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Qantas Chooses Boeing 738 Plus AKL-DFW Flights  
User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Qantas Buys Boeing 737-800s
Sydney, 28 October 2001 :

Qantas Airways Limited said today it had selected the Next Generation Boeing 737-800 aircraft to add immediate capacity to its Australian operations.

Qantas Chief Executive Officer Geoff Dixon said agreement had been reached for an initial order of 15 aircraft.

Options had been taken on another 60 aircraft to progressively replace existing 737-300 and 737-400 aircraft and to provide for growth.

The first aircraft would be in service in January. The remainder of the first 15 aircraft would be progressively introduced between February and July 2002.

Mr Dixon said Qantas had worked closely with Boeing and its oneworld™ alliance partner, American Airlines, to facilitate the speedy introduction of the aircraft.

The aircraft will come from existing orders that American Airlines had in place with Boeing.

"American Airlines will assist Qantas with technical advice, simulator training for pilots, spare parts and engines," he said.

Mr Dixon said the new aircraft would have Qantas interiors, more spacious cabins, more headroom and larger windows. They will be fitted progressively with new slimline seats.

The new aircraft will enable Qantas to meet the demand created by the collapse of Ansett Airlines and to provide for growth in all sections of the Australian tourism industry.

Mr Dixon confirmed that, as announced last week, the Boeing 737-800s would be the cornerstone of revamped Qantas domestic operations that will feature:

- the new aircraft, with an all economy class configuration of at least 165 seats, operating on services where there is small or no demand for business class travel;
- reconfiguration of a number of existing Qantas Boeing 737 aircraft to create a total fleet of about 40 all economy class aircraft;
- flights between Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane operated by larger, two class, wide body aircraft (Boeing 767s or Airbus A330s);
- regular two class Boeing 747 services between Perth and the East Coast of Australia and on long haul leisure routes;
- a significant increase in direct flights between capital cities with fewer stops at ports in between;
- an extension of the extremely successful Cityflyer service, which currently operates between Sydney and Melbourne, to Brisbane;
- expanded Qantas Club lounges;
- enhancement of the Frequent Flyer program with additional partners such as Diners Club.

Mr Dixon also announced that Qantas had decided to enter into a 10-year strategic alliance with American Airlines, the world's largest airline. Details of the agreement will be finalised in the next few weeks and will involve:

- Qantas using American Airlines specifications as standard for the replacement of the Qantas single aisle fleet (for example Boeing 737s), creating opportunities for short-term leasing between the airlines to cater for peaks and troughs in demand;
- Joint purchasing;
- Qantas progressively relocating to the American Airlines terminal at Los Angeles airport;
- Qantas commencing Auckland-Dallas-Auckland non-stop services when the new, long range Boeing 747-400 is delivered in late 2002. Dallas is a major worldwide hub for American Airlines, particularly to all major North American and South American cities;
- Expansion of the codeshare agreement between the two carriers;
- Expansion of the Frequent Flyer agreement.

Mr Dixon said Qantas had made a huge financial commitment to purchasing the new 737-800 aircraft despite real concerns about Government decisions to subsidise both the operations of Ansett Mark II and the expansion of Virgin Blue.

"As an airline, we have been outspoken against Government ownership of airlines, which is the ultimate form of subsidy in the international market," he said.

"We now see Governments and prospective Governments of all persuasions subsidising and proposing other assistance to our domestic competitors, one of which collapsed through management failures, overmanning and outmoded work practices.

"To subsidise particular airlines on selected routes will create distortions that could harm the industry for years to come.

"Using taxpayers' funds to prop up our rivals is the antithesis of what has been preached in Australia about competition in recent years," he said.

Mr Dixon said that after six years of very effective performance for Australia as a fully privatised company, it was not realistic to expect Qantas to prosper if its competition was subsidised.

"The national interest will not be served by limiting Qantas' chances of success in an attempt to artificially prop up less competitive players.

"Australia still has two domestic airlines and competition, capacity and a wide range of discount fares are re-emerging quickly," he said.

Mr Dixon said it was obvious to all observers that the industry needed to consolidate, and would indeed consolidate, and the practices that have hampered its development for years and harmed efficient carriers would only be further exacerbated by subsidies.





30 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Gee Aussie, it seems great minds think alike. I just posted the same thing only seconds after you did.
Never mind.

Regards

Qforever


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

I beat you by 33 seconds!!!!!  Smile

User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

OK, you win then. You got there first, so its yours.
Tell me, are Qf getting winglets with that?

regards

qforever


User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

yaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!



User currently offlineMEA From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

It seems like CCQ wasn't part of the agenda when QF made their decision & chose the B738 over the A32S. How successful is this practice & has it proved to be a cost saver?

