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Qantas Goes With 737-800  
User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Here is an article I got off the Qantas website: www.qantas.com:

Qantas Buys Boeing 737-800s
Sydney, 28 October 2001 :

Qantas Airways Limited said today it had selected the Next Generation Boeing 737-800 aircraft to add immediate capacity to its Australian operations.

Qantas Chief Executive Officer Geoff Dixon said agreement had been reached for an initial order of 15 aircraft.

Options had been taken on another 60 aircraft to progressively replace existing 737-300 and 737-400 aircraft and to provide for growth.

The first aircraft would be in service in January. The remainder of the first 15 aircraft would be progressively introduced between February and July 2002.

Mr Dixon said Qantas had worked closely with Boeing and its oneworld™ alliance partner, American Airlines, to facilitate the speedy introduction of the aircraft.

The aircraft will come from existing orders that American Airlines had in place with Boeing.

"American Airlines will assist Qantas with technical advice, simulator training for pilots, spare parts and engines," he said.

Mr Dixon said the new aircraft would have Qantas interiors, more spacious cabins, more headroom and larger windows. They will be fitted progressively with new slimline seats.

The new aircraft will enable Qantas to meet the demand created by the collapse of Ansett Airlines and to provide for growth in all sections of the Australian tourism industry.

Mr Dixon confirmed that, as announced last week, the Boeing 737-800s would be the cornerstone of revamped Qantas domestic operations that will feature:

- the new aircraft, with an all economy class configuration of at least 165 seats, operating on services where there is small or no demand for business class travel;
- reconfiguration of a number of existing Qantas Boeing 737 aircraft to create a total fleet of about 40 all economy class aircraft;
- flights between Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane operated by larger, two class, wide body aircraft (Boeing 767s or Airbus A330s);
- regular two class Boeing 747 services between Perth and the East Coast of Australia and on long haul leisure routes;
- a significant increase in direct flights between capital cities with fewer stops at ports in between;
- an extension of the extremely successful Cityflyer service, which currently operates between Sydney and Melbourne, to Brisbane;
- expanded Qantas Club lounges;
- enhancement of the Frequent Flyer program with additional partners such as Diners Club.

Mr Dixon also announced that Qantas had decided to enter into a 10-year strategic alliance with American Airlines, the world's largest airline. Details of the agreement will be finalised in the next few weeks and will involve:

- Qantas using American Airlines specifications as standard for the replacement of the Qantas single aisle fleet (for example Boeing 737s), creating opportunities for short-term leasing between the airlines to cater for peaks and troughs in demand;
- Joint purchasing;
- Qantas progressively relocating to the American Airlines terminal at Los Angeles airport;
- Qantas commencing Auckland-Dallas-Auckland non-stop services when the new, long range Boeing 747-400 is delivered in late 2002. Dallas is a major worldwide hub for American Airlines, particularly to all major North American and South American cities;
- Expansion of the codeshare agreement between the two carriers;
- Expansion of the Frequent Flyer agreement.

Mr Dixon said Qantas had made a huge financial commitment to purchasing the new 737-800 aircraft despite real concerns about Government decisions to subsidise both the operations of Ansett Mark II and the expansion of Virgin Blue.

"As an airline, we have been outspoken against Government ownership of airlines, which is the ultimate form of subsidy in the international market," he said.

"We now see Governments and prospective Governments of all persuasions subsidising and proposing other assistance to our domestic competitors, one of which collapsed through management failures, overmanning and outmoded work practices.

"To subsidise particular airlines on selected routes will create distortions that could harm the industry for years to come.

"Using taxpayers' funds to prop up our rivals is the antithesis of what has been preached in Australia about competition in recent years," he said.

Mr Dixon said that after six years of very effective performance for Australia as a fully privatised company, it was not realistic to expect Qantas to prosper if its competition was subsidised.

"The national interest will not be served by limiting Qantas' chances of success in an attempt to artificially prop up less competitive players.

"Australia still has two domestic airlines and competition, capacity and a wide range of discount fares are re-emerging quickly," he said.

Mr Dixon said it was obvious to all observers that the industry needed to consolidate, and would indeed consolidate, and the practices that have hampered its development for years and harmed efficient carriers would only be further exacerbated by subsidies.











Issued by Qantas Public Affairs (2547)
Media Contact:
Michael Sharp 0408 480 145
Email: qantasmedia@qantas.com.au


So tell me, are QF planning to buy these aircraft with the optional winglets??

Thanks for your mature posts in advance.

Regards,

Qforever

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User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

Well, all the news we've been waiting for, everyone thought that it will be the 737's that will take over. If AA asked for the winglets than maybe QF might get them. It's good to see a new fleet in Australia as well. Shame the A320 wasn't picked but maybe AN might get a few more to get rid of the aging 737's if they are getting old. not sure about that.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

It was obviously a close contest and could have gone either way. Maybe QF will order some -700's down the line to replace the 733's.

