Karliboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 254 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1755 times:
In an article at www.icbirmingham.co.uk, the BHX-DXB service has been hailed as its most successful route in its 16 year history...by Emirates themselves...beat that manchester!
757man From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 370 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1492 times:
I'm surprised to hear this.....How come they dropped the Tuesday inbound from DXB? Plus, they are only flying low density A330s into BHX at the moment.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1417 times:
italics = article, plain = me
Long haul's flying success Oct 26 2001
A prestige long haul air route between Birmingham and the Middle East was today declared as the most successful ever operated by the airline concerned.
A spokeswoman for Emirates said the Birmingham-Dubai route had proved to be the best ever in the 16-year history of the airline.
"We had high expectations when we started the route and we have not been disappointed - in fact, rather the opposite," said the spokeswoman.
"This has been the most successful route that Emirates has ever operated anywhere."
Totting up the CAA statistics for Jan to July:
MAN-DXB 101,012 pax average of 238.24 per flight, a rise of 4.68%
BHX-DXB 69,189 pax. Not worked out average.
"There has been some reduction in the number of people flying since the events in New York, but nothing too significant.
"In general we are still very satisfied.
"Those airlines that have been hit more are the ones that operate a Transatlantic service and Emirates does not. It also has the advantage of offering so many routes around the world from Birmingham via Dubai.
"Many of the passengers flying from Birmingham to Dubai then fly on to India, Africa and even Australia."
The spokeswoman said the airline had only stopped its Tuesday service from Birmingham - the flight normally operates seven days per week -because it was traditionally such a quiet day.
"The number of passengers on Tuesday flights has traditionally been low because Thursday and Friday is the weekend in Dubai,so by the time businessmen travelling on a Tuesday arrive there is only one day of business before the weekend.
"For that reason other days are far more popular among the business fraternity and that is why we have not operated Tuesday flights recently, but this will be reviewed at the end of this month."
And in the meantime, we, the vastly underperfoming MAN, continue to have DAILY flights.
And the reported flying programmes for the two airports:
Manchester.
Normal A330-200 High Density operation throughout the month, except for the 4th, 9th and 10th when it will be a B777-200 High Density. Tuesday 6th and 13th operates as EK8036 via Birmingham and this is likely to continue on subsequent Tuesdays.
Birmingham.
Normal A330-200 High Density operation for most of the month, except for the 1st, 5th, 8th, 12th, 17th, 19th, 22nd, and 29th when it will be an A330-200 Low Density. Tuesday 6th and 13th operate as EK8036 through from Manchester and although not yet finalised, the same is likely on subsequent Tuesdays.
Karliboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 254 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1363 times:
hey ...you wanna argue figures or success of a flight manchester boy then take it up with Emirates...after all, the information comes from them not me!
David boy, 200 and something or other and counting what?
What a schmuck!
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1352 times:
PanAm747
If I could breakdown the DXB-LHR route into how many went of Emirates and how many on BA, I would have posted it.
Of course, Emirates fly 3 times a day between DXB and LHR, so we can imagine they carry at least 3 times as many as they do through BHX i.e. about 210,000 passengers.
I think we need to know the precise defintion of "most successful" to actually know what we're debating.
Emirates777 From Tanzania, joined Feb 2000, 655 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1314 times:
I think the main reason for the non-op of the Tuesday flight is that Wednesday provides poor connections from Dubai for people connecting thru DXB. In fact this is also why during the downturn, DUS and ZRH flights were not operating.
MAN has outperformed BHX by a mile this year. The stats show that. Also MAN is waiting for the 2nd daily, well ahead of BHX. While this might be pushed back a few months due to the incidents of Sep. 11 and general travel apprehension, i have no doubt that MAN will get the double-daily ahead of BHX.
KHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1609 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 1279 times:
Everyone out there.....i think it would be wise to stop arguing now...If Emirates777 says that MAN is more successful then take it from me, he must be right. The guy is an authority on EK.
Boeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 1278 times:
I said its DXB-Whitehorse. They operate it every 6th Friday to coincide with the Mecca Iditarod Competition from February 1st to July 1st, then they restart from July 5th-July 10. Then thats it till the following December when they operate it only on Christmas day.
