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Aero Lloyd To Add A 330-200 Into Their Fleet  
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

The German charter airline Aero Lloyd is planning to add two A 330-200 into their fleet. It seems that YP is planning to fly long range destinations from Germany.


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User currently offlineLH744 From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

I can remember times in the early nineties when they planned to add the MD-11
to their fleet, also planning to conduct long haul flights!
This was never realised though!

By the way Patrick, where did you get this from????


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Hi LH744 !

I read this at http://www.airlinersonline.com

You must scroll the page a little bit down, the main topic was about LTU. In the last scentence you can read about Aero Lloyd.


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

It would make sense, if LTU died, Condor would get an unhealthy monopoly on longhaul holiday flights from Germany.
I am, however, a little sceptical, because of those MD11 LH744/Dennis mentiones - they were even on firm order in the early nineties. Plus YP has put a lot of energy into standardising their fleet on one type.

Daniel Smile

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

Does anybody know if Hapag Lloyd is still flying to the Domenican Republic ?

If not and if LT died, Condor will get the monopoly on longhault charter flights from Germany as Daniel wrote in the reply before.


User currently offlineNfx From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

no more longhauls for hapag

btw - if i were you i wouldnt trust too much in the words of airlinersonline.com. the text from monday is quite hard to understand...

User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Condo does not have the nbecessary cpacities to take over the LTU market. Plus, LTU has been reducing it's leading position in the longhaul market ex DUS a couple of years ago, so even if they died, the available passengers would be scattered all over Germany. That'd make it kind of hard for another airline to take over their paxes.
The potential ex DUS would require a carrier that has more experience in DUS than YP does, so I guess that taking over LT's market is a bad plan for YP. However, we are already seeing a recovery in bookings from the Sep 11th attacks, so it would make sense to look at the longhaul market that does not offer passengers as many IATA connections any more (plus fares have risen or cancelled). They might be able to expand into that. Frankly I would be happy to see that happen, but I am not sure whether YP can really do it. I would also doubt that the 332 is a good choice, because in case LTU dies, there would be a shortage on maintenance facilities for 330s in the area. However, YP has been exchanging aircraft for the summer/winter seasons with canadian carriers, so it might make sense to (sub)lease 332s from say TS for the summer season.

We do have an opening market, so it might work, although I would think that it might be better for YP to look at other longhaul equipment such as the MD 11 (which has the disadvantage of not being built anymore) or 763 or 764 (which would in my opinion make most sense as they are very flexible). But I guess that YP's management has a preference for Airbus. That's after all a European disease. I just think that the 332 is too big for YP and that they need something in the 767.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

The A332 much bigger than the B763? It seems you are not informed well.
And, by the way, their A320/A321 pilots could easily fly the A332 after a short training while there wouldn't be any cross crew advantages by choosing the B767...
From an economical point of view, the A332 makes most sense.


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

I hope these new A330-200s are either P&W 4168 or RR Trent 772 powered!

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

i do agree that the 332 seem to be the better choice for YP´s fleet.
and btw, i do think there are sufficient maintenance facilities close by which could take of these A330-200s (LH, airbus, SR, OS). i highly doubt that would be a problem.

i would love to see Aero Llyod entering the longhaul charter market and to add competition.


If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

I think it would be really great if that would happen! But I don't know if the risk isn't too high now since it seems as if LTU will be around for a while. They now have enough money to keep flying for another year. Well I hope that LTU stays alive AND that YP will start using the A332 (or whatever widebody...).



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