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User currently offlineRC Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

I was at Quad City International at moline IL. I was just finding some areas outside the perimeter to take some neat pictures, and since this airport isnt very busy i would have to wait a little bit for a plane to fly over.

Well some one called the police and they came over and told me to leave because they didnt want to keep responding to people reporting me.

so i went up to an area were a road ended right at the fence and i parked a few yards away and i sat there for a while.

Then that same officer came up and reported my name and license number to the city, county, and the state of illinoise.

I then said that i was just trying to find some places to take pictures and he started freaking out and said if i was ever found around the perimeter i would be arrested.

He said if i wanted to watch planes i could go over by the ap security building with armed people watching what im doing. You cant see crap over there and if i took out a camera and took a pic. i would be arrested.

does this seem a little overdoing it.

I mean what am i going to do sell pics to a terrorist group. They could come here and get all the pics they wanted.

sorry about this long, but i tend to ramble when im P.O.ed


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User currently offlineN17085 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

Yes it seems a little over the top. What other airports are close to you that you can go to?

PS - Was the officer fat?


User currently offlineSouthRebels From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Yes and no. It's a sign of the times. Keep in mind we are at war. The dozen and a half terrorists that hijacked and crashed the planes were innocent looking people too. Keep that in mind also. Though some people are overeacting, I'll give you that.

User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

I just got back from the Provo Municipal Airport in Utah where the Air Force chartered a Frontier 737-300 for a football game. I took pictures and they said not to so I asked if the guards could take some and they said no, but they were nice about it.


Pershoyu Spravoyu Litaki!
User currently offlineRC Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

I could go to a general aviation airport but i like the big boys.

The officer was not fat but he was really stupid. I call these kind of officers pigs. I was almost tempted to say oink oink when i left.

I also heard the dispatcher say that if im caught there ill be turned into the fbi.

Im not worried about that because i enjoy arguing with pigs. especially when i didnt do anything.

Im more worried about them telling my dad about this.

I dont want him thinking that im that obsessed with airplanes to drive 23 miles to an airport just to watch and take pictures of them.


User currently offlineRC Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

The officer was not nice about it at all. It looked like he was trying to connect me to all this crap that happened because all of a sudden started raising his voice.

He also searched my blazer. I still dont think i look that suspicious sitting at the fence with my parking lights on.

I think i would try to conceal myself better if i was going to do something.

I also think he was looking at me like a typical teenager instead of one that is involved, gets straight a's, and doesnt do much of anything rebelious at all.



User currently offlineAS737900 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

Wow. That is really moronic. I wish I could go spotting, but the road to the good spotting area here in ANC is closed to non-authorized traffic.  Sad I don't know what we're supposed to do... it is really starting to irritate the heck out of me though!

User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Oh yeah I forgot to say, Last week I was spotting and taking pictures of Skywest EMB120s from the parking lot in SLC when all of the sudden I heard a police car turn its sirens on and let out a woop wopp. So I just walked off.


Pershoyu Spravoyu Litaki!
User currently offlineRC Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

oh my gosh i just read the post "security going a bit to far"

My experiance isnt even close to what i went through.

Ill tell you, if some rent a cop, pig, or just a plane dumbass did that to me, I would probly snap and get thrown ing jail for beeting the Sh@$ out of a cop.

I was just about to go nuts because im heard of pigs cutting up seats, slashing tires open, and ripping off your dash board to search your car and not reimbersing you when they dont find anything.

If there are any pigs (stupid cops, not all officers) on here here's a message for you.

@#$% you and go to hell


User currently offlineRC Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

Thanks all for the posts.

ive cooled down a little bit now.


User currently offlineJ_hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Some questions:

Were you on airport property at the time? If so, they have some possible justification...If not and on "public" property, i would wonder what statute/law they would use as reason...

Are there any new rules/laws that deal with this? If so, they haven't gotten much/any coverage in news...

Could you talk to airport management and ask what you could do to be allowed to do your spotting? Maybe they would work with you if asked politely? Maybe not..but always worth a try..



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User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

JDC Growly.. Watch your mouth..  Pissed

I don't like the fact that the spotting locations are being axed, but we just need to give it time..