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2572 posts, RR: 59 Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 1270 times:
You're right Boeing757fan, everyone else is wrong!
A friend of someone my grandma once met flew Dubai-Whitehorse and the flight was full both ways, the same lady flew Dubai-Heathrow and there were 2 spare seats in economy going out, and a spare Business seat flying home, so it's pretty obvious that Whitehorse is a more successful route than Heathrow for Emirates...
EGBB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 1250 times:
I am sure what Emirates are saying is that the BHX service is the most succesful route it has ever started ..i.e first year of service ..no way can you compare BHX to MAN which has now been in operation for many years...any new route takes time to build up..The question is what were the PAX numbers on the first year on the Manchester service?
BlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2515 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 1222 times:
Why do people always get on here and turn things into a regional slanging match ??
That article has more spin in it than a washing machine.
All credit to EK for making BHX a success. However, as has already been posted on here, the statement has been reproduced out of context.
EK were referring to the fact in its first year of operation, BHX has been the most instantly successful NEW ROUTE.
What also wasn't reported in the article is the fact that the BHX route's success is due to revenue from freight and not from pax.
And before you start getting personal and throwing your toys out of your pram Karliboy, the stats speak for themselves. Anyone who resorts to insulting fellow posters has already lost the argument.
Shamu
So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 14 Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 1204 times:
Derek
We can't do a fair comparison becuase Emirates began operations in November 1990 on a twice weekly basis and increased frequency over the next 7 or 8 years to make it daily.
BHX has been lucky inasmuch as getting new flights operating at frequencies which took MAN years to achieve (CSA to Prague being another prime example!).
OO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
It is not about load factors.
I think the most successful route has more to do with the money. Maybe MAN has more passengers than BHX but BHX may have much business travellers who pay more for their ticket. This way the company makes more profit. And what about cargo etc..??
Brum A330 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2001, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 1191 times:
Why cann't some people accept the BHX service has been a huge success in its first year.Birmingham has its own catchment area and there is life outside London And Manchester.David you are taking this too serious.
BBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 1114 times:
Could someone please tell me where Whitehorse is?
Thanks
25 757man: After reading the article on the icbirmingham website, it is clear EK mean that BHX-DXB has been the carriers most profitable NEW route, as someone el
26 Karliboy: Here Here! 757MAN....couldn't have said better myself!
27 757man: EK service from BHX-DXB is currently averaging 90% loads according to one of the BHX discussion sites
28 David_itl: 757man Yep...the cake is big enough for both our airports. Hopefully, more airlines will actually open their eyes to the possiblities away from LHR a
29 GKirk: Anyway NCL is a much friendlier airport than MAN and BHX. BTW Any word of GLA getting Emirates service in the next 2 or 3 years???
30 Karliboy: acting your age and always getting the last word springs to mind IT boy
31 Karliboy: Actually David...i've had enough of this! Please accept my apologies for dissing Manchester. Peace and harmony SHALL prevail between us best regards K
32 757man: Moving away from the topic of Emirates, I noticed the first of two BA767's arriving at BHX for long term storage yesterday. I think one of them was G-
33 David_itl: As far as I'm aware there are 2 747s and a 767 at MAN (I'll have to find out the registrations). As long as they are gone before a certain event next
34 GKirk: Nothing at Newcastle. What about GLA or PIK?? CWL has a few (7?)742s.
35 David_itl: We appear to have lost everything we had to CWL Future "interesting" ? Suppose this'll do: if you're in this area on Friday evening, you can see the
36 757man: A Tarom A310 appeared at BHX earlier, we don't get many of them appearing. Another nice airliner I like to see is the first CRJ-700 for Maersk, althou
37 TakeFlightVA: Hey, EK made substancial profits on this route when it began in December 2000 and themselves were very shocked at the demand this service required. Mo
38 GKirk: Is it next wednesday that the A340-600 visits MAN??
39 David_itl: It is allegedly! Daytime (think it's mid-morning) on Wednesday and for the night-hawks around 1am on Thursday. David/MAN: who won't see it!
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