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Severe Security Breach At ORD On 11/03  
User currently offlineAirFinAir From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

ABC-7 Chicago reports this morning that a man was arrested at ORD last nite as he attempted to board a UA flight to Omaha carrying several weapons. Apparently, the 28-yr old Tibetian man was found to be carrying two knives at security check point, and was allowed to proceed to the gate. Prior to boarding, however, his bag was searched again, and authorities found seven knives and a tazer/ stun gun. No info on why security didn't see these items during x-ray of his baggage. He was charged with two misdemeanors (unlawful use of a weapon and trying to board an aircraft with a weapon,) but was later released!
There are also some other very strange facts - first, he had a one-way ticket to Omaha. Second, the home address he gave police is the same address given by the two men arrested on an Amtrak train in Texas shortly after the 11th. Third, he claimed that carrying the weapons was "an accident." But then he went on to say that the reason he had the weapons was that he feared for his life.
My biggest concern is that he made it through security with all those weapons. I'm glad they searched his bag before he got onto the flight, but how they didn't see seven knives and a tazer gun during bag scanning is beyond me. While I'm sure the FAA will claim that this incident proves that the security measures in place are working, I strongly disagree. He should have never made it into a secure area to begin with. Also, how could they let this guy go? They have the right to hold him for several days, if I'm not mistaken. Why not hold him to verify his stories ? Strange, scary stuff.


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User currently offlineMinuteman From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2718 times:

can we get a link to a media publication about this incident?

User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2708 times:

Yes, Please give us a Media Link (But not the Facetious Press Please)

User currently offlineAirFinAir From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2702 times:

Sorry, no link yet as this was a local tv-media story. The facts I posted were taken directly from the local broadcasts from 8am and 9am this morning. I've been checking regularly with their site (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/) and other Chicago media sites to see if the story has been posted, but no online info as of 10am CDT. As soon as I find the story online, I'll post a link.


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User currently offlineAirFinAir From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2672 times:

Not much to add to my original post, but here's the story from WLS-ABC7:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/110401_ns_ohare.html



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User currently offlineMinuteman From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2654 times:

Thanks for the link!

I admit this story seemed incredible without corroboration.

I'm ready for us to get serious about making people responsible for their own stuff. Accident or not, the dude tried to bring a fistfull of weapons on to an aircraft.


User currently offlineAirFinAir From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2644 times:

I plan on following this story pretty closely. Its mind boggling that he got through security with all that. I just can't believe there's no link between this guy and the two men arrested in Texas. I'll keep my eye out for related stories and post them here.


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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3858 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2640 times:

Chicago is not alone. Although they didn't report any weapons involved, 3 terminals at DFW were closed last night after someone entered a sucure area through on the of the fire doors.

3 DFW terminals closed after scare
11/04/2001

http://www.dallasnews.com/metro/stories/STORY.e9c5edfb18.93.88.fa.80.2fc7a17b.html

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineOPTIPLEX2001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

I wonder if he will sue for discrimination since he isn't white and his bag got checked  Insane

User currently offlineSEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Yep, OPTIPLEX.

I just heard on the radio that he's now severely distraught, has insomnia, nightmares, unable to eat, and is ashamed that he can no longer show his face because of his being singled out.

I also heard that he and his lawyer (who's white) are seeking damages of $62 million. They want to set a clear example that U.S. airlines cannot discriminate against "Tibetians" (or anyone else who's darker than Michael Jackson for that matter).


User currently offlineOPTIPLEX2001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

No way! You're kidding! If you aren't, then he should be kicked out of this country. Friggin disgrace.  Yeah sure

User currently offlineSEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Hehehe.

 Laugh out loud


User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

this is an incredible story !

Regards, SN-A330



I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineAirFinAir From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Update 11/05/01 - To add to this story by the Chicago Tribune, local Chicago media outlets are reporting this morning that the seven screeners have been fired, and that the suspect is again in FBI custody as they try to determine any link between him and the two men arrested in Texas Sept. 12 on a San Antonio-bound Amtrak train.