Chris



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User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

RC Pilot- Two things, do you know what P.I.G. stands for? Pridem Integrity, Guts. The initials asre why we call cops "pigs". Secondly, when the guy searched your blazer, did he ask your permission first? I only ask because two years ago when my son was home from school, he and his best friend were outduring the day and for no reason an unmarked car decided to pull them over(they both said they were not speeding and both had seat belts on-state law here). This guy came up to the car forced both of them to get out and proceeded to start searching the car. Both my son and friend asked the cop, "Aren't you supposed to ask if we mind before you start this?" At that point, the cop got PO'd, angrily said, "just get in the car and get out of here." Unfortunately neither of them got his tag number or we could have persued it further. Anyway, just concerned about you, be careful.

User currently offlineNAAcrew From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 44 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

I dont call this being paranoid, I call it finally being smart. Today the police (NOT PIGS. as you so eloquently called them RC Pilot) and FBI really dont care if you have an interest in aviation. I am sure the flight schools who taught the hijackers how to fly also thought they had an interest in aviation. And you see what happened?

As a crew member, it makes me feel a little bit more secure knowing as we are taxing, taking off or landing, that some nut is not standing there ready to blow us up. And just knowing the police are patrolling airport perimeters, makes you feel somewhat safer.

And wouldnt it have been nice if the security at BOS, EWR and IAD would have maybe been a little bit "paranoid" on 9/11?

Its very much a catch 22 here. People complain if they see security not tight enough, then they complain that people are too paranoid. Which would you prefer?

Skyhawk: I agree that a few years ago they had no right pulling your son over and searching his car. But, I think with all that is going on today, if he was hanging out at the airport, and was told several times that he should leave the area, and didnt, dont you think they would have every right in questioning him and searching his car?

So lets just think alittle before we start calling people too paranoid. And as someone said here, "its the sign of the times".

Safe flying all!
Bob


User currently offlineMilldoh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Let's face it, people ARE paranoid. But maybe to some extent it's not a bad thing. Security appears to be tighter (can't say for sure since I haven't flown since 9/11) and all the civilians are looking for things out of the ordinary. When you have people calling in because someone is taking pictures of planes, I think that's going a bit too far.

After work on 9/10 I went to EWR to spot for a bit. I was in a place I shouldn't have been. A PA cop pulled up next to me and said "You can't be here." I said "OK" and left. That's it. But if I went to that spot tomorrow, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy wasn't so polite. And I wouldn't blame him. It really was the best spot I found, but I haven't been back there since.


User currently offlineDELL_dude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

I've had no problems spotting at PVD, but i've noticed there are fewer spotters since sept. 11th, but that hasn't stopped me.

DELL_dude

MMV+KWR


User currently offlineNAACREW From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 44 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Milldoh: And how did the people know for sure he was JUST taking pictures?

User currently offlineMilldoh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

Because he was standing there with a camera, not a shoulder-fired missile.

User currently offlineCrash 80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

RC PILOT:
I can't believe you can say that about police officers. After what they did on 09/11/01, putting their lives on the line, and taking the ultimate sacrifice for the public. Why don't you try and put a bullet proof vest everyday to goto work.


User currently offlineNAAcrew From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 44 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

Milldoh: I'd make you a bet, that you would be the first person to complain that security was not tight enough, if something happened again.

"and since this airport isnt very busy i would have to wait a little bit for a plane to fly over."

RC Pilot said he was sitting there for a "bit", he never mentioned he had his camera hanging off his neck. Wouldnt you be concerned if you saw someone hanging out at an airport for a "bit" with all that is going on these days, I sure would.

So when a cop tells you to leave the area, you leave. You dont drive up the road and do the same thing again. Yes, I would sure say he was very wrong for doing that.

And anyone who knows about aviation these days, knows security is tight, so you abide by the rules.

And a shoulder missile is not the only thing that can bring a plane down, a hand gun can do the same thing.