Regarding AN Mark II, if they are truly interested in operating a tight ship...they should probably keep the 733 in service. The 733's are not old and have a good 15 years of life left.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

The thing that really surprised me was the AKL-DFW non-stop.

I suppose this will go SYD-AKL-DFW? or MEL-AKL-DFW

I'm very hopeful of one thing though.

Notice it said 'following American Airlines specifications'. Does that mean MRTC in QF 738's? I hope so!

The Coachman




M88, 722, 732, 733, 734, 73G, 73H, 742, 743, 744, 752, 762, 763, 772, 773, 77W, 320, 332, 333, 345, 388, DH8, SF3 - want
User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

AN is dead

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

I'm also surprized at the AKL-DFW route. There's no way this will last. Incidently, ANZ actually flew to DFW briefly in the late 80's.

Despite the AA hub at DFW, the majority of Aus/NZ traffic to the US is the west coast, not the east coast.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Could you please explain what MRTC is?
My 737 knowledge leaves much to be desired!

thanks,

qforever


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

I was thinking the same: what is MRTC?

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1927 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

I sure hope Qantas doesn't move to the AA terminal at LAX like the article said. I'm a big fan of both airlines, QF especially, and it's part of the thrill going to the International Terminal and seeing your QF 744 sitting there amongst other airlines from all corners of the world. I love seeing 3 QF tails at a time at the International Terminal. I'm just being very picky, but I have my set ways.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineMarara From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 678 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

AA introduced MRTC a while ago it is 'More Room Throughout Coach' about 35 pith isnt it?


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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1927 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Also... will DFW-Auckland be longer than LAX-SYD or LAX-MEL?


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User currently offlineBove From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

MRTC = "More Room Throughout Coach"

Its AA's much-hyped effort to increase seat pitch in Y-class by removing 1 row of seats from the aircraft, increasing average pitch from 33" to 35".

Personally, I never notice the difference and I doubt QF will be too keen on the idea (seeing as how they want to fill this thing to the gills)


User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

MRTC is caused me to spend a couple of thousand dollars with AA this year. 35"+ legroom on evrey plane is more than enough to keep me coming back.

More Room Than Competitors.



I can drive faster than you
User currently offlineBove From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Can QF's 733's and 734's fly coast to coast (e.g. SYD-PER).

I'm sure the amount of traffic justifies the 767 and 747's (on domestic legs of international routings) but I'm curious nonetheless. The 738 would certainly offer that kind of capability.


User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

This was good news for Boeing. I'm realy glad QF choosed the 737NG, but can't realy understand why they didn't go for the 320 due to their 330 order. (that ofcourse should have been b764 or 772)

BTW: How can the aircraft get bigger windows?

tg 747-300
Anyway



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User currently offlineBove From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Qantas Picks Boeing for Upgrade
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SYDNEY (Reuters) - Qantas Airways Ltd said on Sunday it has chosen 15 Boeing Co (news/quote) 737-800 aircraft over rival manufacturer Airbus' A320s, and taken options on 60 more planes as it boosts capacity to cope with heavy domestic demand.

The flagship carrier also inked a 10-year strategic alliance with AMR Corp (news/quote)'s American Airlines, which would see the two carriers expand codeshare agreements and Qantas share Los Angeles terminal space with the world's biggest airline.

Qantas, which dominates 85 percent of the A$10 billion (US$5 billion) domestic market since the demise of rival Ansett Australia, said the fifteen new aircraft ordered were part of a

A$1.5 billion upgrade announced earlier this month.

``The new aircraft will enable Qantas to meet the demand created by the collapse of Ansett Airlines and provide for growth in all sections of the Australian tourism industry,'' Qantas said in a statement.

The first airplane will come into service in January.

The rest of the planes, which originated from existing orders placed by American Airlines, would be phased in from February to July 2002, said Qantas.

The airline recently raised A$450 million through a share placement to help fund the purchase.

The options on 60 additional aircraft, 20 more than originally expected, would be used to gradually replace the existing 737-300 and 737-400 aircraft in Qantas' core fleet of 111 Boeing planes.

Engines, which account for about a quarter of the value of each plane, would be provided by a joint venture of General Electric (news/quote) and French state firm Snecma.

PENCILS SHARPENED

Neither Qantas nor Boeing would give details on discounts negotiated on the next generation jets.

But Aerospace analysts have suggested the discount could be in the region of 25-30 percent as airlines around the world shed capacity and put new orders on ice after the September 11 air attacks on the United States.

``They were aggressive offers. In today's world, after September 11, things have slowed down a little bit,'' Doug Groseclose, Boeing's senior vice president of international sales, told Reuters.

``I'm sure both companies sharpened their pencils,'' he said, adding the catalog price for the 15 plane order was around US$910 million.

