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User currently offlineHani From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

Hi all,
A quick update on Palestinian Airlines, our dear national airline.
Since Gaza Airport was unilaterally closed by the Israelis, the Boeing 727-200 ended up in Amman badly in need of a D-check. The management is reluctant to invest in the maintenance until GZA is reopened.
The DASH-8-300s are still parked in Austria. The single CRJ-200 which was painted in July waited too long on the Dorval tarmac (Montreal) so Bombardier repainted it in an American carrier's livery prior to its delivery to the same operator.
The options for 3 Boeing 737 NGs are likely to be cancelled.

Limited operations are carried out from Al Arish Airport in Egypt with erratic flights going to all original destinations except Larnaca and Istanbul. Damascus was recently added, no further information is available.
On the long run, the Israeli negotiators have admitted that Jerusalem (Qalandia) Airport is Palestinian and was built by the British FOR the whole people of Palestine. and hence a future final settlement deal would involve sharing the airport. The clock ticks...
The livery was indeed updated, the silly blue underbelly is gone, the a/c are now white with the Palestinian tricoloured feather on the tail.
The website URL was changed to www.palairlines.com
while the older URL will lead you to a pornographic site.
I've been in touch with some of the airline's F50 pilots. Some are extremely unhappy with the way the management is steering the airline through this difficult period. For instance, their benefits were not fulfilled and the promise to wet-lease a/c to foreign carriers on ACMI basis to generate revenues is still not delivered.

It will be interesting to see how the carrier will struggle to survive through the political turmoil.

Regards,
Hani Ali
Montreal, Canada (Palestinian by origin)

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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1341 times:

Thanks Hani for a fascinating report! Please update us on any future developments for Palestinian. Whats their IATA code?

If the PNA and Israel do make peace is their any chance we could see Palestinian flights from TLV or SDV?

Also, when you travel back to the occupied territories, what is the easiest way for you to travel? Do you fly to TLV and then cross the border or do you fly to Egypt or Jordan and cross from there?

Also, would you have reservations flying on LY?

kind regards
TNNH


User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1324 times:

Good report. By the way, what was the old URL address? (joke).

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 1309 times:

yeah i was curious about that too  Smile

User currently offlineHani From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

TNNH:
Your welcome. The IATA code is PF (And no, this code no longer belongs to Indian operator Vayudoot as some sources suggest).
I don't see any flights to/from TLV until at least 6 months from the signing of a final peace settlement.
I've never travelled to the territories, I am originally from pre-1948 Palestine (Galille in the North).
I personally would never fly El Al because that airline practices apartheid. Out of a 1000 aircrew and flight attendants, only 4 are Arabs. The population of Israel is 27% Arab so the airline obviously practices a Jew-only employment policy and continues to hide behind false excuses that Arabs don't apply.
As to reservations, I don't see how any traveller can ever feel secure on board one of their jets given that they are #1 on terrorists target list. They are victim to their govt.'s terrorist policies vis-a-vis Palestinians.

Hani




User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Hani:

thanks for the information about the PALESTINIAN NATIONAL AIRLINE, do you have more information about Palestinian?
Please if you have, send me the information by email.

rjdelpiano@hotmail.com

Best Regards,
RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

or better yet, post it, so we can all have access to it!

thanks
TNNH

PS: The Arab population of Israel (not the territories) is actually pegged at 17% or 1/6, not 27%.  Smile

Thanks again for the info.



User currently offlineTca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

hello guys,

I've a little question...what's a "D-check" ?


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

D-check is a major service, the aircraft is practically taken to pieces on the hangar floor and rebuilt. Very expensive. A lot of the time, an old jet is taken out of service permanently when it's due for one because the cost is so prohibitive.


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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1228 times:

Why are the Dash8 and CRJ-200 being help up? will the 727 and F50 get the new upgraded livery too Confused


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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

PF's livery would look better if they used Beige instead of White as the base Smile


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User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1219 times:




"I personally would never fly El Al because that airline practices apartheid. Out of a 1000 aircrew and flight attendants, only 4 are Arabs. The population of Israel is 27% Arab so the airline obviously practices a Jew-only employment policy and continues to hide behind false excuses that Arabs don't apply. "

Hey Hani
in response to what you wrote above, its called security not apartheidan and how do you explain 4 arabs working for the airline if you say ELAL says arabs dont apply? And ELAL does let arabs fly on their airline.
Let me ask you a question, If an Israeli wanted to work for An Arab airline such as Palestinian Airlines or any other do you think they will let him/her the job? or to fly on their airline? (not to be racist or anything, just trying to make a point).