User currently offlineVirgina340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

RC Pilot; you are a total looser pal. After what the NYPD did how dare you call us pigs!?! I'm not with NYPD but I served with the FDNY. That comment is personal pal I lost over 340 of my guys along with 35 NYPD and clsoe to a dozen PA cops. You have some gall calling the people who protect your ass pigs. Are you willing to take a bullet? Are you willing to rush into a buring building? Are you willing to sacrafice your life for the person you are trying to protect. Worst thing to happen to these guys is for them to go to work and never come back. thats when their loved one get that dreadful phone call about their dad, son, brother, husband, wife, sister ,etc is not comming home. Have you ever been through that pal!?! We here at NYC are having 3-5 funnerals a day just for the police and firemen alone because of these terrorists.

I think you had better watch what you say because it will be us protecting your thankless ass boy!

Had that security detail been there over 6,000 of my fellow New Yorkers would still be around and the WTC would still be there as I drive over the GWB. Why don't you say that comment to some of the officers at ground 0 and we'll see which one of your legs is the first to give out from under you!



"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineCrash 80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

Virgina340:
well said brother


User currently offlineSouthRebels From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

RC Pilot -- You are seriously out-of-line. You should feel like a piece of shit talking about police that way. Excuse them for doing their jobs and inconveniencing you. Airports and airplanes weren't made so you can go take pictures of them. Sure, it's nice to have that privilege, but that's where you need to understand something. Your spotting is a privilege. The safety of all involved with air travel is a right. The passengers, crew, and everybody else have a right to be safe when traveling by air. If your privilege of spotting is interrupted or taken away to help ensure the safety of all involved then so be it. Stop being a immature baby. Calling police degrading names and telling them to go to hell is so immature. By the way, who cares that you get "straight 'A's'." Is this suppose to make you special or something? I don't understand where that comes from. I want you to go ask someone that lost a mother or father or brother or best friend in the attacks if they care about your desire to take pictures of airplanes being interrupted to help ensure safety. For that matter go into any airport in the country and ask any traveler if they care. I'll bet you they all say they could care less about your spotting. You make me sick, but I can't wait for your response to why you call police degrading names because they were doing their job. You need to grow-up and get your priorities in line.

User currently offlineMilldoh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Milldoh: I'd make you a bet, that you would be the first person to complain that security was not tight enough, if something happened again.

Of course security has to be tighter after 9/11. And I have seen an increase in patrols especially around EWR. I understand and accept that I won't be able to do things around the airport that I used to. I wouldn't have a problem if a cop came up to me and asked what I was doing. If I was taking pictures I would have no problem letting him check out the camera. But if he told me I couldn't be in a public place at or near the airport, it would bother me.

"and since this airport isnt very busy i would have to wait a little bit for a plane to fly over."

RC Pilot said he was sitting there for a "bit", he never mentioned he had his camera hanging off his neck. Wouldnt you be concerned if you saw someone hanging out at an airport for a "bit" with all that is going on these days, I sure would.


I was at EWR today "hanging out." I didn't have a camera. I hardly think that makes me suspicious. That's not something to be concerned about. In fact, a number of times a PA cop car drove by. I waved to the cop and he waved back.

So when a cop tells you to leave the area, you leave. You dont drive up the road and do the same thing again. Yes, I would sure say he was very wrong for doing that.

You're right, if the guy told him to leave, then he should have left. It was wrong to sneak around and try to find another place down the road. But it should not have been an issue in the first place.

And a shoulder missile is not the only thing that can bring a plane down, a hand gun can do the same thing.


So can birds... let's not get ridiculous here.

Good night.


User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3424 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (13 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

the fact of the matter is that security is both too tight and too lax. I work on the ramp, and 3 of 4 of the screeners that work at my entrance (i go through a seperate entrance since i work cargo and don't go near the terminal) are completely incompetant. They are so bad at using the wands i don't even need to empty my pockets of the change, keys, watch i have. people have gone through the checkpoint and later deicovered they had a pockert knife they forgot about several times. my boss got let through without even wearing his badge. they only search drivers going through when they feel like it.
Then on the other side of the spectrum theres people who don't deal with aviation everyday. I suspect it makes them feel like they're doing something helpful and patriotic when they harass innocent people. secutity needs to becom "smarter", and better thought out and enforced at airports. this may take time, but hopefuly soon enough we can both go back to spotting and have decent, reliable screening.



