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B717´s Fate Decided Soon  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

Flight International reports that the Boeing B717-200s fate could alread be decided within the next three weeks. An announcement could be expectedbefore the year´s end. The line would be brought to a stop within 12 months. Outstanding orders will be fulfilled during these twelve months. The beneficaries wil be the Embraer 190/195 and the Fairchild Dornier 928JET

Regards
Flying-Tiger
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User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

The beneficaries wil be the Embraer 190/195 and the Fairchild Dornier 928JET




DONT FORGET THE AIRBUS ALSO!

I am not going to gloat, YES I AM! I TOLD YOU ALL SO!

Sorry, critter592, and LGBphotos!

To bad, so sad, your dad.



User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Midwest Express may change their mind still on what type to replace the DC9's. Its possible they may want the support of companies with the aircraft still in production.

User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Airbus actually less. The A318 is designed for longer range missions whilest the 928JET and EMB-190/915 are true Regional Airliners.

Regards
Flying-Tiger
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User currently offlineScutfarcus From United States of America, joined May 2000, 389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1307 times:


If the 717 folds, then assuming they have sufficient range, the Fai-Dor 728-928s seem like a perfect fit for MidEx, plus they already have a relationship with the company via Skyway.

Can't find anything about the range of the 728s though, and they might be a bit small... and of course buying them would leave MidEx with the MD-80s for the bigger flights, losing the commonality that would have come with the 717...



User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

THANK YOU!!!!!! Someone who understands the design and economics of the Airbus...If the 717 goes down? Go Embraer...but it's gonna be tough with all those millions and millions of A318s that have been ordered...oh wait...nevermind...no one seems to be in a big hurry to buy the Airbus either...


Go Cubs!
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

Range B717-200 HGW: 1,860 nm
Range ERJ-195LR: 1,800 nm
Range 928JET-ER: 2,200 nm (with 100 pax)

Speed: B717-200 HGW: Mach 0.82
ERJ-195LR: 0.805
928JET-ER: 0.81

Regards
Flying-Tiger
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User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

NO WAY!!!!! I think Boeing should at least wait a couple of years. I mean, what if Northwest gets their act together and orders a heap of them (For those who think Northwest WILL NOT order them, Anything is Possible) Let's not shun the 717 yet. Anyone who hates the 717 just needs to keep their silly and ruthless comments to themselves, for if you are a true lover of aviation, you will not give up so easily.

User currently offlineSpectre242 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1236 times:

I read the FI article too and my impression is that the 717 isn't going to last long, but this has been speculated for quite some time, even before 11th Sept. The 717 needs a big order boost soon (unlikely) if its to stay in production.

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

It ain't over until the fat lady sings. As Critter592 said...if you were a true aviation lover, you would not give up so easily. Boeing would face a massive PR fallout from the workers of LGB. Those folks had more than their fair share of sacifices. We all know Boeing wants to wipe-out the history of McDonnell Douglas, but in the end, it will only bite them in the ass. It's best to keep the 717 going. It's a sleeper hit. It will survive given a chance. Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

I don´t think that the Boeing 717-200 will laat much longer. It doesn´t fit into Boeing´s philosphy and even worse: it does steal orders from the B737NG especially the -600. And to market the B712 huge marketing efforts are necessary which are very costly, especially now when airlines are thinking twice about new orders. And to break-even the project needs a couple of orders (to be exact more than 150), extremly unlikely to be ever reached. For Boeing it is likely more satisfying to dropp of the low-yield regional airliner business, leaving thi market to the specialized players, and to refocus efforts on the B737-600, the more promissing product.

To me it seems that the end of the B717-200 is very, very near...

Regards
Flying-Tiger



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User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1366 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

I hope Boeing won't need to stop production of the 717 especially because a lot of jobs and money will be affected in Italy as the fuselage is built by Alenia. But I don't think Alitalia will help this programme.