Also, about Palestinian Airlines flying to TLV.
If you truely believe that ELAL practices apartheid then you can certainly forget about having Palestinian Airlines flying there. Correct?
(once again, not discriminating, just making another point).

May the middle east be in peace
elal106  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineHani From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

Hello Elal106,

>>If an Israeli wanted to work for An Arab airline such as Palestinian Airlines or any other do you think they will let him/her the job? or to fly on their airline? <<

Palestinian Airlines, under improving economic conditions, a prevailing peace, and based in a viable airport (not closed by the Israelis), would certainly hire Israeli expertise to help in the airline. But in an atmosphere of war, and in a situation where the Israeli government bans its own citizens from flying PF, it would be inconceivable for Israelis to be hired.

I think the biggest point we have to make here is that Palestinian Airlines is a method for palestinians to travel in/out of Palestine. If the Israelis go as far as being involoved in security checks at Gaza airport, why do they close the airport whenever there are tensions in the region? PF is not a mechanism for Palestinians to arm themeselves, it's just a way for Palestinians to travel to Gaza. It's quite clear that the reason behind the airport's closure and Palestinian Airlines' problems is political, and not security-related. Of course it just adds to Palestinian frustration with Israel, aggravating the situation.

Palestinian Airlines is a civilian business entity, and to paralyse it is another form of siege on the Palestinian people.

Hani




User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

"PF is not a mechanism for Palestinians to arm themeselves,"

How can you be so sure? If boats can be used to smuggle weapons, so can airliners.

"Palestinian Airlines is a civilian business entity, and to paralyse it is another form of siege on the Palestinian people."

How many Palestinian people can afford air travel anyway?


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

Thats dumb, really dumb, why do the Afghans have Ariana then? why have Gabon bought the 744? why does Swaziland have an airline? what about Butan? Ethiopia? countless other "Poor" nations Confused


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User currently offlineHani From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

You see it's obvious we're dealing with yet more Israeli arrogance and racism when I read statement coming from LY744.

So you're saying Palestinians mostly cannot afford air travel, so let's carry on with the siege and deny the wealthier ones the right to travel freely. Yet more forms of abuses of human rights from the Israeli government.

If the Israelis escort each a/c in and out of the tarmac, and participate in searching a/c and screening passengers, how can those a/c smuggle weapons???
No excuses please.

Hani


User currently offlineRonen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/06/01/israel.explosion.03/index.html

User currently offlineGoAllegheny From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1133 times:

Good post, Hani, and please keep us informed. Not sure what the disco bombing has to do with the closure. It's frustrating in the US that so many people think that this has to be an either/or situation - either support Israel, or support the Palestinians, but not both. I support a strong Israel, and an independent Palestinian state that should have happened years and years ago. Regrettably, extremists on both sides seemed to have control of events. I expect that the same will occur in the US if more terror attacks occur.

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

Unrelated link, proves nothing, and certainly is no basis to prevent Palestinian's from flying Smile


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16280 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

My understandind is that the Dash 8's have never visited Gaza. The closest they got on their delivery was Austria, where they remain. Is this true? Who is/was paying the lease payments?

Neil



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 1112 times:

"You see it's obvious we're dealing with yet more Israeli arrogance and racism when I read statement coming from LY744."

Oh, really? I'm sure you are so much more objective than I am.  Yeah sure
I'm waiting for you to take your words back, BTW.

Look, buddy, you said "I think the biggest point we have to make here is that Palestinian Airlines is a method for palestinians to travel in/out of Palestine." , and at the end, I turn out to be a racist. Sure, some Palestinian people could afford air travel. Further more, how is stating the fact that the Palestinian leadership has been screwing their own people financially for years is racist?! They (the leadership) have been doing everything in their power to stop economical prosperity from coming anywhere near their people.

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 1109 times:

LY744, you are racist. People like you ensure the decades of mistrust and fighting continues today.

And if Israel has such a great economy, how come they need 3+ billions dollars a year in aid from the US? Rising cost of ammunition I guess. If that $3b was taken away not many Israelis could afford to fly either. So I guess they shouldn't be allowed to operate El Al? Yeah right. Get a grip.



fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineHani From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 1112 times:


The Palestinian leadership will do everything in its power to build the Palestinian economy by consolidating resources (both domestically and abroad) and our spirirt of struggle and resistance, in the face of the ugly Israeli occupation of our land.

First we will deal and repel the agressors (Butcher Sharon), then deal with our own leadership's transparency. This will lead to the state of Palestine with its capital being Jerusalem from where we will operate our fleet.

Hani





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