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User currently offlineTodd From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 25 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

I just joined this forum after browsing for a few days and have seen some rather hair-raising pictures from Kai Tak. What made this airport so difficult to land? From what I've read, you would make an ILS approach and then make a right turn towards the runway to land. Why?

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User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

The turn was 47 and 1/2 degrees to the right at approximately 300 ft above the buildings of Kowloon.

Not only that, but the turn was so late in the approach that the straight-in final part of the approach lasted only a matter of seconds (10 at most). In fact, many aircraft were still not wings horizontal when they crossed the threshold of rwy 13.

In addition, because of the amount of traffic going into HKG, take-offs and landings had to be very carefully juggled. Very often, ATC clearance for landing came just before the turn was initiated. Also, there was a hill with a giant checkerboard on the approach.

Maybe somebody can tell us even more details.

The Coachman



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User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

Also only one runway, and when the crosswind hit .... crazyyyyyy!! Search for some topics from end of october. There was a lot of talking about Kai Tak at that time.

User currently offlineTodd From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1152 times:

I did a few touch-and-gos last night in MS Flight Sim 2002. There's a nice small mountain in the way of RWY 13 and a city as you would do a normal approach. I'm guessing that the odd approach that was used on RWY 13 was because of the mountain, noise abatement and staying clear of the city?

User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

The approach to Rwy 13 was only because of the mountain. FS2000 doesnot show it very well, but the approach to Rwy 13 takes you over heavily populated areas the whole time, not clear of the city at all.....so not for noise abatement either!!

User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1125 times:

The Instrumental Guidance System, IGS works like ILS. But since IGS is not to guide acfts all the way to the thershold, that's why it is called IGS approach but not ILS. IGS would guide acfts towards the checker boxes on the hills, then pilots have to make visual right turn down to the rwy 13. IGS would NOT guide pilots all the way down to the rwy.

r panda


User currently offlineTodd From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

Thanks for the input! Does anyone else have more to add? I find this one interesting airport.

User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1096 times:

Did the traffic pattern at Kaitak ever go the other direction??? The only pics you see are the ones for approach to 13... I guess climbing over the mountian might not really work to well. Did they just put up with the tail wind when there was one?

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User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1088 times:

I live in Hong Kong and actually there are planes from both directions, and usually in winter Kai Tak will take-off and land on 31.

When i was at school I could see the planes soaring up into the skies in Autumn and Winter, but usually approaching in summer!Now all i can see is a small spot far away over the hills of Lion Rock!

Best Regards


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