posted in reply #14 states "Buk missile system"... that's the SA-11 in NATO-speak, designed to chase high-altitude targets and the defaul
95 enilria : I'm sorry for ramping up the conspiracy theories already, but I'm sorry. The odds of this being randomly targeted at the exact same type and airline a
96 b777erj145 : Sorry to hear about this accident. We should wait for investigation before even reaching to any concusion. So is CBS, NBC( according to NBC several or
97 Post contains links SyeaphanR : Well, a few days back, this guy said... http://jeziorki.blogspot.co.uk/
98 greaser : Reuters reporting it was a Buk SAM. ironically Russia was pitching the Buk to Malaysia as a SAM system 4 years ago... It's a medium-range, portable S
99 Viper911 : A plane crashes in a conflict area, of course everyone will shout it was shot down, it surely can happen, guys and gals don't make any assumptions bef
100 boefan : if they are intact...
101 runway23 : Seeing where this took place, chances are someone might run away with them. That said, seeing the amount of surveillance in the region, I'm sure rada
102 usflyer msp : This is horrible. 2014 is truly the annus horribilis for MAS...RIP
103 laxboeingman : KNX said that an advisor to the Ukrainian Interior Minister said it was the separatists, but that there had been no claim of responsibility. CBS Netwo
104 Tobias2702 : We don't know this, eiher. So far, this is just an unconfirmed claim.
105 macc : only from statistical logic, quite rare a plane falls out of the sky during cruise. without at least some warning. we dont know that yet. from the you
106 TheSonntag : If I remember correct, its used by Ukrainians and Russia. Ukraine claimed yesterday that russia had violated their airspace. I would not rule out tha
107 Viper911 : Why would Russians do that, no body wins from a Malaysian airplane going down in Ukraine.
108 CALMSP : which, if this was sent out, blame will be put on MH for failing to adhere to this warning.
109 trex8 : Or could MH due to financial issues be using an air corridor over a potentially dangerous area other airlines are opting out of as its the cheaper ro
110 Post contains images flythere : It's really a series of unfortunate events happening to MH.... May passengers sound and safe
111 spacecadet : Why wouldn't they be? This is what they're designed for.
112 Daus : The rebels claimed the shoot-down (when they thought it was an AN-26) https://twitter.com/myroslavapetsa/status/489795820070658048
113 Post contains links and images EBGflyer : Seems like it is very close to the border
114 Post contains links Scipio : Shortly after the crash, the self-declared Minister of Defense of the Donetsk rebels claimed that his forces had shot down a Ukrainian Air Force An-26
115 SKAirbus : They need to shut down Ukrainian airspace immediately pending an investigation. Other airliners could be in danger. This is absolutely horrific. Is it
116 slinky09 : What a despicable act if it was a shoot down - my condolences to all on board, and to MAS for such a terrible run of luck. However, if it is proven it
117 Post contains images mattdell : I'm not (yet) convinced it was shot down. I'm sure either side would be quick to blame the other for such a tragedy and I've yet to see any hard evide
118 Post contains links Mir : We don't actually know that it was shot down. Here's the FAA version: http://www.nbaa.org/ops/intl/mid/FDC-NOTAM.pdf The formatting isn't great, but
119 Post contains links boefan : cmdr Strelkov tweet http://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/status/489802664264212480
120 Rara : Of course they will, not least because they're state-backed. Remember that before flying became as safe as it is today, many airlines lost several pl