The AKL - DFW flights should be interesting. Does anyone know the range between the 2 cities & how long it would take to fly there & back?


User currently offlineHSV From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

SYD - LAX is 12036km and AKL - DFW is 11998km so I guess it will take about the same time, about 13 to 14 hours.

User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

the new aircraft would have Qantas interiors, more spacious cabins, more headroom and larger windows.

Larger windows? My pet peeve about the 707/727/737/757 is that the window tops are about even with my chin. I end up with a crick in my neck after riding one. So, are there any details about these larger windows? Will the window tops be any higher?

The big picture windows were a great feature of the DC-8, until airlines started reducing the seat pitch


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Congratulations to Boeing, good decision by QF.

Wirraway


User currently offline'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2281 times:


I take it no PTV's on these?


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5344 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Awesome news!
Man AKL DFW aswell non-stop awesome! Can't wait for both the new 738's and AKL DFW.

Scott.  Smile


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Couldn't the 747-400LR do SYD-DFW nonstop???

Surely they would were it possible...


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

'Using American Airlines specifications'

Does this mean MRTC? I hope so  Smile

The Coachman



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User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Can't wait to see them in QF colours

User currently offlineMadhatter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Are these 737s going to be 737-838 or 737-823. If they are taking over the AA order could it be they will have to keep the 737-823??

User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

yes, I agree with Kiwi Dave and I cant wait to see 737 800s in QF colors....but at the same time I would love to see A320s in QF colors too !!!! oh well.

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

On the shortest possible route, AKL-DFW is about 6500 miles and SYD-DFW is about 7400 miles...a regular 744 could fly both of those flights...

Greg



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User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Hopefully, the AKL-DFW QF flights will do better than ANZ's AKL-LAX-DFW flights in the 80's.

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3967 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2071 times:

I am glad to see that QF is 'Going with Boeing'!

As for the DFW flights, yeah well, I give it a year and a half at best! regardless of the AA fortress. Look at KE and JL they are dumping DFW with no guarantees that they will return, per a report the the Dallas Morning News!

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 935 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2032 times:

ANZ's DFW service was flown LGW-DFW-PPT-AKL.

User currently offlineN17085 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2027 times:

Awesome 738!!!!! Also that DFW flight will be great.

User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Awesome!!!!


Work Hard But Play Harder
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

AKL-DFW? Why not SYD-DFW? I don't think AKL-DFW will last. SYD-DFW could. I would think that the planes would be at DFW for a while, so why not extend the flight? AKL-DFW-ORD? AKL-DFW-MIA? AKL-DFW-JFK? Without either the flight originating in SYD or continuing to another city, I don't think it can last long.


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User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Wow, I guess Qantas and American are getting even more closer to each other.
I think this route may work this time. Us330,keep in mind that Dallas/Ft. Worth wasn't as developed in the 80s, and even until the late 90's, as it is now. I think the route could work, but not daily though.

MAH4546- You have to keep in mind that every airline doesn't have to serve MIA. Sometimes MIA doesn't work. As far as I am concerned, there would be no point for QF to extend the flight to MIA unless they wanted to piss off American really badly. AA already has 1 or 2 widebodies on the route.
rgds,
blink182




Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Blink, it's just a suggestion and nothing more. I know very well every airline does not need to serve MIA, I just think that for DFW to be succsesful, it shoudl either originate in SYD or continue elsewhere. ORD, MIA, and JFK are the three best places for it to continue, all being major AA/oneworld airports. Although I don't see how it would make AA upset (as if that matters. If QF can make money running DFW-MIA/ORD/JFK extentions, they will). QF extend's one of thier LAX flights to JFK, and JFK-LAX is one of AA's most imporant routes, and I believe they dominate this route.


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25 RAAFController : Hi all, Does anyone know the end reasoning behind why QF went with Boeing and not airbus? I'm sure it was to do with price, existing infrastructure et
26 Yyz717 : Price and financing are always components of the picture. Obviously, the A320 and the 738 were closely matched and both very capable for the role. I t
27 PSU_DTW_SCE : Its all about the oneworld alliance. Obviously AA & QF were doing some talking under the table.
28 Wirraway : Melbourne "Herald Sun": The jets feature up-swept winglets that are manufactured by Hawker de Havilland at its Fishermens Bend plant. The winglets inc
29 Post contains links and images Baec777 : I had recently found out from ANZ that AKL-DFW will be operated by United thru LAX. Im glad Qantas is doing the route non-stop with a B747-400LR, but
30 Wirraway : "Sydney Morning Herald": Qantas lines up with American for 10 years By Geoffrey Thomas Qantas Airways has announced a 10-year strategic alliance with
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