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25 SSTjumbo : Does anyone know if they still let you spot at MDW???
26 RC Pilot : I didnt say that about all cops. If you guys would read my post I said that the cops who are going way out of line to keep security tight. I was not s
27 RC Pilot : also, no he did not ask my permission to search my blazer. he told me to give him my keys and said why and he started going nuts. talking to me like i
28 Cwapilot : Typical little punk. Just like the little brat who gets sent to the principal's office, screaming and yelling at the teacher, bragging and making a go
29 RC Pilot : Listen, I was understanding what he was talking about about airport security and i completely understand that, and i know what being a cop is like. I
30 Growly150 : Who gives what percent of your class you are in, it probably just means that you are one of the people responsible for poverty and starvation in the p
31 RC Pilot : What the hell are you talking about Growly. What makes you think you can tell me im am one of those responsible for that. i work my ass off every day
32 Virgina340 : RC whatever you Freaken name is! I don't care for your comments and personally I really hate it when people use their A's in school to be cocky sons o
33 Virgina340 : I meant to say FDNY evacuted over 25,000
34 2cn : First off, I'm not supporting RCs language used against the police officers, but if you guys noticed, he also stated a fact that supports a good porti
35 AA767Boy : Well, i havent posted for awhile, for fear of being persecuted by others like RC Pilot is now. Cwapilot, Do you know he is like that? Your one of the
36 RC Pilot : He did ask for my license. I dont get where you think im talking about all cops. What he did was wrong. He didnt even ask what the older guy was doing
37 SouthRebels : RC - I think people are getting mad because you were out of line. You admitted that you were and apologized for it, but you keep doing what your suppo
38 5280AGL : I love how some of you people are trying to twist RC's words into something that they are not. Shame on you for bashing him just because he is a teena
39 RC Pilot : Ok all. now i know being a a good studen doesnt mean that you are a good person. I know some real aregant little jerks that are good students. I just
40 Redngold : Hey, cool it, guys. RC Pilot: You have the right to ask for the officer's badge number. The officer should ask you whether you agree to have your car
41 Post contains images Aloha 737-200 : Well, here's what I think about current security around the airports. Right now, the threat of a terrorist attack is still high and will be even after
42 RC Pilot : It was such a tramatising experience i couldnt really think clearly. i respect peoples opinions and there opinions about me. just keep it clean please
43 RC Pilot : Thankyou to you fine people that agree with me and havent twisted my words around and said strong things at me. Im not sure where someone got where i
44 Oflove13 : i just read that some airlines are taking creamers, sugars and sweetners off there planes because of the antrax scare. now how do the flight attendant
45 RC Pilot : Just have everyone naked. lol cant do anything or hide anything then. just kidding of course. I dont want to be persecuted again. I saw this comment o
46 Virgina340 : RC it looks like you didn't read my correction after my last post. DUH! AA767Boy I was quite offended by that idiot. Instead of giving an imediate apo
47 Post contains images DSMav8r : Come on you guys, give the guy a break. I can see where it would be upsetting and frustrating to go through something like this (it has happened to me
48 PSU_DTW_SCE : Alright, but excuse me here, but I think you're just as much in the wrong as those who called the cops pigs, or whatnot. By all means, the NYPD, FDNY,
49 GoAllegheny : Well, I've slogged through about half of the responses and I still don't understand why people are beating up on you for being a good student. I thoug
50 RC Pilot : Boy some people just wont read the damn first post. I dont know where some of you got where i was talking about the nypd and everyone else at ground 0
51 727LOVER : RC pilot, WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
52 RC Pilot : Virgin340, what the hell is your problem. You need to learn how to read. I WAS TALKING ABOUT ONE COP. THE ONE WHO WAS WRONGFULLY CHECKED ME OUT. i thi
53 Virgina340 : RC Pilot and Greg Maybe you should come up here and say that stuff in my face. RC. Why don't you give me the $$$$$ I'm not as rich and spoiled like yo
54 PSU_DTW_SCE : Be nice guys
55 RC Pilot : Listen VirginA340. Why are you being such a jerk to me. I dont know where you thought i was talking about you in my first couple of posts. Are you hav
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