121 SuperCaravelle : All airliners are being diverted from the area at the moment.
122 strfyr51 : Maybe Overflying a Hot Zone like the Ukraine just isn't a good Idea. if Russia OR the ukraine can't guarantee civilian safety then maybe ALL that air
123 olddominion727 : I think we all need to bow our heads in a moment of silence for these people and their families. The pax are no longer in pain, but this is the beginn
124 SKAirbus : It's easy to do nowadays with all the flighttracking apps about. The rebels could have calculated this to have a huge impact based on all the press s
125 jetblueguy22 : I think tensions are so high that nobody wants to be reckless and blame someone without knowing all the facts RIP to all of those onboard. I pray tha
126 Aesma : Never heard of the U2 incident ? That was in 1960 and the U2 flies much, much higher than a 777. I guess you're not following the news, the EU and US
127 9VSIO : The NOTAM defined an area - was issued via UK AIS. I'm afraid I haven't looked up the exact area defined. "Q) EGXX/QAFXX/IV/NBO/E/000/999/5552N00617W
128 trex8 : Lets see, Soviets and two Korean planes, US and one Iranian plane and thats just off the top of my head, I'm sure others will come up with other inst
129 Mir : You'll note I prefaced that by saying "if it was shot down". I don't think the FDR or CVR will be any use at all in determining who fired the missile
130 Post contains links boefan : Malaysia Airlines 9M-MRD last photo before crash taken today during take off at AMS http://twitter.com/airchive/status/489804876382089216[Edited 2014-
131 KBUF : Not a good year for MH, that's for sure. Definitely don't see them being able to recover from both this and Flight 370. Thoughts and prayers to all on
132 CALMSP : while we dont have the specifics, however, b/c modern day airplanes do not regularly fall out of the sky, its a safe assumption to start with this sp
133 Gonzalo : IF this was a military action against a civil airliner, the implications will be huge. Sad to see (again ) innocent people paying for the mistakes or
134 Basefly : It is very likely that a jumpy rebel commander supplied with high tech equipment decided to take down the 777, especially in light of the fact that h
135 sonomaflyer : The rebels are claiming credit for the shoot down via Twitter. Aside from re routing air traffic, the rebels got access to a very sophisticated missil
136 N776AU : Do Malaysia and Russia have any beef with each other?
137 northstardc4m : It's an assumption that the civilian airliner was in fact the identified target if this is what happened. The SA-11 isn't updated once it's fired. If
138 Post contains links fvtu134 : http://nos.nl/liveblog/676042-live-vliegtuig-uit-adam-neergestort.html Looking at the first video on this blog... which seems to have started recordin
139 Post contains links GCT64 : The most pertinent one is Siberia Airlines Flight 1812: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812 Read up on that and decide whether
140 smokeybandit : How do you confuse an An-26 with a 777 at cruise altitude? They're kind of...nothing alike, other than the fact both have two engines.
141 richierich : Not sure I agree. With all due respect, a problem with the crew or aircraft would mean a lot of headaches for airlines all over the world, and Boeing
142 PA110 : This may be a serious ATC fail. According to several reports, the airspace over the Donbass region was closed to all traffic since Monday. If so, a co
143 jetblueguy22 : How is this the US medias fault? All the newscasts I'm watching are quoting Interfax, a Russian news source. I can't figure out why a pilot, never mi
144 SuperCaravelle : I'd consider it highly unlikely that a 777 would go down like that because of an onboard issue during daytime over land.
145 EPA001 : First unconfirmed picture of a part of the fuselage on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/489804938470375425/photo/1
146 greaser : From Reuters: "Emergency Ministry official on site says body parts scattered around up to 15 km from crash site, at least 100 bodies seen" Sounds like
147 Post contains links and images Miami : Possibly the last picture taken of 9M-MRD. Photo credit: www.twitter.com/SchipholSpot
148 LH707330 : Possible, but I have doubts that such a thing would happen to a 777 given the TWA800 learnings. Yeah, someone may have already retrieved them to hide
149 Mir : One doesn't kill 300 people and just get away with it. If someone shot the plane down, they didn't do it on their own - they had backing from a gover
150 bw50505 : Very sad, the fact they are claiming responsibility leaves even less doubt than what many already suspect. My thoughts go out to the passengers and c
151 Web500sjc : Can you tell the difference between a a320 and 777 at cruise altitude? The only similarity is that tey have 2 engines.... When I see an airplane in c
152 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : First MH17 wreckage? http://twitter.com/RT_com/status/489804938470375425/
153 Post contains links fatmirjusufi : The Telegraph is reporting that MH17 believed to have been shot down by a BUK missile. Source: http://goo.gl/E6d3dm
154 9VSIO : Not as far as I'm aware. The Royal Malaysian Air Force uses Russian hardware...
