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Court Judgment Concerning Ryanairs "FrankfurtHahn"  
User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

Hi everybody,

a German court just ruled that Ryanair must not advertise their routes from HHN and LBC as "Frankfurt" and "Hamburg" anymore. The court found it misleading for passengers because Hahn is Hahn and not Frankfurt-Hahn, and Luebeck is Luebeck and not Hamburg-Luebeck.

I wonder whether the listings in the OAG will have to be changed as well.

Daniel Smile


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User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1144 times:


Yeah I've heard about that today, too. I actually wanted to post it here but you were first. Big grin

I think this is absolutely correct because Hahn is not anywhere near FRA and so isn't Luebeck near Hamburg.

By the way the court also ruled that they musn't advertise with the 49DM fare because in the end you pay way more money (taxes ...).


B737-700


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

Hi Daniel !

I`ve read about this today in the "Süddeutsche Zeitung". I agree with the court because Lübeck is about 100 km away from Hamburg and Hahn is also not so close to Frankfurt as Ryanair promissed in their ads.

Patrick


User currently offlineAvion757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

I don't think that the Judge's decision is a good one - Frankfurt/HAHN and Hamburg/LÜBECK indicates the airports are somewhere near the major cities, which attracts customers to use the routes and as such is advantageous to the two airports concerned.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Hi Avion757 !

In the USA it`s the same. Newark is not New York or Oakland is not San Francisco. If i book a flight i want to know the exact destination and not "somewhere in the Hamburg area" !

Patrick


User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 954 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

If this is the case then London Luton should become known as Luton, Venice Treviso should become known as Treviso, Brussels South as Charleroi and so on. The floodgates could open with this one.

User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1079 times:

Yes, but Luton is CALLED London Luton. That's the name of the airport. The point here is that Hahn in not CALLED Frankfurt-Hahn, apart from in Ryanair's advertising, and the same with Luebeck.

If both these airports were to change their names then there is no reason why Ryanair couldn't refer to them as such, regardless of how far they are from the cities concerned.


User currently offlineGibberish From Switzerland, joined Sep 2000, 424 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

Also, Ryanair wants to start flights to "Zurich West" which is actually Basel and nowhere near Zurich. I wonder how they came up with that? I think it's the crack... Smokin cool

gibberish
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Swissair


User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

How about Dusseldorf-Moenchengladbach, Muenchen-Nuernberg or Wien-Salzburg for some new destinations? How about London-Prestwick as base for Ryanair Transatlantic?  Big grin

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

In the USA, Southwest Airlines advertises the city name of the airport and then lists the larger destination below it. For instance, the timetable lists "Manchester, NH" in bold font." Underneath, in smaller letters, it notes "Boston Area." You see both where you're landing, and what the nearby big city is.

Years ago I was in Germany and rode between Hamburg and Lubeck; it couldn't have been even an hour. Here in the Washington, DC area lots of folks drive that much between Virginia and Baltimore-Washington airport. Maybe Lubeck and Hahn airports can rename themselves, as suggested above, like BWI did 20 years ago. Eg, "Lubeck-Hamburg Regional Airport." "Flughafen Lubeck-Hamburg."

Jim



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User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1070 times:


Thy really call or want to call Basel, Zurich-West ????
That is ridiculous.


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1036 times:


Moenchengladbach is actually indeed listed under Duesseldorf in the OAG. I believe the official name is even "Duesseldorf Express-Airport Moenchengladbach".
Augsburg is listed under Munich...

Even Mannheim, where I live, is nearer to FRA than HHN - but nobody would think of listing MHG under Frankfurt - because they use the fact that the Mannheimers DON´T have to go to FRA as a marketing tool. That effect would be lost if people conceived MHG only as one of the Frankfurt airports.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

Yes Moenchengladbach is known as "Duesseldorf Express-Airport Moenchengladbach".
Flights are even on teletext listed in the DUS flightplan.

B737-700


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1016 times:

I don`t know exactly, but isn`t Hahn listed under Frankfurt ?

Patrick


User currently offlineBestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7114 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1006 times:

On a CRS system...

SSTNFRA brings up

15NOV-TH-0000 STNFRA(LONFRA) ** **
STN ALTERNATE BQH LCY LGW LHR LTN QQK QQP QQU SEN ZEP
1.X7 FR 752 S STNHHN 0730 0945 737 0
EFF 06NOV DIS 24DEC
2.6 FR 754 S STNHHN 1245 1500 738 0
EFF 06NOV DIS 13JUL
3.X6 FR 754 S STNHHN 1600 1815 738 0
EFF 06NOV DIS 23DEC
4.X6 FR 756 S STNHHN 1930 2145 738 0
EFF 06NOV DIS 23DEC

Hahn is a Frankfurt designated airport.

For Lubeck

>SSTNHAM

08NOV-TH-0000 STNHAM(LONHAM) ** **
STN ALTERNATE BQH LCY LGW LHR LTN QQK QQP QQU SEN ZEP
1.X7 FR 434 S Q B L K V H STNLBC 0640 0900 737 0
EFF 06NOV DIS 24DEC
2.X6 FR 438 S STNLBC 1540 1800 737 0
EFF 06NOV DIS 23DEC

Lubeck is a designated Hamburg Airport


However Ryanair is advertising Fiori as Bologna, and it is not a designated airport...

>SSTNBLQ

08NOV-TH-0000 STNBLQ(LONBLQ) ** **
STN ALTERNATE BQH LCY LGW LHR LTN QQK QQP QQU SEN ZEP
1.DLY GO 551 Y STNBLQ 1205 1515 733 0
EFF 05NOV DIS 24DEC

Hence no Ryanair flights.

Intersting.

Also note GO is visible on a GDS, but not (yet) bookable. Buzz dont even bother.



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