The beleaguered U.S. aircraft manufacturer lost the lion's share of Qantas' US$4.6 billion 10-year upgrade announced almost a year ago to arch rival Airbus SAS.

Qantas placed orders in November 2000 with Airbus for 12 of its A380 superjumbos and 13 A330s and with Boeing for six of its longer range 747-400s.

Groseclose said Asia remained one of the strongest areas for Boeing, which recently secured an order for 30 737 jet liners to China and hopes to have more Chinese orders in the near future.

The aircraft manufacturer said it also saw opportunities in the revitalization of Ansett Australia, which is up for sale after being put into voluntary administration by former parent Air New Zealand in September.

But while Qantas is beefing up its capacity, other carriers in Asia including Singapore Airlines (news/quote) are looking to defer aircraft deliveries.

``There have been some carriers in Asia that have asked us to take a look and we are working with them on that, but there's no major changes in their delivery schedules,'' Groseclose said.

Shares in Qantas, in which British Airways Plc (news/quote) has a cornerstone stake, closed Friday's session down nine cents at A$3.84, but are hovering around their highest levels since January.

Airbus is majority owned by multinational aerospace group EADS.


User currently offlineCFM-56 From Finland, joined Sep 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

This was good news for Boeing Smile I hope Qantas will also
go for the 739 sometime..but I don't understand that "bigger windows" thing,what would that be good for??? On a 737 the windows are just fine  Big thumbs up

"In thrust we trust" CFM56


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

The thing that interests me is BA's position in all of this. They opperate the A32x family for shorthauls. They own 25% of Qantas and have some sway with them. Yet Qantas go for an aircraft specifically opperated by AA.

A few weeks ago there was talk of BA selling out of Qantas. As much as a bad situation AMR is in, I wonder if there is more to this...

I wish Boeing would update this onto their page - just cos they lost the JSF doesnt mean they have to go to pieces with their website...

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

BA will only have 22 percent stake soon anyway. Australia is moving less away from England, and here is another side of it, QF probably would rather do business with AA

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Another thought just hit me. Who else operate 738s in this part of the world? Air Pacific and Polynesian. Both of whom have close ties with QF (QF owns something like 42% of Air Pacific, I am unsure whether it has equity interest in Polynesian). Perhaps signs of even closer relations between Qantas and its Pacific allies. It would be interesting to see Qantas absorb its pacific allies, having it compete toe to toe with Air NZ int hat arena. I imagine some countries wouldnt be too please about their flag carriers succumbing to the white tailed rat, however...

Regardless, this seems to be an interesting time for Qantas. Lets just hope they dont get a taste of their own medecine and get run out of business by the competiton...

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineOz777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

What you have to remember is that AA want to defer deliveries and QF was in a position to take them up.
I suspect some cross leasing here, and the fact that Airbus was never a real contender - it was just window dressing.

Forget about Boeing showing it as an order. All QF are doing is taking AA's aircraft off the showroom floor. AA may some way down the track, order more 737's - then and only then will there be a new "order".

As to the larger windows. BS!! The drawings for the B737NG show the same window as the earlier ones, unless they are taking deliveries of a/c with B777/B767-400 style windows. I do not think that is actually an option.

Oz777


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Another thought:

The 737 is the aircraft of choice in the low cost market. Last weekend Qantas was talking about cuting operating costs. Perhaps Qantas are getting spooked by Branson more than they are letting on - obviously it wont be as easy to buy him out as it was with other airlines in the past.

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

another interesting point: the QF press release stated that AA specifications would become standard on it's new narrowbody fleet(for example 738). I gather there is some chance of other Boeing types among the 60 options,such as 752s and TWA 717 options. I don't think AA operate 73Gs or 739s.
To me QF are committed to be a dual-supplier airline and therefore try to maximise the discount they get for each new order.
Oz777: the SYD-AKL-DFW situation surprises me and makes me think this really is a new genuine QF-AA strategic alliance. Another site has just mentioned that AA owe QF big time now and expect QF to gain SFO slots when the US market picks up again. I'm still buggered as to why QF didn't order the 772ER/LR as the rumors were suggesting last year( and I for one know a 777 order was excruciatingly close). The 777 was touted in it's -200LR form of being able to fly SYD-DFW non-stop, which I imagine would be preferable to a via AKL service.

Dale.


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

How many 717 does QANTAS have? I think about 6

User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

QF have stated as well as these first 15, they are
going to convert their current 737s to one class
bringing this fleet up to 40, QF further state that
these aircraft will not fly SYD-MEL, MEL-BNE, SYD-BNE,
as they will use widebodies in 2 class, my question
is, what regional and holiday routes in Australia could
possibly utilise 40 737s full time, as we all know QF
at present do use 737s on the BNE-SYD-MEL triangle,
just had an hour with Aussie map, I can't see how
they could use this capacity.