Ciao

STefano


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

If that's the case, then let bring the production of the 736 down to LGB then. Since the 717 is outselling the 736, Boeing can prolong the agony of the LGB's plant. This way, those workers can enjoy a few more months of uncertainty before the 736 is dropped. BTW, the SEA unions would never allowed the ANY Boeing-built plane to be transferred to Long Beach. But, at the same time, the Boeing unions would welcome the relocation of the C-17 production line. Go figure. Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1212 times:

I'm concerned about the loss of the 717 because part/all? of the wing is made here in Toronto. Matter of fact, their parking lot is one of the best/busiest places to go plane spotting.
Could something by Canadiar - Bombardier fulfill the role vacated by the 717, I wonder?


User currently offlineLGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

Hold your horses there Boeing757fan. Not so fast, just YOU wait and see....

User currently offlineJettblasterp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

You won't see YX buying 728s or 928s. They are too small. They don't carry any freight or cargo which is big for Midwest. All their charter customers will not be happy either. They will most likely take delivery of the 717 or go elsewhere and pick up some MD87s or something.

User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Boeing757fan: this is just one of a long list of articles about how the 717 MIGHT be shut down. Not one said that it will. They are probably getting it all from similar sources.

User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Well, the 728/928JET are actually having a bigger diameter than the B717-200.

728JET: 128 In
B712: 123.2 In

Payload for the 728JET is 21,000 lb, for the 928JET 27,700 lb. Sorry, but I don´t have the B717´s figures at hand. Maybe somebody could provide them?

Regards
Flying-Tiger



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User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

What about Hawaiian Airlines???  Wow!



Hawaiian has huge plans to replace its entire DC-9 flett with Boeing 717, if the line shuts down then what will they use? What about the 717s they already have, will they become a thron in Hawaiian's side if they were to go with the Canadair CRJ-7/900 or the ERJ-195?

Also, this Dornier 728, what does it look like? Anyone have a picture?

Aloha 737-200!!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

I found the Hawaiian airlines 717 to be a wonderful plane, we flew them recently while island jumping and they were great. Nice modern cockpits etc, would be sad to see them go

Jer


User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

Didn't Midwest Express sign a firm contract?


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

Go here:

http://www.fairchilddornier.com/en/media/ and choose image callery on the right side.

Regards
Flying-Tiger



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User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1088 times:

Poor 717. The only true new T-tail out there.  Sad




AIR757200



User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1077 times:

One of the main problems the 717 has is that only one exit (in everyday service I mean not emergencies) is uusable. This means slow turnarounds, more downtime = less revenue.

There are simply too many alternatives out there for such a flaw to be overlooked. Sorry.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

Well...... my favorite airplane is once again in question.

Boeing must either defecate or vacate.

It's a great plane. If they'd shove it down Northwest's procrastinating throat, it's solve many problems for lots of people. Can't that airline make a fleet decision before the change of the NEXT century??? "We're taking the A330 and the 753. Wait, not yet, just kidding..."

That's the rumor I heard from this board, anywho.

I think that MidEx has a plan. When AA gets rid of the TW 717s (which could be in the near future if they can't keep engines screwed on to airbuses) then MidEx will snap them up for a lower price. Sounds appealing to me- a slightly used, yet well cared for state of the art airplane.

It could have done so much more if Boeing hadn't treated it like the illegitimate stepchild...

Sorry for my crass mood.
Randy


25 LGB Photos : Geez this is getting to be an old topic. ALOHA737-200-Hawaiian already has 13 717s in service. They are very happy with them.
26 Travatl : So, I'm curious...what then is Boeing going to give AirTran for $19 million a pop? OR Are they going to build the aircraft and let them sit around whi
27 Post contains images Aloha 737-200 : Thanks for the images Flying-Tiger. As far as Hawaiian Airlines goes, I wasn;t sure how many jets they had in operation yet, but 13 jets isn't enough
28 Woodsboy : With the fabled Midwest Express fantom order of 717s still seemingly unannounced by Boeing and unconfirmed by the rest of the world AND with the rumor
29 717fan : OK, I am a 717 fan, but i think we have to wait until Boeing makes a decision about the future of the 717. It is to early to say the 717 is dead or no
30 Flying-Tiger : I would rule out NW, AA, QF and Aeromexico at the moment. NW+AA are struggling too much to consider new orders. QF has postponed its RJ decision. Aero
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