155 wxmeddler : Horrible, just devastating, for everyone. Reuters Top News @Reuters #BREAKING: Emergency Ministry official on site says body parts scattered around up
156 Post contains images Miami : Wreckage of MH17
157 Post contains links BlueSky1976 : That's why: http://en.censor.net.ua/news/294232/...ute_ran_near_ukrainian_il76_source Separatists and Russians need to give up their weapons and stop
158 b777erj145 : Bcs they have done this before with KE 7 and what, also, news agency reporting last week with a cargo plane
159 AT : What is that black circle just left of the the door?
160 LH648 : Week ago overflying Donetsk on LH648 I was thinking, what a hell we are flying over combat area?...
161 CALMSP : if not much of a beef before, i'm sure a very large piece of beef now.
162 777boi : This is just the worst news ever! Being an ex-flight attendant, my heart goes out to all the families of the passengers and crew! What would have been
163 Aesma : Shooting down anything flying that high doesn't make sense in the context of that war. Now if you have somebody untrained at the commands of a sophis
164 shortstack81 : if that airspace was closed the word must not have been out. saw quite a bit of commercial traffic on flightradar.
165 slinky09 : The pictures that are alledgely being uploaded via Twitter are certainly consistent with a mid-air break up rather than an intact airliner hitting th
166 Post contains links readytotaxi : A litle bit of missile background. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system And the training to use it? From what is coming out this far it see
167 cipango : Oh my god this is incredibly eerie. I am shocked by this and nearly refuse to believe it. All those on board have been taken so needlessly and are he
168 na : I doubt officials Russians did it. And I doubt separatists would do such knowingly. But the sound of a propeller driven Antonov and a 777 is huge. Al
169 YYZYYT : Could such a SAM be fired at one aircraft, but lose the lock and track in on aiother instead? If there were military aircraft in the area, it is enti
170 tonyban : This is about the most sickening news I've heard. RIP to all those that have perished. This is insane !
171 vio : My goodness!!! Pictures of bodies on Twitter. It seems that they're somewhat intact, which tells me that the plane did not completely disintegrate (th
172 ORDfan : Fair point, however it must be noted that it's possible Ukrainian rebels may have shot this flight down - in which they are not technically Russians,
173 joeytaffy93 : Such sad news. I couldn't believe it when I saw a friend post it on Facebook! R.I.P. to all involved and prayers with their families.
174 Aleksandar : All I can say is "poor people".....and I do hope it is not the deliberate case of shooting down civilian jet.
175 Rara : They're just rerouting planes a bit further south towards the Crimea, you can see it on Flightradar. By the way, that's a busy route for A380s. If th
176 martinair50 : Many cruel pictures floating around on Twitter. Also there was a Dutch passport found.
177 Daus : I don't know the capabilities of that particular missile system but once the missile's seaker starts looking for the target there is no guarantee whi
178 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here it was at the gate today: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...03252.21333.100003825135026&type=1
179 PA110 : According to FR24, at the time of the incident, MH3 was just passing only slightly to the south of the same region.
180 EVAAIRBR076 : [quote=KarelXWB,reply=179][/a person posted this at his facebook before he got onboard of this flight, with the comment "in case this plane disapears,
181 KarelXWB : MH3 (an A380) was just behind MH17.
182 flyingturtle : Does the Buk missile have an IFF, a friend-foe identification system? Because it has been continuously developed since 1979, I think so. But if it wer
183 enilria : MH has 12 777 aircraft. That's nothing. There has to be a common thread, such as... It looks to me like the plane was off course... Either that or MH
184 na : 9M-MRD is the plane that once carried the beautiful blue special "Heliconia" livery.
185 SXDFC : Looks like Romeo Charlie.. Regardless of what caused the plane to go down, we now have to take time to mourn the loss of those on board, and ultimate
186 mrcomet : Ukrainian sources are reporting that separatists had announced around 5 pm that they had shot down a Ukrainian military jet. The plane crashed in sepa
187 TheSonntag : Civilian airliners dont have IFF anyway?
188 CityhopperNL : I live in Asia and the main occupants of MH are not Malaysians simply because this is a country where people don't have so much financial means to fl
189 Aesma : "Not Russians" like the "non Russians" that invaded Crimea ? Because those were Russians. And of course Putin gives Russian passports to almost anybo
190 difrano789 : It was shoot down. Debries match an in flight break apart. Shame on modern aviation.
191 Post contains images Boeing717200 : Put away your tin foil hat. ValuJet had an onboard fire. If this were hit by a missile, anything caught in the explosion would be completely fragment
192 CrimsonNL : It's MRD. The paint on the right nose-gear door was faded Martijn
193 ytz : Lots of ignorance here about SAMs and targeting chain works.... I certainly would not rule out an accidental firing.
