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CX HKG To SFO With Jumbo's  
User currently offlinebabaero From Philippines, joined Jan 2002, 467 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7058 times:

This weekend marks the last 744 scheduled passenger flight between SFO and HKG for CX.

Service commenced on July 1st 1986 and routed HKG - YVR - SFO with 747-200 aircraft

Anyone have registration of aircraft which operated first flight back in 1986

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Quoting babaero (Thread starter):
Service commenced on July 1st 1986 and routed HKG - YVR - SFO with 747-200 aircraft

It was only the short YVR-SFO tag-on sector that was new in 1986. CX had already been operating HKG-YVR for 3 years. YVR was their first North American destination in 1983.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6997 times:

Remember CX dropped SFO after a few years.

They only started going HKG-SFO nonstop in December 1998.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8218 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):

Remember CX dropped SFO after a few years.

They only started going HKG-SFO nonstop in December 1998.

Correct. My father worked in HK for a good stretch of the mid-90s, and when I visited him summers it was always either NW SFO-NRT-HKG or AA/CX SFO-LAX-HKG.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6755 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):

Remember CX dropped SFO after a few years.

They only started going HKG-SFO nonstop in December 1998.

Correct. My father worked in HK for a good stretch of the mid-90s, and when I visited him summers it was always either NW SFO-NRT-HKG or AA/CX SFO-LAX-HKG.

Why didn't you use UA's nonstop SFO-HKG service, inherited from Pan Am in 1983? Pan Am started SFO-HKG nonstop with the 747SP sometime in the late 1970s. That was the first nonstop transpacific service to/from HKG. UA took it over when they purchased PA's Pacific routes and continued using the ex-PA 747SPs until they were replaced with the 744.

I expect the UA SFO-HKG nonstop was one reason why CX dropped SFO for some time after the initial tag-on service from YVR, as the CX route via YVR must have taken about 3 hours longer. CX could also usually fill their flights with YVR traffic so the tag-on 5th freedom sector didn't generate much additional revenue. And transpacific fares then were basically identical to all points on the west coast from YVR to LAX so they got the same revenue for a SFO-YVR-HKG passenger as for YVR-HKG.


User currently offlineSFOA380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

I thought CX dropped SFO after SQ was awarded the nonstop with the introduction of their 744.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5881 times:

Not exactly sure on the timing, but I think SFO got the axe as part of the move to open LAX in July 1990 with then brand new 744 nonstop to HKG.

Also when they relaunched SFO in 1998, it was with the A340, not 744.

A bit of trivia - John Slosar the Chairman of CX today, was a young station manager in SFO when the station opened in 1986!



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5693 times:

Sad to see the 744 go from SFO but CX has grown from SFO from their return in 1998. Even better was the relocation of their North American Headquarters from LA to San Francisco a few years ago. They are in the Qantas/Tiffany building on Union Square.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

I remember watching CX land at SFO from my room at the SFO Marriott, this was July 1989.


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5345 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):

Not exactly sure on the timing, but I think SFO got the axe as part of the move to open LAX in July 1990 with then brand new 744 nonstop to HKG.

I believe that's correct. It was dropped either right around when HKG-LAX started, or shortly after.



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User currently offlinephishphan70 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

My dad was a cargo manager in SFO in the 80's and early 90's before being transferred to LAX when CX pulled out of SFO. His commute was SFO-LAX Monday morning, LAX-SFO Friday evening. Needless to say, it was nice when he left the company and moved back home full-time, but he always says how much he loved working for CX and how great of a company it was/is.
For his 60th birthday, he took my brother and I to Thailand for a week of golf (rough life, huh?). We took CX SFO-HKG-BKK-HKG-SFO on the beautiful 744 on the transpac legs. I didn't realize that would be the last time for me, and as opportunities keep drying up, may have been my last 747 ride....  


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6183 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Also when they relaunched SFO in 1998, it was with the A340, not 744.

Bingo!!! And the flight departed from Americans old E concourse gates. I took the flight in '99

Quoting babaero (Thread starter):
Service commenced on July 1st 1986 and routed HKG - YVR - SFO with 747-200 aircraft

My memory may be a little faded, but was the tag on operated with an L-1011 for some time?