Wirraway


25 The Coachman : I don't see how SYD - OOL, DRW, CNS, Hamilton Island, Mackay, Rockhampton, HBA, LST, CBR, ASP and MEL - to those destinations can be 40 B737's... seem
26 Marara : mmm, maybe QF plan to get down and dirty in NZ. Where else can they use these extra planes?
27 BNE : I think 15 plus a further 40 737s sounds about right. 50 is a little optimistic. Currently Qantas has 737-476 -22 737-376 -16 so theres 38 Ansett had
28 Wirraway : BNE Yes, I can see your 38, but if you check a QF timetable you will find a lot used on the SYD-MEL-BNE triangle, the routes I can see them using: BNE
29 PSU_DTW_SCE : Considering that AA is delaying 29 of 45 deliveries for 2002, I'm assuming QF is going to be taking the delivery slots for those 738's. Basically just
30 Aussie_ : Howver QF has stated it will use 767s on MEL-ADL and SYD-ADL. That will cut out at least 5 or 6 737s from your plan wirraway... ADL needs business cla
31 Bove : What you have to remember is that AA want to defer deliveries and QF was in a position to take them up. I suspect some cross leasing here, and the fac
32 Wirraway : Aussie If your right that QF will also use only widebody 2 class on Adelaide from SYD and MEL, that makes one wonder even more where they will use 40
33 Oz777 : As to the number of B737's in the fleet, there are several strategic changes in the way that QF will be operating. First: With the launch of "Australi
34 Wirraway : Oz777 What you say makes a lot of sense if they went all Boeing buying at American Airline discounted prices. As I understand this 10yr agreement, dur
35 Post contains images Lubcha132 : its gonna look nice white w/red tail
36 Jetkid : Wirraway, I assume your kidding! QF's service in New Zealand to date has been shocking, traveled with them last weekend and I wont be going back, rega
37 QANTASforever : I think it would be very nice for spotters in Sydney and Dallas to take a look at some QF and AA ac in their respective airports. Very nice indeed.
38 Oz777 : I very much doubt that there will be hybrid colour schemes at either operating region. From my understanding there will be very little "seasonal" vari
39 Dalecary : Oz777, what QF/BA complementary fleet apart from the 744s and some 734s? The 763 are powered by different engines but as QF now have 7 ex BA RR powere
40 Trvlr : I am not sure if QANTASforever's question has been answered yet, but a Boeing press release today confirmed that Qantas had specified the blended wing
41 LHMark : This is a great thread. 40 posts and everyone's still having a civil, informed discussion without slinging mud! Props to all! -Mark
42 Boeing in pdx : QANTAS winglets will be made in Melborne by Boeings Austrila division
43 The Coachman : The winglets feature prominently in the QF ads in the Sydney Morning Herald (SMH). Dale, a B737-900X with 20 more pax = B757 capacity. It'd have to ha
44 Dalecary : Coachman, the proposed 737-900X has larger emergency exits to allow greater capacity and beefed-up MTOW for greater fuel capacity/range. There are oth
45 QANTASforever : YAY! WINGLETS!! I wonder If they will be red or left silver, a trivial question I know, but you gotta love those little livery details.
46 Post contains links Marara : WANNA HAVE A LOOK !!!!!!!! Click Here !!!! http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2001/photorelease/q4/pr_011029a.html Sorry my school has disabled right
47 Wirraway : QF 800 looks good, now I wonder if the Virgin Blue 800 due to be delivered in 2 weeks will also have winglets. Wirraway
48 QANTASforever : YAY!!!! it looks awesome, I was trying to work out before how I would tell the difference from the 733 734 and 738 from a distance, but now with the w
49 Aussie_ : As far as I know the Virgin -800 will not have wonglets but I am not 100% sure of that...
50 Post contains images Marara : Beautiful.
51 QANTASforever : And also one of my more sucessful posts. thanks everyone for your great replies and keep em coming!
52 Post contains images RayChuang : I'm not surprised that QF bought the 737-800 instead of the A320-200. With the Aviation Partners winglets fitted, the 738 has a range of over 3,000 na
53 VS744 : Just putting this back up the top to get rid of CXFA posts
54 Greg : I haven't read a lot of the press..so indulge me if I'm repeating someone else. What are the chances of other NG models complementing the -800 series?
55 Post contains images The Coachman : Ray, It can get very hot anywhere in Australia in summer. Melbourne and Sydney, usually the coolest parts of the country, regularly hit 38 degrees in
56 QANTASforever : I've lived in Sydney many years and have only known it to reach 38 degrees only once or twice. I guess it depends where you live e.g: western sydney c
57 QFTJT : Would really Qantas want to buy A320's over heavily discounted 737NG’s? They already operate the Polynesian 737-800 so they are ready for them e
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