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User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 674 posts, RR: 4
Posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Hi recently visited Pearson International Airports website http://www.lbpia.com and on the schedule they showed that Singapore Airlines arrives at 8:00pm on Sundays from Heathrow. I was wondering if Singapore Air actually brings their planes to Toronto and if they do what plane do they bring (777, 747 or a340?)

Thanks,
BA777-236


I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

I believe it's a codeshare with Air Canada. Singapore Airlines used to fly to YYZ via SEA (?) some time ago but discontinued the route, however it wasn't because the route wasn't profitable, there were some other complications with the Canadian government.


Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

It's currently a code share.

SIA did fly to YYZ in the early 90's with 3 weekly 744's routing YYZ-AMS-VIE-SIN with FFR on all segments.

Neil/Toronto




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Marco, it was Thai that flew to YYZ via SEA, at first with the 743 and then with a Thai A310 based in SEA solely for the SEA-YYZ route connecting to a 743 in SEA. FFR on the SEA-YYZ route of course. Incidently, that Thai A310 was a former Wardair A310 (previously YYZ-based itself)!

Neil/Toronto




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineSQFFP From Canada, joined May 2001, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

Would this be a codeshare out of flights from LHR or CPH? What would happen if AC does not fly to CPH anymore?

I heard rumour that says AC will soon terminate the service to CPH, is that true?

I, personally, would like to see SQ flies again to YYZ, since in that case I won't need to connect either from ORD, EWR, or JFK to travel to SIN....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineNicolasrolland From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

It is definitly a code-share via London...
It's a aircanada flight...

but would love to see sq in YYZ or YUL :-P
hehe

Cya
Nicolas


User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

SQ has codeshare rights on Air Canada between Copenhagen-Toronto and London-Toronto.

The Copenhagen-Toronto service is an AC/SK/SQ codeshare and, if it is terminated, all would agree to it. If it is a profitable route and one member cannot operate it, another could pick it up assuming they had the rights. SK has rights on this route.

All current services between Singapore and Canada are operated by ministerial note as there is no current bilateral agreement between the two countries. The bilateral was abrogated by Singapore because they felt AC was more successful with their fifth freedom rights between Europe and Singapore than SQ was between Europe and Canada. This was when the two airlines competed against one another.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

SQ1007 is quite punctual. I watch it (BBC Ceefax 443)


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

Thanks for refreshing my memory Neil. Gosh isn't it sad how so many airlines have pulled out of Canada?

Regds




Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

SQ has not pulled out of Canada. They continue to serve Vancouver with their own aircraft.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Polaris, you are correct...I'd forgotten about YVR....the thread started with YYZ and hence my focus.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

But Air Canada doesn't even fly to Singapore!! So why did they make noise?

User currently offlineSin777er From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

They were stealing passengers from Vienna and Amsterdam?

User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

Air Canada used to fly Toronto-London-Bombay-Singapore with fifth freedom rights.

In addition to their Pacific route to Vancouver, SQ used to fly Singapore-Vienna-Amsterdam-Toronto with fifth freedom rights. Someone may wish to double-check the en route stops between Singapore and Toronto.

Air Canada's services among London-Bombay-Singapore were more successful than Singapore's services between Europe and Toronto. The Singapore government felt this was unfair and abrogated the bilateral agreement.

It was not Canada that "made noise", it was Singapore. No one was "stealing" passengers. Both carriers had full traffic rights. It's just that one was more successful than the other.

I guess Singapore didn't notice that it had the Pacific route to itself.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33273 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 1386 times:

AC's last flight from Copehagen arrives in Toronto today. AC will end CPH service.


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Polaris is correct....the SIA route to was SIN-VIE-AMS-YYZ.

Neil




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

I have to disagree with Polaris on this one. I was in YYZ/YVR when all the AC/SQ & respective governments fiasco came about.

It WAS Air Canada who was nudging the Canadian government to cancel SQ's traffic rights to Toronto. It wasn't so much as the full payload SQ was carrying to YYZ but rather AC was complaining that SQ should only carry passengers from SIN and not pickup passengers from VIE and AMS. They claim that SQ was pilfering possible passengers who could have otherwise travelled on Air Canada. Interesting fact then was that neither AMS or VIE were served by ANY scheduled Canadian carrier!

AC withdrew from BOM/SIN on its own accord. As usual, yield came to light and AC decided that even though its flights were full between LHR/BOM/SIN, it was not making enough money on the route and axed it. So by being a sore loser, it didn't want SQ enjoying glory status when it announced its first Transatlantic flights to YYZ then. It was actually in the early 90's!

SQ decided that it was not feasible to fly to YYZ without picking any passengers enroute when the Canadian government cancelled their 5th Freedom rights for VIE and AMS.

For years, SQ and AC 'hated' each other. So it was very interesting to see that they are codesharing now due to both being in the STAR alliance.


User currently offlineSin777er From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

They sound like Greedy Pigs! Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud
(No offence to Canadians)
It just sounds like it!


User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

You know, to me, the "politics" of aviation is always fascinating. The more information that comes to light the better!

...and now, past competitors operate the route together.

As it stands now, because of all this, there is no bilateral between Singapore and Canada.


User currently offlineCarmy From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

Polaris: Do you mean bilateral relations or open skies agreement? As far as I know, both countries are members of the Commonwealth and furthermore, Singapore has a High Commision in Toronto and Vancouver, whilst Canada has a High Commision in Singapore. Whether they've got formal bilateral relations or not I don't know 'tho.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Canada & SIN have no bilateral agreement regarding air traffic rights.

When you hear 'bilateral' on this forum, it always means air traffic rights, as opposed to general trade.

Of course there is trade betw Canada & SIN. Indeed, at the recent APEC, Canada & SIN announced plans for a liberated trade agreement.

Neil



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
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