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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 11):
the [YVR-SFO] tag on operated with an L-1011 for some time?

Bet no one can find a timetable showing that.


User currently offlinebharathkv From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

At last CX is changing its old 744 to new 777s. All ME and Asian airlines into SFO are moving towards new aircrafts and it was long time due for CX to remove 747s and put 777s on this route.

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5345 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 11):
Quoting babaero (Thread starter):
Service commenced on July 1st 1986 and routed HKG - YVR - SFO with 747-200 aircraft

My memory may be a little faded, but was the tag on operated with an L-1011 for some time?

Not sure about CX, but perhaps you're confusing them with DL? I know that before the M11 arrived on property, DL was operating PDX-ANC-HKG with the L10's.

Quoting bharathkv (Reply 13):
At last CX is changing its old 744 to new 777s. All ME and Asian airlines into SFO are moving towards new aircrafts and it was long time due for CX to remove 747s and put 777s on this route.

I seem to be one of the few people on this site actually saddened by this move. Yes the 744 is older, but it's incredibly sad to see it disappearing more and more, and being replaced by boring twins. I yearn for the days when airports like LAX were 747 meccas.



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User currently offlineORDJOE From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
I seem to be one of the few people on this site actually saddened by this move. Yes the 744 is older, but it's incredibly sad to see it disappearing more and more, and being replaced by boring twins. I yearn for the days when airports like LAX were 747 meccas.

Agreed, I understand why they are swapping a 77W on this, and yes there are advantages to flying across in that. It is just sort of an end of era. The 777 does not look nearly as iconic as the 747


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8218 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
Why didn't you use UA's nonstop SFO-HKG service, inherited from Pan Am in 1983? Pan Am started SFO-HKG nonstop with the 747SP sometime in the late 1970s. That was the first nonstop transpacific service to/from HKG. UA took it over when they purchased PA's Pacific routes and continued using the ex-PA 747SPs until they were replaced with the 744.

My dad was a big airline fan and traveled for a living for many years - and was not a UA customer at the time. He probably wanted to make sure we were only going transpac into HKG on 'the best', as he used to say.



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User currently offlineSFOA380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
I seem to be one of the few people on this site actually saddened by this move.

Oh I am saddened as well. NZ will follow soon. Soon the 747's will be all European plus UA... Hopefully we will see a KE or CA 748 one day. I'd imagine we'll have a few more A380 operators before long. I am guessing SFO will see the whale from BA and SQ sooner rather than later. As amazing as the A380 is, it does not hold a candle to the 747 aesthetically IMO.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4056 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4828 times:
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How long did CX fly the A340s to SFO? I assume it wasn't too long due to the fuel consumption. Did people enjoy the CX A340s?

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6183 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 18):

Was at least 2 years, from what I remember. I took CX SFO-HKG in '99 and I found it to be very pleasant. But that says a lot for the CX staff which was and still is top notch.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

According to the Db. - July 2002 first 744 picture @ SFO.



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Photo comment also mentions upgauge from A340.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4737 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Quoting bharathkv (Reply 13):
At last CX is changing its old 744 to new 777s. All ME and Asian airlines into SFO are moving towards new aircrafts and it was long time due for CX to remove 747s and put 777s on this route.



It's a great, great shame.



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User currently offlineVCEflyboy From Canada, joined Jun 2014, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3540 times:

I think the CX livery is made for the 747. The same livery on all other aircraft make them look naked and disproportionate, but the CX 747 looks just stunning!

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8218 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3476 times:

^
The old CX livery looked stunning on these birds too, especially with the Union Jack on the tail.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

I think we will also be seeing the last 747 flight to JNB on the 1st, probably only 5 passenger 747s left by the end of the year.


