VS744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1 Posted (11 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 1163 times:
On the news today, it said a man in the US had "accidentally" taken a handgun onboard a US carrier. The man, managed to take the gun "without realising" and as soon as he knew, he informed a stewardess who alerted security.
the gun was licenced, however, he still managed to board.
Does this give you confidence of travelling in the US?
Contrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1820 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 1093 times:
How can anyone have a gun in their luggage and not know it?
The passenger was on a WN flight from MSY to PHX, and the gun in question was a derringer, a pistol that in most cases holds only a round or two. The passenger was questioned but later released. The incident was labled a "mistake". The security screener who allowed the gun through was fired for incompetence.
Another example of how our airports are anything but secure. How long will it be until the FAA wakes up and gets serious about security?
VS744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 1030 times:
So basically, nothing has improved since september 11. I suppose it is easy enough to sack the person involved, but I would put my money on a management/government failure to provide the right sort of training!!
I hope Osama Bin Ladens cronies didn't hear about this!
Virgina340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 948 times:
I've said it beofre. i'll say it again since 1990. Fire those damn lazy burger flippers and put the US Customs, National Guard or State Troopers in charge. It is clear USA hasn't learned from PA 103. Those who do not follow up on their history is doomed to repeat it. It looks to me that every single member of the FAA has failed history on wehat happens when it becomes a beaurocracy and bends backwards for the airline managment bottom line as well as back pedals on aviation security. It's also about time the NTSB has more power equal to the FAA or exceding it.
EWRvirgin From United States of America, joined May 2001, 358 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 930 times:
The only way to eliminate this threat is to do a total hand search of passenger bags and of passengers themselves. Weapons will from time to time make it through an x-ray machine or metal detector without being spotted or detected. However sensitive this equipment is, it is not fullproof.
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 40 Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 927 times:
Quick update: the incident occurred on Tuesday morning. The passenger (supposedly) forgot he had it with him, it made it through security at concourse B (Southwest), boarded the flight, during the flight remembered he had it, told the FA, turned it over to the pilot, was then interviewed by the FBI in PHX, and continued to SAN. He may or may not be charged.
The ITS security guard who screened him has since been fired. As a reminder, with US airports, checkpoint screening is done by the airlines, who pay for the security contractor to perform the screenings. It's all part of FAR Part 108, which details airline security.
The incident did get a bit of play on the local news channels last night.
Tom in NO (at MSY)
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
JonPaulGeoRngo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 899 times:
I thought Barry Switzer learned his lesson the first time.
(for those who don't know, Switzer is the former head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and "accidently" carried a loaded pistol into the airport, DFW I beleive)
Cx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 890 times:
Well, airlines or airport authorities are going to have to start to do profuse hand searches of ALL luggage. Actually, in Monterrey's airport (Mexico), they are already doing it. A special agent is located right in front of the check-in counter, and asks you to open your luggage and reviews it before yo check it. Its time consuming but safety is first!
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 40 Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 867 times:
Again, in the US, checkpoint security is (by law) an AIRLINE function. The airlines are responsible for conducting all passenger screenings. The airport itself does NOT have that responsibility or that authority, and cannot regulate passenger screening.
Tom in NO (at MSY)
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
Klm744 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months ago) and read 856 times:
Why did the guy even say anything. If I was in his position and did not have any intention of using the gun, I would have just kept that little piece of info to myself. The guy made a mistake and now he may face criminal charges because he turned himself in. What was he thinking.
LoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3654 posts, RR: 38 Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 838 times:
(for those who don't know, Switzer is the former head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and "accidently" carried a loaded pistol into the airport, DFW I beleive)
I remember that incident and as I recall he was caught at the security checkpoint and ended up having to pay a fine, and yet this guy at MSY gets on the plane and winds up only being questioned and released, but I haven't seen any mention of him having to pay a fine. What's up with that?
UAL-Fan From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 367 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 812 times:
I totally agree with Virgina340. US Security is a total joke!
I predict it will take at least one, if not two more disasterous hijackings to wake people up. The sad thing about Americans is that they love to forget. Just get on with life as usual as if nothing ever happened. Oh yes, be sure to hop right back on planes again so the Airlines don't go belly up. Never mind if the Airlines or the Government have done virtually nothing to insure our Safety.
I am a frequent flyer and have been on 5 r/t flight since 9/11. The "I don't care, it could never happen again" attitude people have just freaks me out.
CPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5755 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 805 times:
Perhaps because he mentioned it before he was caught. The feds, I presume, are pretty flexible in regards to punishment when you turn yourself in, compared to when you're caught.
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6211 posts, RR: 74 Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 798 times:
Last night, CGK security searched my bag because of a few slides! If the Xray in a 3rd world country can pick out my slide as a metallic substance and the metal detector picked out a box of slides in my pocket, why can't a US security checkpoint pick out a gun?
This worries me... A LOT.
Mandala499
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Speedbird092 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 795 times:
I'm sure its all a mistake but just an observation... .
the man carrying the gun is lucky that he reported his gun as opposed to the security guard catching him with it.
J_hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 763 times:
I heard that Burger King has higher standards than security...and higher pay!
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 737 times:
All I hear is this BS! Get back on the planes! Get Back on the planes! Oh poor airlines and their millions! We'll what about the millions of hard working Americans that pay their hard earned $$$ to get from point A-B without getting hijacked, shot, stabbed or crash into a building! Again The FAA needs a major clean house, Get the NTSB in charge and force the airlines to do a task not negociate like the FAA.
Penguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 975 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 721 times:
hey there was a guy at COS who took a 12-gauga two barrel shot gun through two security checkpoints.
25 Copter808: It would appear that the "system" has failed again! Let's consider for a moment, the reality of what probably happened. Irregardless of how much the s
26 LoneStarMike: There was an earlier thread on this incident and I asked some questions, but unfortunately they didn't get answered, so I'm going to ask them again (p
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