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Swiss Leases In 4x E190 To Replace Avro's  
User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1725 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9945 times:

LX has agreed with Helvetic ( 2L ) to lease in 4x Embraer 190 as per December 2014 to start replacing the aging Avro RJ100's.

It has been known for a while that the Avro's are getting older and more troublesome to the airline. With the scope on the delays with the C-series Swiss has agreed to tighten up de relationship with 2L to lease 4 E-190's to replace 4 of the older AR1's. After the arrival of the first C-series the 4 E-jets will remain being leased from 2L and the 4 Fokker 100's currently on lease will be released back to 2L. Cabin Crew will be Helvetic, but the front office will be manned with LX crew.


My question would be, where will those Jungle Jets come from? New? 2nd Hand? etc.

link ( in german ) : http://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft/...ht-der-swiss-flugis-id3087936.html


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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2796 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9865 times:
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I suppose they will feature the Helvetic livery?

User currently offlineReinerS From Germany, joined Mar 2014, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9436 times:

And i booked a trip at the end of december to get the Avro RJ100 which i haven´t flown on till now...   

Would be interesting to know which Embraer it should be? Where do they come from?
Any ideas?



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1725 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

Quoting ReinerS (Reply 2):
And i booked a trip at the end of december to get the Avro RJ100 which i haven´t flown on till now...

Don't worry too much about that. It's only 4 out of a total fleet of 20 AR1's which will be phased out this year.


I have no clue till now where the Embraers will come from. Are there frames available at the 2nd hand market?



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User currently offlineSR380 From Switzerland, joined Sep 2013, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9092 times:
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So then they will have a fleet of E-Jets, CSeries, Airbus and (then) Boeing? It's a lot coming from an airlines that flew volt Airbus metal for so long (taking in consideration that the Avro belong to Swiss European Airlines). Isn't it a waist of monu to operate so many different type?

Maybe the E-Jet will definitely replace the F100 of 2L!


User currently offlineAviationAware From Germany, joined May 2014, 632 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8693 times:

The E-Jets will only feature shortly as a stop-gap measure because the CSeries is so heavily delayed. Several Avros are up for their next C-Check and Swiss is not going to pay for those anymore, so they need a replacement ahead of the actual CSeries deliveries.

The E-Jets will more than likely eventually replace the F100s at Helvetic; but they won't fly for Swiss permanently. So, in the long run, Swiss will only add one net type to the fleet, the 777. The E-Jets are not a fleet addition in that sense anyway, as they are on a full service lease with only the crew coming from Swiss.


User currently offlinen515cr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Quoting DALCE (Thread starter):
My question would be, where will those Jungle Jets come from? New? 2nd Hand? etc.

Isn't B6 looking to get rid of some E190s? I seem to remember hearing that around here more than once or twice.


User currently offlinebendewire From UK - England, joined May 2011, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

Flybe has a few 190's laid up!

User currently offlinetxlbased From Germany, joined Oct 2013, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8035 times:

i wonder why they could´t make a deal with austria´s Niki (HG). they want to get rid of their seven E190 a.s.a.p., even if it´s just a short term lease.


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User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2224 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

Quoting txlbased (Reply 8):

i wonder why they could´t make a deal with austria´s Niki (HG). they want to get rid of their seven E190 a.s.a.p., even if it´s just a short term lease.

LX will not deal with airlines that have a ownership link with Etihad.


User currently offlinepenguins From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7647 times:

I hope that my trip to VCE in March remains an Avro. I'll sure miss them. As I always say, they are the closest thing to a 707 today.

User currently offlinespud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

Sad to see more Avro RJs disappearing from the skies of Europe.

My favourite aircraft.


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

Quoting bendewire (Reply 7):
Flybe has a few 190's laid up!

FlyBE only had Emb-195s


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

Strange that they will replace the planes (ARJ) that were supposed to replace the Fokker 100s (why did the original Swissair get rid of them so quickly in the 90s?) while the F100 still is in service (at Helvetic).

As 4 engines 3 longhaul is a pretty old phrase, 4 engines 4 short haul is meant to be displayed in a museum I guess.

Obvious and logical move of Swiss. Sad to see on my preferred planes (along with the Fokkers and MDs) dissappear.... 


User currently offlineAviationAware From Germany, joined May 2014, 632 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 months 23 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Well they are beautiful birds, especially on the left side window seats where you have great living space due to the 5-abreast Swiss is using...

User currently offlineVCEflyboy From Canada, joined Jun 2014, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 months 23 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

Quoting penguins (Reply 10):
I hope that my trip to VCE in March remains an Avro.

I noticed a direct correlation pattern between the avro being put on the VCE and VRN routes and a dismal state of our national economy. After 9/11 I flew on lots of avro flights both on LX and BA, when the aviation market was on life support. Then again during the financial crisis in 2008/9. And now again. If that is the case, you have no reason to fear.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2989 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (4 months 23 hours ago) and read 4620 times:
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Is there a long wait for new build EMB190's? How quickly can an order be delivered? It seems as if there are very large orders on their books.


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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 months 22 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

There were some former nasair (from Saudi Arabia) around - could be a good source because the only A319 of Helvetic Airways has operated by nasair as well... But an interesting fact is, that Borajet of Turkey also get E190s from nasair - one has already seen in AMM in full colors.

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 months 22 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

Whilst can't be sure i'd expect them to be sourced within the LH Group either from Air Dolomiti or LH Cityline - Could even be those few ex Augsburg machines couldn't they ?

User currently offlineSQ22 From Germany, joined Feb 2012, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 months 21 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 18):
Whilst can't be sure i'd expect them to be sourced within the LH Group either from Air Dolomiti or LH Cityline - Could even be those few ex Augsburg machines couldn't they ?

Air Dolomiti operates E195 and I'm quite sure CL has no spare E190 and if they had some wouldn't it be easier to lease them directly from CL? Cl has actually more E195 than E190.

IQ operated 5 E195 for CL and had 2 E190. One of them went to the aforementioned BoraJet and the other is stored according to planespotters.net.


User currently offlinepenguins From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 months 21 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 15):
I noticed a direct correlation pattern between the avro being put on the VCE and VRN routes and a dismal state of our national economy. After 9/11 I flew on lots of avro flights both on LX and BA, when the aviation market was on life support. Then again during the financial crisis in 2008/9. And now again. If that is the case, you have no reason to fear.

I fly there yearly and only the this year was ZRH-VCE all Arvro. Previously in 2011 it was all A319/20s and in 2012 it was a mix. We got a F100 in there this year, too!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 13):
Strange that they will replace the planes (ARJ) that were supposed to replace the Fokker 100s (why did the original Swissair get rid of them so quickly in the 90s?) while the F100 still is in service (at Helvetic).

At the time Swissair said the operating costs of the F100 (or any other 100-seat aircraft) weren't compatible with Swissair's high cost structure and that the F100 was responsible for a large share of Swissair's losses on their European routes.

They thus agreed to transfer all the 100-seat flying to lower-cost regional partner Crossair which acquired the Avro RJs for that job.

[Edited 2014-08-31 16:53:34]

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11723 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

I have to wonder if this is again linked to LCY's capacity and the C Series size. The current schedule would see Swiss occupy three quarters of all compatible stands, not leaving much room for other carriers who may need it. Leasing E-Jets until the stand expansion is completed avoids any potential problem.


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User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Is there any information which 4 Avro's will be replaced first?

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Am I the only one that foresees LX link ng the 190 and canceling the CSeries order?


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26 Post contains images SASMD82 : I think so yes. LX clearly stated that it looks for a plane that will initially replace the Avro RJ but further down the stage the A319 (and A320) to
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