From chicagotribune.com

7 O'Hare screeners suspended over lapse

By Tom McCann and Sean D. Hamill
Tribune staff reporters
Published November 5, 2001

"Seven O'Hare International Airport security workers were suspended Sunday and are likely to be fired after they let a Chicago man pass through a security checkpoint with seven knives, a stun gun and a can of mace in his carry-on luggage, according to city aviation officials.
The man was eventually stopped and the weapons were found before he was able to board a plane Saturday. But the incident, coming two days after the House rejected a plan adopted by the Senate to federalize airport security workers, is certain to stoke the debate over how to safeguard the nation's airports.
Subash Gurung, 27, a native of Nepal, was arrested about 7:30 p.m. Saturday while waiting to board a United Airlines flight to Omaha, said Chicago Department of Aviation spokeswoman Monique Bond. Airport police said Gurung bought a one-way ticket.
Airline employees discovered the weapons during a final bag check at the gate, Bond said, part of new procedures that several airlines have adopted since the Sept. 11 attacks.
But that was after two folding knives were discovered in Gurung's pocket when he walked through a security checkpoint metal detector, police said. Bond said the knives were confiscated and police were summoned, but Gurung was allowed to continue to his gate.
Meanwhile, his bag went through an X-ray machine, but the security staff did not notice the knives or other weapons, Bond said. A search of the bag wasn't conducted even after the two knives were found, she said.
Bond would not say what led to the later search of Gurung's bag.
"Something obviously went seriously wrong here, and we're trying to find out if it's the employees' fault or the security company's fault," Bond said. "If weapons were confiscated, he should never have been let through security."
The Federal Aviation Administration and Chicago Department of Aviation have both launched investigations into the incident and will consider whether the employees should be fired and whether United should pay a fine.
The suspended workers were all employees of Atlanta-based Argenbright Security Inc., the company that runs United's screening operations at O'Hare. Three veteran employees were working the checkpoint alongside three trainees, said FAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory. The employees' supervisor was also suspended.
"We commend all our employees who acted to apprehend this man," said United spokesman Joe Hopkins. "They did an excellent job."
Despite heightened airport security in the aftermath of the attacks, the lapse on Saturday wasn't the first. Last month, a passenger on a Southwest Airlines flight accidentally brought a gun aboard a plane in his briefcase.
Lawmakers agree steps are still needed to improve baggage and passenger screening, but the House and Senate remain divided about how best to achieve that goal.
The Senate has approved a measure that would make security screeners federal employees. The House version adopted Thursday increased federal oversight of the 28,000 screeners, but stopped short of federalizing them.
"If the system can't detect a knife and a stun gun in luggage, then you have to ask yourself whether the people are doing their job right," said U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who supports the Senate bill that gives the Justice Department responsibility for airport security.
"I think the technology works, but you can't pay someone minimum wage and ask them to act as a law enforcement officer on the front line fighting terrorism," said Durbin at a news conference Sunday, in which he also proposed legislation to allow federal agencies to share classified information with local police.
Gurung was charged with three misdemeanor counts of unlawful use of a weapon, attempting to board an aircraft with dangerous weapons and carrying dangerous weapons. A spokeswoman for the Cook County state's attorney's office said the case was still being evaluated and more serious charges could be brought.
Gurung was released early Sunday on $1,000 bail and is scheduled to appear in court Dec. 19. He was questioned by the FBI, who turned him over to Chicago police.
Gurung could not be reached for comment Sunday. In comments to WLS-Ch. 7, he said "It just happened out of accident, in a hurry."
He said he has worked in a warehouse but was presently unemployed.
Gurung recently moved back to Chicago with his brother, Sushil, from Minnesota, said Adam Colfax, superintendent for the apartment building in the 5700 block of North Kenmore Avenue where the Gurung brothers lived until a year ago.
Colfax said Gurung previously lived in an apartment at 1025 W. Hollywood Ave., where Ayub Ali Khan once lived. Khan has been detained by authorities as a material witness in the Sept. 11 attacks but it is unclear whether he knew Gurung."

