Ba777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 5 Posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1393 times:
Hi recently visited Pearson International Airports website http://www.lbpia.com and on the schedule they showed that Singapore Airlines arrives at 8:00pm on Sundays from Heathrow. I was wondering if Singapore Air actually brings their planes to Toronto and if they do what plane do they bring (777, 747 or a340?)
I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4168 posts, RR: 17 Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1325 times:
I believe it's a codeshare with Air Canada. Singapore Airlines used to fly to YYZ via SEA (?) some time ago but discontinued the route, however it wasn't because the route wasn't profitable, there were some other complications with the Canadian government.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16110 posts, RR: 57 Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1290 times:
Marco, it was Thai that flew to YYZ via SEA, at first with the 743 and then with a Thai A310 based in SEA solely for the SEA-YYZ route connecting to a 743 in SEA. FFR on the SEA-YYZ route of course. Incidently, that Thai A310 was a former Wardair A310 (previously YYZ-based itself)!
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Polaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1133 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1246 times:
SQ has codeshare rights on Air Canada between Copenhagen-Toronto and London-Toronto.
The Copenhagen-Toronto service is an AC/SK/SQ codeshare and, if it is terminated, all would agree to it. If it is a profitable route and one member cannot operate it, another could pick it up assuming they had the rights. SK has rights on this route.
All current services between Singapore and Canada are operated by ministerial note as there is no current bilateral agreement between the two countries. The bilateral was abrogated by Singapore because they felt AC was more successful with their fifth freedom rights between Europe and Singapore than SQ was between Europe and Canada. This was when the two airlines competed against one another.
Polaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1133 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1139 times:
Air Canada used to fly Toronto-London-Bombay-Singapore with fifth freedom rights.
In addition to their Pacific route to Vancouver, SQ used to fly Singapore-Vienna-Amsterdam-Toronto with fifth freedom rights. Someone may wish to double-check the en route stops between Singapore and Toronto.
Air Canada's services among London-Bombay-Singapore were more successful than Singapore's services between Europe and Toronto. The Singapore government felt this was unfair and abrogated the bilateral agreement.
It was not Canada that "made noise", it was Singapore. No one was "stealing" passengers. Both carriers had full traffic rights. It's just that one was more successful than the other.
I guess Singapore didn't notice that it had the Pacific route to itself.
GuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 836 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1109 times:
I have to disagree with Polaris on this one. I was in YYZ/YVR when all the AC/SQ & respective governments fiasco came about.
It WAS Air Canada who was nudging the Canadian government to cancel SQ's traffic rights to Toronto. It wasn't so much as the full payload SQ was carrying to YYZ but rather AC was complaining that SQ should only carry passengers from SIN and not pickup passengers from VIE and AMS. They claim that SQ was pilfering possible passengers who could have otherwise travelled on Air Canada. Interesting fact then was that neither AMS or VIE were served by ANY scheduled Canadian carrier!
AC withdrew from BOM/SIN on its own accord. As usual, yield came to light and AC decided that even though its flights were full between LHR/BOM/SIN, it was not making enough money on the route and axed it. So by being a sore loser, it didn't want SQ enjoying glory status when it announced its first Transatlantic flights to YYZ then. It was actually in the early 90's!
SQ decided that it was not feasible to fly to YYZ without picking any passengers enroute when the Canadian government cancelled their 5th Freedom rights for VIE and AMS.
For years, SQ and AC 'hated' each other. So it was very interesting to see that they are codesharing now due to both being in the STAR alliance.
Carmy From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 627 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1064 times:
Polaris: Do you mean bilateral relations or open skies agreement? As far as I know, both countries are members of the Commonwealth and furthermore, Singapore has a High Commision in Toronto and Vancouver, whilst Canada has a High Commision in Singapore. Whether they've got formal bilateral relations or not I don't know 'tho.