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KLM AMS-YYZ On MD-11, No More 743  
User currently offlineRootsboy From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 111 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

KLM is showing that they plan to switch from a their traditional 747-300 service to an MD-11 daily effective October 28th between Amsterdam and Toronto. Martinair's last 767-300 flight is planned for October 25th.

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User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Offcourse this is sad news since the 743 is a very nice plane (except KLM' poor seat pitch). The good thing is that the MD11 is a plane too.

BTW: do anybody have some info about wich two KLM 743 (one M and one pour pax) that where retired earlier this year?

tg 747-300



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User currently offlineAnsafa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

This is sad to hear, Lots of airlines all over the world are reducing capacity. But Pearson airport seems to be getting lots of cuts. Ie: Air France is bringing a 767-300 instead of an A340, Mexicana has reduced flights to 4 days a week from 7 days, Austrian Airlines & Virgin Atlantic are stopping flights altogether.

Faheem


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

This is for all Canadian airports....demand is dropping when figuring sept11th + a sluggish economy...the pax levels are there, but the yields are not...they'll be back!

For YUL, we are down to the B767-300ER with KLM, after KLM upgraded from Md11 300 pax to 450 pax B747-300.

Mark


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Transatlantic route are tough at the moment, even with smaller aircraft: try to look at the situation with a positive angle, at least the service is being maintained and on a daily service. So many route have been cut back completely, or suspended, that air connections that we once took for granted are now so difficult.

So many transatlantic routes are not operating, look what DL did with its winter schedule. Lets hope for the best.


User currently offlineSpeedbird092 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

I recall seeing MD-11s at YYZ very often during winter months. You'd get the odd 743 but winter service was mainly done be md-11s. I guess the switch is just routine and the 743 will be back in the spring.

User currently offlineAIRNZ_747-800 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Tg 747-300, KLM's PH-BUP was retired this year. Also, PH-BUK might have also been retired. I wish that KLM started using the 743 to IAD now that KLM's Atlanta service has been dropped. We here at IAD do not deserve the sorry Northwest DC-10 for service to Amsterdam. We want size, and you only get size with the 747-300. I sure do hope that I get to fly on a 743 the next time I fly on KLM/Northwest from IAD.

User currently offlineAtwingo From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

We used to get the 747-300 @ IAD in th early 90s,then came the switch. I took the flight in May 93 which departed around midnight!! I wish KLM came back to IAD as well now that we have again lost an airline(SABENA).

User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

Last night I discovered that also PH-BUL (747-206SUD M) "Charles A Lindbergh" was withdrawn from use in April 01. I found this quite sad since i flew on "him" 23/03/01.
Anyone that can confirm this?

tg 747-300



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User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

PH-BUL is still in service and arrived this morning in AMS from JFK as KL642.

User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

That was good news



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

it is BUP that was retired to Mohave. Last I heard it has already been scrapped.


I wish I were flying
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33185 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

AIRNZ, KLM's ATL service was flown using a 763, not a 743.


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User currently offlineJohnnie From Portugal, joined Jul 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

I flew the KLM B-747-300 - YYZ-AMS in 2000. I was lucky enough to get the "A" cabin (nose) with business class seats! Thank God. Have also flown the KL MD-11.
Nice aircraft, and thank God they have the wisdom to
have 3-4-2 seating, as opposed to the horrid 2-5-2.

Mind you, KLM has pretty bad legroom and pitch. My flight from AMS-SFO was TORTURE! AAAAAHHHHHH!
Also, those Flight Attendant uniforms HAVE TO GO.
Sheeeeesh! They look like they were first introduced in 1975!! Very plain and old-fashioned looking.

Johnnie (the in-flight fashion designer  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )


User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

The PH-BUK is also still operating (did yesterday AMS-ORD-AMS and today AMS-DEL-AMS) just as the PH-BUM (today and tomorrow AMS-ORD-AMS) and PH-BUN (today AMS-JFK-AMS).

As for the PH-BUL. This one should have been retired last April. However due to fact that the PH-BUP was at the end of her economic life, KLM decided to retire the PH-BUP and not the PH-BUl (allthough the rumour that this will be the next B747 to be retired)

Regards
Laurens


User currently offlineJohnnie From Portugal, joined Jul 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Martinair does incredible business out of YYZ to AMS.
Their in-flight service is very good, and the B-767-300 series is a beautiful, comfortable aircraft.


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