Updates to follow as they develop.





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User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

I thought those 7 O'Hare screeners were fired, not suspended.

I have a couple of questions:

1) How is it possible for anyone (normal or not) to forget leaving dozen knives, mice sprey and stunt gun out of own carry on luggage, and being taken seriously? To me, this can only be done by a terrorist, attemting to full us with some incredible story. How can this be taken seriously?


2) If airport screeners are federealised and unionised - how difficult would it be to fire them after a mistake like this? How difficult would it be to 'suspend' them?


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3858 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Here is another version of the same story from CNN:

FBI arrests man who tried to board a flight armed with knves, weapons
11/05/2001

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/11/05/inv.ohare.security.breach/index.html

Now, in the Chicago Tribune story posted above, it stated:

A spokeswoman for the Cook County state's attorney's office said the case was still being evaluated and more serious charges could be brought. Gurung was released early Sunday on $1,000 bail and is scheduled to appear in court Dec. 19. He was questioned by the FBI, who turned him over to Chicago police.

Then, in the CNN story, it says the man has been re-arrested by the FBI. So why was the guy released in the first place only to be re-arrested? It sounds like the FBI and the Chicago police are also to blame in this - not just the security personnel.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3858 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

I have another question about this event. When the additional weapons were discovered at the gate, why wasn't the entire concourse evacuated and everyone forced to reclear security?

Theoretically this man could have had 20 knives in his carry on and passed some over to accomplices already in the concourse after being allowed to proceed through the first checkpoint and before having the additional weapons discovered during the gate check.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Seems like the guy is in custody, and awaiting another hearing this Thursday, when he'll have translator by him. Federal judge wants to make sure that he can understand what is going on in his native language. Seems like he is facing 10 years, if he can make that long in some of our nice federalised  Big grin prisons.


LoneStarMike, correct, they should have profiled other passangers on that flight, perhaps on other flights conducted at the same time from O'Hare and other airports. I hope they are doing that, and probably they should be doing that without much visability.

I believe federalised security on the airport wouldn't do anything different than this current one. Lets face it, after few quiet years they wouldn't move a finger except when they feel like showing who is in charge.

Airport has to be ultimatly responsible for all services it offers. Airport Authority has to have FAA certifications, rules, regulations, guidlines and should be in charge of orgnising and finding companies which can provide services to the most satisfactory level.


User currently offlineAirFinAir From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Good point, LoneStarMike. You have to take all precautions when security is breached in this manner.

As far as discrepencies of the stories, the Chicago Police Dept. commisioner called the FBI and told them "I think you should take another look at this one," after the FBI turned him over to police early Sunday morn. (11/4.) The FBI re-arrested Gurung Sunday evening - he is currently in federal custody awaiting a hearing on Thursday.

There are some good links to the story at http://www.airlinebiz.com/wire/, including a .pdf file on the actual FBI charge against him.

The FBI is saying that at this point the case doesn't appear to be terrorist-related. That remains to be seen.

Of course, United is saying that their security measures worked as he wasn't allowed to board the plane, being rechecked by United personel before boarding. So be it, but he should have never been let to pass the security area by United's contraced security agents, employees of Argenbright Security.

More importantly, the Chicago Tribune also reports that three of the suspended employees have criminal records and one is a SUSPECTED GANG MEMBER! And the airlines and the FAA claim proper security measures are in place. My @$$!



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User currently offlineKUGN From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

I could swear that some of the O'Hare screeners working 3rd shirf ARE gang members. But I also remember that even on this discussion group, criticising them would result with name callings and racial insensitivy accusations.

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