194 AT : Why are there people climbing over the debris? Shouldn't this be a protected area both out of respect and for investigative integrity? Also agree with
195 Web500sjc : Apparently the CNN feed at airports is censored against airplane crashes- currently at ORD and they are talking about the curiosity mars rover. Meanwh
196 Post contains images danman132x : Rest in peace to all those aboard. This truly breaks my heart Very sad day.
197 AeroWesty : This is such a sad and regrettable event, whatever its cause. I hope we don't see more photos posted of dead bodies embedded into posts. People can se
198 Quantos : Without immediately jumping to the "shot down" conclusion, it seems from the pictures and bits of information (as unreliable as it is) that parts of t
199 TheSonntag : However, this comes from an Ukrainian Source. I do not want to play devil's advocate, but I rather not believe anything anymore.
200 flightsimer : It appears it was previously a window. I would say with wreckage being found so far away from the crash site and claims of a missile being fired at a
201 scbriml : Not if the plane that crashed was 9M-MRD, that picture clearly shows 9M-MRC. There's already too many pictures out there to try and cover it up. Even
202 bunumuring : This is simply dreadful. Forget retribution, forget blame. This is simply a time for deep grief, deep mourning and utter solidarity in support for the
203 KarelXWB : According to Dutch tourist agency D-reizen.nl, 25 Dutch people had booked a ticket on MH17. It's not clear yet if everyone was aboard.
204 hivue : So who will conduct the necessary unbiased investigation of this "crash?"
205 Post contains images Mir : Good question. It doesn't appear to be on the airplane in the photos in the a.net database: -Mir
206 KiwiRob : Not just anyone, if you're an ethnic Russian living in a former Soviet Union territory you are entitled to a Russian passport.
207 Pellegrine : This is an escalation, and there are to be severe repercussions that must take place.
208 illinicmi : SKY News has indicated that they also saw the separatists reporting that they had shot down a cargo plane, and it was picked up by a few Russian sites
209 Post contains links flyingturtle : I thought about a missile interrogating the airliner's transponders... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_transponder_interrogation_modes ADS-A an
210 slinky09 : Because its a war zone, and in Ukrainian rebel held territiory. The area is subject to intense fighting with 300+ Ukrainian soliders killed in recent
211 joeytaffy93 : Looks to me like the window blank?
213 JimJupiter : You won't hear them in cities or urban areas. But in the countryside, you can definitely hear an airplane at altitude. This area close to the Russian
214 speedygonzales : The area in question is pretty much in a state of anarchy, so there's no police authority to hold people back. This may unfortunately result in a lot
215 Post contains links ORDfan : Not "Russians" as in not uniformed Russian soldiers or officials. Even some Ukrainian officials are saying it was Ukrainian rebels now, even calling
216 enilria : So was this plane abiding by the restrictions or not? I have a suspicion they were not.
217 KarelXWB : Other Dutch tour operators had Dutch people aboard as well.
218 AT : That's my point. Does any governmental / aviation related organization have the jurisdiction or access to protect and secure the debris field? Withou
219 flymia : Wow this is shocking. And for it to happen to MH and a 777 again as well. Just wow. Right now everything points to a shoot down with the location and
220 na : Of cause you can hear them at cruise altitude. Not in downtown Manhattan, but on the open land no problem.
221 Burchfiel : This is terrible news. My prayers for all the passengers and their families. I also pray that no more deaths will result from this horrible act.
222 penguins : Hopefully metal analysis will prove there wasn't an explosion and no wars or further tension will arise. My condolences to the victims.
223 Miami : Ukraine interior ministry adviser: MH17 was "shot down." Ukraine President: Our armed forces didn't fire at any targets in sky.
224 AviationAware : A Lufthansa spokeswoman has just announced that there was no restriction in the airspace, but that Lufthansa would avoid Ukrainian airspace from now o
225 SamH123 : Has a plane that was at 30,000+ feet ever been shot down from the ground before? I think all the other shoot downs had different circumstances
226 scbriml : No, it's very easy to hear a plane at 30,000+. Despite living in a medium-sized town, our garden is pretty quite and I often hear planes before I not
227 bunumuring : I feel for Malaysia as a nation. We are one with you, Malaysia. Today, we are all Malaysians. MH370 - MH17 - united grief of the world. Bunumuring.
