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Flight Path From LGA Over Yankee Stadium?  
User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3607 posts, RR: 12
Posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

I live in Queens, NYC, about 1/2 mile down the extended centerline of one of the runways at LGA (dunno which number; we're southwest of the airport, and our front window also faces southwest). Fairly often we get planes landing above our house, and occasionally we get planes taking off this way.

From what I understand there's been a no-fly zone over Yankee Stadium for the past few days during the World Series because of the terrorist threat. Last night, though, a large twin-engine plane (I couldn't positively identify it) overflew our house on takeoff to the southwest, leveled off at around 2,000 feet, then turned hard right in a high-bank turn to the north. It actually seemed to be descending as it crossed from south to north in front of us and then disappeared behind an apartment building across the street. It gave both me and my girlfriend a bit of a start; we've never seen a flight path like that before coming out of LGA, and it seemed to be heading straight into the no-fly zone.

Any idea where this plane could have been going? Is there any sort of standard flight path that sounds like this? It was unusual enough that we actually turned off the pre-game for about half an hour just in case (who'd want to see that?), but once it became clear that nothing had happened, we forgot about it. Could this have been a charter flight out for sightseeing purposes? Normally planes that fly to the north from that southwest takeoff make a left turn out over Queens, not a right turn over Manhattan and the Bronx (and not so low either).

btw, anybody know if LGA ATC's on the net anywhere? I've only ever seen Kennedy tower, never LGA. I'd love to be able to hear the transmissions as I watch planes come in to land.


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User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Was it a F-15? They've been known to fly out of LGA recently.

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3607 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

No; I'd know an F-15 from a civil a/c. I said I couldn't identify it because it looked to me like a 767, but I am 99% sure 767's require too much runway to fly out of LGA (and yes, I can tell the difference between a 757 and a 767 at a distance). My initial thought when I saw it was that it had come out of JFK, but it was too low and still climbing at takeoff thrust as it overflew us (had that distinctive engine growl). I'm guessing it had to be some kind of charter, but still confused as to its flight path.

btw, we do get plenty of F-15's flying over here these days (must be right in a pattern), though usually at higher altitudes. They drive me bananas; really loud and you can hear them rumble for like 10 minutes. I can hear one right now, matter of fact.



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User currently offlineSEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

>>I am 99% sure 767's require too much runway to fly out of LGA. <<

Wrong. Delta 767s fly out of LGA all the time. From the smallish -200s, to the larger & newer -400s. (Sorry, but I can't help you out on your main question.)

I also live under the main approach (and takeoff) from LGA, except I'm in the Bronx.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6778 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

http://edj.net/cgi-bin/echoplate.pl?NorthEast/LGA_LA%20GUARDIA%20NINE%20DEP.GIF

the usual departure from runway 22 is a left turn. So where are you exactly? Could the aircraft have taken off from 13, on the Maspeth climb?


User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3607 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Interesting... no, I am not quite on the Maspeth climb as far as I can tell, I'm about just on the edge of the standard runway 22 left turn (normally departing aircraft initiate their turn just prior to flying over my house - they generally miss flying directly over it only for that reason). I'm actually in Woodside. I can see planes on the Maspeth climb, but they're quite a ways away - I've got a pretty clear sky to the west and south from my balcony, though, so I can see all sorts of stuff.

Just as I've been writing this I've seen four 767's fly directly over my house at around 4,000 feet heading almost directly west in a straight line. I think these have to have been from JFK, as they were a bit too high to be from LGA, and anyway I would have seen them take off from LGA if they had (I have kind of a cool view from here; mainly my balcony looks west and south, but I can crane around the side of the house and see northeast, and can watch planes take off and land through the haze). I'm guessing the plane the other night was on this pattern but was a bit off course and a bit lower than normal; he also was still at takeoff thrust judging from the sound of it. And he made that weird hard right turn and appeared to stop climbing, which I've still never seen before. Wonder if he might have had a problem and was returning to the airport. As many planes as I've seen fly over here, I'm sure at least one or two of them have had to do that.

As far as 767's at LGA, I just have never seen one come in for a landing this way - I see plenty of 757's, 737's, A320's, MD-80's, MD-90's, DC-9's, and various prop aircraft that I am not directly familiar with, but I've never seen a 767 that I can recall. That was the only reason I thought they couldn't use this airport; I just assumed they were too heavy.



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User currently offlineH. Simpson From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 949 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

In fact, 727 and 737 require more runway length than 757 and 767, seriously.

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6778 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

767s taking off from JFK and flying over Woodside? That would be a puzzle, all right. Even more than the right turn off of LGA runway 22.

You ought to find someone with a scanner. And get some timetables, so you can figure where the flights that you hear are headed for. Next time they're landing on runway 4 look for DL 506, a 767-200 arriving at 1049 from ATL, or DL 658, a 767-300 from FLL at 1112, or DL 406, another 763 at 1419.


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