ILuvYak40 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1232 times:
I'll be travelling on an NW/Mesaba Jetlink Avro RJ (=BAe146?) soon, and this'll be my first time ever flying that aircraft. I'm sure a lot of you have flown this plane before, and I just wanted to know what you thought about it.
How are the legroom and noise levels compared to other NW aircraft used on those routes... say such as DC-9 and A320? Is there a best place to sit on the aircraft that any of you prefer? (Right now I'm assigned to 11E and I'm looking to change that!) Anything else special I should know before flying this "Jumbolino"?
N17085 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1165 times:
I love the BAe146. I flew on a UA Express one, it was great. Although it was a short flight, it was great. The 4 engines give it a lot of thrust and just power it into the air. The legroom was fine all and all. I loved the performance of the plane. It was great! Have a great trip.
BAe146 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 161 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
My Father flies the Air Wisconsin/United Express BAe 146's, and I of course have flown on them many times. It is truly a wonderfull plane, and I'm suprised no other RJ manufacturer has tried to copy it.
HSVXJ From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 228 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1110 times:
I've flown about 100 segments on Mesaba ARJ-85s since I started working here. And I LOVE them!! The passengers rave on them.
The best seats are definitely the first two rows in first class. In the third or fourth rows, engines pretty much block everything from view.
In coach the best row is the very last. There is a little more leg room and you also get an unobstructed view. Anywhere past row ten you're okay as far as the view, but the further back you get, the less distortion and blurriness you get via the engines. And, in the back, you can actually watch those enormous flaps go down (along with that famous groan) before landing.
In coach (if you can't get an upgrade) sit in 15A or 15F.
Great plane. Powerful takeoffs. Smooth as silk landings.
VapourTrails From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1103 times:
Oops! I have not given this aircraft good recommendations on A.net in previous posts!
It's my personal experience and even though I have only flown on it twice from this pax point of view it is noisy especially in the back, the engines obstruct a lot of the view from certain seats, and it may feel cramped if you are tall. It's the only aircraft I've flown on so far where I have felt slightly ill afterwards, mainly due to a pressure-type headache.
I have heard certain cases of flight & cabin crew getting sick or having ill effects when flying on this aircraft. It has something to do with the air quality & circulation of the cabin air during flight. I wouldn't say my experience was this bad, but I do try to avoid flying on it if I can.
In it's defence! however I must say the landings and take-offs were really good and it's seems to have good stability during the descent and mild turbulence and doesn't sway like some aircraft do.
Chrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1931 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1088 times:
I've flown the 146's many times, mainly with AirCal, and PSA, back "in the day."
Anyway, the OC ones were quite nice inside, although they were loud. Another thing I remember was the size of the plane. Perhaps the Avro is different, but the 146-200 was -very- small...the celing was low, and it was hard to squeeze into the can...
RoyalDutch From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 917 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1071 times:
Ive flown it (mesaba, actually!) and It was really nice...except for the fact that on both flights, it smelled like they'd forgotten to empty the toilet...disregarding the smell, its a nice plane. I sat behind the wing, and got to see all the control serfices work and stuff...from underneath, which isn't something you see often. All the seats have a nice view, too...because of the high wing.
BH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1070 times:
I've flown on a Mesaba Avro twice, and I loved it both times. Mesaba's RJ's have 33" of pitch which is 2 or 3 inches more than most planes, and the seats are very comfortable. And it's a very quiet plane, too.
Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3656 posts, RR: 29 Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1050 times:
My colleague HSVXJ hit the nail on the head! I"m a first officer for XJ on the Avro and although I usually sit up front... waaay up front in the prize seats, the FC cabin is the best if you can get an upgrade. If not, the rear of the a/c is best. Bigger overhead bins than the middle of the a/c due to the fuel tank, large seats, unobstructed view etc... The rear is a bit liud though due to the air intake valve in the rear ceiling above the aft FA's jumseat. If the crew puts the air in FRESH it will be more quiet, but that isn't standard procedure, so don't get your hopes up. This a/c is a dream to fly and the pax rave about it when they deplane. It is wider than a DC9 so you won't feel like you're on an RJ. Have fun and maybe I'll actually be flying your plane!
Pgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 791 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1042 times:
I have flown Mesaba's ARJ only once and that was on the early morning MSP-PIT run. It was a very enjoyable experience plus I got the back row. I loved that plane also because "it dared to be different." I enjoyed looking up at the wings and having a clear view down below. I dont have anything bad to say about the ARJ. I found it to be much more roomy then NW DC-9's.
LAPA_SAAB340 From Spain, joined Aug 2001, 389 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1020 times:
Yak40, I had a chance to fly on Mesaba's Avro RJ's several time and I loved it. It's a very nice flying airplane, very roomy and quiet, it won't feel like you're on a regional jet. If you happen to seat next to the engines, your view might be somewhat restricted, but it's not bad at all. The only one fault I could find with the airplane were the noise levels in the cabin when the flaps are deployed. It's not loud really, but it might feel so in contrast to the noise levels during cruise, since the plane is so quiet. All in all it's a great airplane, I'm sure you'll enjoy flying on it. And if that weren't enough, it also 'dares to be different' as some people pointed out earlier. Have a nice flight!
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3656 posts, RR: 29 Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 997 times:
The flap noise everyone hears, which is definitely a strange one is only when the flaps move between 0-18 degrees. This happens in both directions due to the air flow that occurs in the small space between the wing and the flaps. Think of it as a whistling noise due to rushing air. ONly is sounds more like a freight train or a t-rex roar. Very odd... but that makes the chubby unique! GOtta love her...
YAK: I don't know my schedule for 11/21, as I am on reserve due to the cutbacks. But, if I get called to fly, I'll send you an email. Not sure where 3559 takes you though... we'll see.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 37 Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 960 times:
Trident 3 is right.
How can you complain at the engines, when you are flying or even on the ground, why would you want to look up, what is there up. when you are in the air you only need to look down, and the engines don't obstruct your view enough to not see anything when you are on the ground.
'Longreach' - you should hold QF responsible for the engines being in front of your window, and i don't know about tiny legroom (i thought there was more on QFlinks 146's than there was on BA/QF 747's) and who needs entertainment on such short segments when there is so much cool landscape to see???
Do you really love flying at all? Or do you just want to moan at it..
Woah, that was a crazy personal attack, i must be a bit temperamental this evening.
Its a cool little aircraft, only problem is the toilet (you'll find out why, although i don't know whether they changed it for the Avro's). The flaps and landing gear was the best part!!
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3656 posts, RR: 29 Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 945 times:
Mirrodie: the avro still flies 2 daily flights to HPN and 1 I believe from DTW. ROC and BUF might get Avro flights as well. WE're going back to PWM for November. Don't look for too many new places the Avro will go. NW is giving all the love to the CRJs at Express right now. The game that NW is playing continues. Airline Chess, where Express and Mesaba are the game pieces.
25 Ntcrawler: One thing I should add, when the landing gear opens on a Bae-146 you feel one serious kick, more noticeable than on most other commercial aircraft. So
26 Mirrodie: AZJ, thanks! Funny but after my last post, I searched HPN's website and got that NW operates HPN-DTW and HPN-MSP. Too bad the fares are astronomic. Kn
27 Craigy: I flew in a Crossair RJ100 from ZRH to BHX several years ago. Nice and roomy, leather seats and only about 10 pax on board. Fast and nippy - the aircr
28 Samurai 777: The BAe 146 is a nice plane. I like flying on those things, and I've flown on them several times mostly on the Edmonton-Vancouver route, mainly on Air