228 LH707330 : Yep. Those pictures remind me of the PA103 pictures. Pun intended? The problem will be figuring out who fired the missile. If the Ukrainians, Russian
229 planespotting : The Sa-11/Buk system is radar guided, so I don't believe the missiles have a seeker - I think they just fly into whatever target the radar tells them
230 Beta : Condolences out to the families! Question: Is NATO still flying air surveillance, signal intelligence, of the area from neighboring proximity? If so,
231 Mir : Appears to be too small for that, and not in the right place. Also, window blanks either the same color as the rest of the fuselage or an off-white c
232 PHX787 : How done is MH? This has to be brutal money-wise.
233 PlaneInsomniac : Do you have any source for this? Because in your link, there is no such statement.
234 JoKeR : Whoever, for whatever reason did this, I hope that your punishment fits your bloody and inexcusable crime. Disgusted! To all Dutch and Malaysian frien
235 iFlyLOTs : State supported. Far from done.
236 flyingturtle : Look up the shot-down of Gary Powers with his U-2 spy plane. It was much more than 30'000 feet. Regarding the USS Vincennes: The Iran Air flight 655
237 DesertFlyer : Well said and so true. What a terrible tragedy.
238 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Another piece: http://twitter.com/plane_spot/status/489816649026273280/
239 holzmann : CIA & DoD have got to watching this area closely. Pull up satellite coverage anyone?
240 YVRtoYYZ : Flightaware took down the routing for today's flight, so I made an earlier request to see if anyone had a screenshot of the route before it was taken
241 liquidair : This is just awful, my heart goes out to the families.... and MAS at this point, indeed the whole of Malaysia. I'd love to know, statistically speakin
242 Aesma : I don't think the uniform should matter, it certainly didn't matter when Crimea was annexed. But it could still be non-Russian Ukrainian separatists,
243 PHX787 : Forgot about that fact.
244 propilot83 : First of all, God bless there souls and have mercy and give patience to the victims families and relatives.....Boeing, NTSB, FAA and other authorities
245 Post contains links SCQ83 : Apparently some passengers on tonight KLM AMS-KUL do not want to fly http://www.telegraaf.nl/tv/nieuws/bi...j_balie_Malaysian_Airlines___.html It will
246 pilotalex14 : I hate being a conspiracy theory dude, but its just to coincidental that its a Malaysian 777. if indeed it was shot down to prove a point or by accide
247 Mir : If reports of their altitude are correct, they were abiding by the altitude restrictions. To suspect that they were not is completely uncalled for wi
248 Post contains links a300 : I agree. It has happened before involving Ukraine! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812 The missile firing was apparently part o
249 747megatop : Seem to be unprecented at least for MH i think...2 aircrafts going down in the same year.
250 United787 : Since the Netherlands is a member of NATO and this plane was travelling from AMS with presumably many dutch citizens on board. If it is proven that th
251 scbriml : Or it's a hole where the blank has been smashed out as a result of falling from 30,000ft.
252 GCT64 : Siberia Airlines flight was at ~36,000ft - most people believe it was shot down by the Ukrainians during an air defence exercise using a Russian made
253 Post contains links Ellehammer : I am also reminded of Iran Air flight 655, the Airbus A300 that was shot down by a US Navy missile cruiser in 1988 because it was thought to be a war
254 sipadan : Putin and Obama spoke this morning about the sanctions being imposed against Russia. On the tale end of the phone call Putin "mentioned" to Obama that
255 francoflier : The question is: who? If what is feared happened indeed happened, some might want the evidence to disappear...
256 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here's the deleted tweet of the separatists:
257 Polot : The blank fell out, that is why it's black- you are looking through the window. The hole appears to be about the same size as the intact blank on the
258 Post contains links KarelXWB : Air France says it has decided to avoid airspace over eastern Ukraine. http://twitter.com/ReutersAero/status/489817810806517760
259 multimark : Shocking and tragic. I hope Ukraine has secured the crash site to prevent pro-Russian forces from tampering with it. The sooner a team from Boeing get
260 scbriml : That's my guess as well. There's an intact blank in the same picture.
261 Mitico12 : All over a pissing contest. Humanity is going to hell in a hand basket. I'm just sick of hearing stuff like this. Here we lose close to 300 lives, abr
262 Post contains links flyingturtle : Extremely strange stuff can happen. These two Air India crashes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_245 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air
263 Post contains links jetblueguy22 : Hi All, This thread has gotten quite long so Part 2 has been created. It can be found here Malaysian Airlines MH17 Crashes In Ukraine Part 2 (by jetbl
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