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25 ktachiya : Wait... doesn't CI fly their B744 into SFO? I thought only the additional flights were A340 (seasonal)?
26 tommy1808 : you think they wanted to burn more fuel? By no standard is any a340 a fuel guzzler compared to a 747. Best regards Thomas
27 RayChuang : While CX will fly the 77W between HKG and SFO for now, I expect that once CX takes deliveries of the 779 after 2020, they will assign that plane to th
28 af022 : Why did CX move their offices to SFO? Seems like LAX would make more sense.
29 LAXintl : Their offices were in SF, but relocated down to LA in 1990 when LAX opened. They moved back to SF in 2005. Official reason was they wanted to focus an
30 CCA : HUF operated its last commercial service for CX today as CX507 KIX-HKG, it departs to Manchester on Thursday..
31 S75752 : What's in Manchester?
32 shengzhurou : B-hug will operate the LAST HKG-SFO-HKG flight on cx 870/879
33 Post contains links LAXintl : The scrap man RE: Cathay 744 B-HUD At MAN, Why? (by EK413 Oct 3 2012 in Civil Aviation) =
34 Post contains images warden145 : You're not the only one...it's absolutely heart-breaking for me. I guess that, if I ever have a reason to go to Asia, I'll have to go to LAX and catc
35 Viscount724 : I lived in YVR during that period and never saw anything but a 742 on YVR-SFO. The only way they could have used an L-1011 would have required basing
36 Post contains images enginebird : LH sends their A388s to SFO, but that does not compensate the loss of the 747s 747s are just wonderful planes, somple as that. I am glad there are at
37 Post contains images warden145 : Agreed, and I should note that my comment about 777's replacing 747's was referring specifically to BA's fleet, unless they decide to send an A380 to
38 Post contains images DocLightning : LH also operates an A346 to MUC, IIRC. We came back from Europe on August 15th on the AF A380 and I have to say the A380 is a very nice aircraft (alt
39 Post contains images warden145 : Yep! LH 458/9...but, IIRC LH's 777 order's in part meant to replace the A340's, so while there may be a few good years left, I suspect her days are n
40 DocLightning : The 77X's days are numbered and it hasn't even been built yet! I think the A340s will fly into the 2020s. After all, when is LH to get their first 77
41 flythere : B-HUG~ A Big Hug to SFO as farewell
42 upwardfacing : From that standpoint perhaps NYC would be a better option as a HQ, with JFK an even bigger station and now EWR online? Anyway, I don't know how relev
43 Post contains images johnboy : As we like to say in Northern California....."quality over quantity."
44 Post contains images upwardfacing : Well, New York seems to give Cathay Pacific both quality and quantity.
45 Post contains images AA94 : If I were just another disinterested passenger looking to pass the time, I'd welcome the 777 with open arms. But as someone interested in aviation hi
46 Pellegrine : Sad to see another 744 route go. I was going to try to make this one in J, but can't make it. ;'( In no way did A343s use significantly more fuel than
47 DocLightning : Well, UA could start flying an extra 787 if there's enough butts to fill the seats. Otherwise, we will see what happens to fares. CX's 74K configurat
48 LAXintl : As I recall CX870/879(daytime flight) is now run with 3-class 77W while nightime CX872/873 sees the 4-class. Bit of a split for some reason.
49 upwardfacing : I'm not sure of the relevance of such a move for Cathay loyalists and for passengers intending on travelling via HKG on Cathay to somewhere else. Ano
50 Legacyins : Effective February, CX 870/879 will get the 4 Class 77H 3 days per week, M,TH,S, and the other 4 days will be 77G. Word is there is a lack of 77H.
51 Post contains images Caryjack : I've seen 77A, E, F, L and W used as shorthand for different B-777 models but never G nor H. Is this a 77W with different seating configurations? Not
52 Post contains links BreninTW : 77G and 77H are CX's in-house abbreviations for different configurations of the 77W. 77H -- 4-class 77G -- 3-class
53 murcielago4me : Truly sad to see another Jumbo disappear from San Francisco. I remember travelling SFO - HKG - SFO (CX873 - CX872) in one of these 744s back in 2009.
54 traindoc : My first trip to Asia was to HKG (KaiTak) in 1975 on a PanAm 747. We flew SFO to HKG, however we had to make a refueling stop in ANC as we were carryi
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