DALCE From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2007, 1977 posts, RR: 6 Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11272 times:
LX has agreed with Helvetic ( 2L ) to lease in 4x Embraer 190 as per December 2014 to start replacing the aging Avro RJ100's.
It has been known for a while that the Avro's are getting older and more troublesome to the airline. With the scope on the delays with the C-series Swiss has agreed to tighten up de relationship with 2L to lease 4 E-190's to replace 4 of the older AR1's. After the arrival of the first C-series the 4 E-jets will remain being leased from 2L and the 4 Fokker 100's currently on lease will be released back to 2L. Cabin Crew will be Helvetic, but the front office will be manned with LX crew.
My question would be, where will those Jungle Jets come from? New? 2nd Hand? etc.
SR380 From Switzerland, joined Sep 2013, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10421 times:
So then they will have a fleet of E-Jets, CSeries, Airbus and (then) Boeing? It's a lot coming from an airlines that flew volt Airbus metal for so long (taking in consideration that the Avro belong to Swiss European Airlines). Isn't it a waist of monu to operate so many different type?
Maybe the E-Jet will definitely replace the F100 of 2L!
AviationAware From Germany, joined May 2014, 1258 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10022 times:
The E-Jets will only feature shortly as a stop-gap measure because the CSeries is so heavily delayed. Several Avros are up for their next C-Check and Swiss is not going to pay for those anymore, so they need a replacement ahead of the actual CSeries deliveries.
The E-Jets will more than likely eventually replace the F100s at Helvetic; but they won't fly for Swiss permanently. So, in the long run, Swiss will only add one net type to the fleet, the 777. The E-Jets are not a fleet addition in that sense anyway, as they are on a full service lease with only the crew coming from Swiss.
SASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6919 times:
Strange that they will replace the planes (ARJ) that were supposed to replace the Fokker 100s (why did the original Swissair get rid of them so quickly in the 90s?) while the F100 still is in service (at Helvetic).
As 4 engines 3 longhaul is a pretty old phrase, 4 engines 4 short haul is meant to be displayed in a museum I guess.
Obvious and logical move of Swiss. Sad to see on my preferred planes (along with the Fokkers and MDs) dissappear....
VCEflyboy From Canada, joined Jun 2014, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6026 times:
Quoting penguins (Reply 10): I hope that my trip to VCE in March remains an Avro.
I noticed a direct correlation pattern between the avro being put on the VCE and VRN routes and a dismal state of our national economy. After 9/11 I flew on lots of avro flights both on LX and BA, when the aviation market was on life support. Then again during the financial crisis in 2008/9. And now again. If that is the case, you have no reason to fear.
viasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 2054 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5816 times:
There were some former nasair (from Saudi Arabia) around - could be a good source because the only A319 of Helvetic Airways has operated by nasair as well... But an interesting fact is, that Borajet of Turkey also get E190s from nasair - one has already seen in AMM in full colors.
SQ22 From Germany, joined Feb 2012, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5535 times:
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 18): Whilst can't be sure i'd expect them to be sourced within the LH Group either from Air Dolomiti or LH Cityline - Could even be those few ex Augsburg machines couldn't they ?
Air Dolomiti operates E195 and I'm quite sure CL has no spare E190 and if they had some wouldn't it be easier to lease them directly from CL? Cl has actually more E195 than E190.
IQ operated 5 E195 for CL and had 2 E190. One of them went to the aforementioned BoraJet and the other is stored according to planespotters.net.
penguins From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5343 times:
Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 15): I noticed a direct correlation pattern between the avro being put on the VCE and VRN routes and a dismal state of our national economy. After 9/11 I flew on lots of avro flights both on LX and BA, when the aviation market was on life support. Then again during the financial crisis in 2008/9. And now again. If that is the case, you have no reason to fear.
I fly there yearly and only the this year was ZRH-VCE all Arvro. Previously in 2011 it was all A319/20s and in 2012 it was a mix. We got a F100 in there this year, too!
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 28757 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4374 times:
Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 13): Strange that they will replace the planes (ARJ) that were supposed to replace the Fokker 100s (why did the original Swissair get rid of them so quickly in the 90s?) while the F100 still is in service (at Helvetic).
At the time Swissair said the operating costs of the F100 (or any other 100-seat aircraft) weren't compatible with Swissair's high cost structure and that the F100 was responsible for a large share of Swissair's losses on their European routes.
They thus agreed to transfer all the 100-seat flying to lower-cost regional partner Crossair which acquired the Avro RJs for that job.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 12095 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3854 times:
I have to wonder if this is again linked to LCY's capacity and the C Series size. The current schedule would see Swiss occupy three quarters of all compatible stands, not leaving much room for other carriers who may need it. Leasing E-Jets until the stand expansion is completed avoids any potential problem.
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