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What Is Purpose Of 737-900?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6623 posts, RR: 20
Posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1925 times:

Doesn't it overlap with 757-200?


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User currently offlineBobMD11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

as fsr i know

longer range
more PAX

but flyable for any 737ng pilot


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

you forgot: better looks, (probably) better fuel-economy, maintenance commonality with other 737 NGs.


I wish I were flying
User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Alaska Airlines being the launch customer wanted fleet comonality with their other 734s and 737-700s as well as needing more capacity.....although they probably dont need it right now!

The 739 is limited in its capacity by the number of emergency exits, thus not allowing a high density single class layout for charter ops, this is where the 752 has the advantage. Someone here can tell us what the limit is for the 739 (with its EE limitation), I think its in the 180pax range while the 752 can carry upwards of 220 in single class layout.

I heard that AS pilots were concerned about the 739s apparant tendency to tail strike on t/o in the simulator due to its short legs and L O N G distance between the main landing gear and tail. I dont know if this has become an issue in reality or not. What I do know is this: When I worked at Alaska Airlines, you could go out and check the tail "bumper" on any of their 737-400s and they were ALL scraped! Who knew that tail strikes happen so frequently. During the time I worked there, only one such incident was publicized within the company because of a rather severe weight and balance/loading error in Oakland.


User currently offlineBove From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

739 offers the ability to cram in 15 extra pax for the same operating costs as the 738. Most airlines don't need this kind of capacity on an aircraft this size and those that do usually prefer widebodies to carry this amount of people.

I think the maximum certificated capacity of the 738 is 189. In charter configuration you could fit many more but this is not allowed...thus she won't be a hit with charter carriers.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

739-Y189 max
752-Y239 max
753-Y279 max



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User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

738 - Y189 max, same as 739.

This is one reason why the 739 is so unpopular. SAS, for example, chose the A321 even though they have lots of 737NG's, and presumable that was one resaon why.


User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

The 737-800 has 28-29 rows of seats. The 737-900 has 32 rows of seats. I Like the 739 in CO Colors better.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

Boeing wanted to offer a 737NG compatible aircraft to compete with the A321. The 739 is a minimal-cost stretch of the 738...by keeping the number of emerg exits the same, they could reduce the cert/manufacturing cost. Hence the 739 has the same max capacity as the 738. This will make the 739 unattractive to charter carriers who are able to fit 189 into their 738's. However, the 739 will be attractive to sked carriers who, with a first class section, will usually come in below 189 seats anyway. KL, AS, CO all seat betw 167 & 178 on their 739's. The minimal stretch of the 739 also limits encroaching on possible 752 orders.

The 739 also uniquely bridges the gap betw the 738/A320 and the 752/A321....no other aircraft is in this segment.

Neil/Toronto





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6826 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

The 757-200 and A321 really don't compete in the same segment. The 757-200 carries considerably more passengers than an A321 in a comparable configuration (i.e. 239 vs. 199 in a one-class configuration). The 757-200 also has considerably longer range than either the 737-900 or A321.

The purpose of the 737-900 is to provide a product which directly competes against the A321 (with similar range, passenger capacity, and compatibility with an existing narrowbody family).


User currently offlinePAL33 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

To Battle the A321?

User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

The A321 is really inbetween the 739 and 752 in capabilities.

- It is longer than the 739, but shorter than the 752.
- It has more emergency exits, so it can have more passengers than the 739 (the A321 can carry 199 in a generous 32" pitch, more in charter config) The 752 has a bit more capacity, though.
- It has similiar ranfge to the 739, but much shorter than the 752.
- It can carry more cargo in more standardized containers than the 739, probably similar to the 752.
- It is slightly heavier than the 739, but much lighter than the 752.

IMO Boeing should have put in more exits in the 739, to make it more useful for airlines - then they'd have a much better chance against the A321. As it is right now, both the 737-900 and 737-600 and pretty useless aircraft, and the sales numbers show that.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

The 739 and the other 73NG wanna be in the same leuge as A -18/-19/-20/-21......rite?


Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Basically, the 739 was developed for airlines that wanted the same capacity as the 738, but wanted to provide more room for those pax. Or provide more first class seating.

User currently offlineBove From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Its not a case of Boeing not wanting to put more emergency exits on the plane. There can only be a maximum of two overwing exits on any narrowbody...otherwise you have to use doors or mini-doors and the additional weight/space of doing so would cancel out the effect of the additional seats.

I don't think the 736 is a useless aircraft...its just that for almost exactly the same purhcase price and operating cost you can have the 73G which is a far more flexible aircraft.

While the 739 offers only 15 more seats than the 738, it can hold up to 15% more cargo so there is some potential to develop a 739ERX with transatlantic range.

199 seems a lot for a 2-class configuration A321 although I must remember J-class in Europe is the same seat pitch as Y.


User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Bove, 199 is in a 1-class configuration...
http://www1.airbus.com/products/A321_cabin.asp

This is with a 32" pitch - charter airlines usually don't have that much pitch. So you can view it as a max for a "normal" carrier.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Airtours, Air 2000, Monarch A321's all seat 220 in all-economy.

Interestingly, they also all fly the 752.....seating 233-235.

The A321 & 752 are very close in capacity and should be considered direct competitors. The 752 does of course offer much more range.

Neil




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
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