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AA 587 Flight Path/Bird Strikes Questions/Comments  
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

In looking at a map depicting the area around JFK, and also the debris field, I had assumed that AA 587 had departed from runway 22R at JFK, and flown straight out. However, msnbc.com is showing a graphic that depicts the flight as departing to the northwest (runway 31L?) then circling around to the south before coming back to the northeast before crashing.

1) Am I missing something here? Wasn't the vertical stabilizer found in Jamaica Bay south of JFK, and the crash area south of that? To me, that signifies a southwest departure off runway 22R.

2) Also, Jamaica Bay and the bird refuge is south and southwest of JFK, so I'm doubting that roosting birds would be found northwest of JFK; migrating birds perhaps.

3) The timeline puts the crash at 3 minutes after takeoff. I'm not sure 3 minutes is enough time to depart runway 31L and make a fairly wide loop to the left back around to the northeast.

Any comments?

Tom in NO (at MSY)






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User currently offlineBodobodo From Canada, joined May 2000, 553 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1465 times:

At the NTSB report just about 15 minutes ago one of the spokespeople said that there has been no evidence found so far of foreign object debris (ie. resulting from birdstrikes) within the engines.

Felix


User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1458 times:

The NTSB just said that their is no evidence of a bird strike, but on the CVR the pilots are talking about encountering wake turbulence and seconds later the F/O calls for full power the f/o was flying. A JAL 744 took off right before the A300, maybe the wake of the 744 had something to do with the accident.

User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1457 times:

As someone who lives near JFK, I have seen planes fly this takeoff many times. Basically so as not to interfere with LGA, most departures turn due south right after departure. Jamaica bay is south of JFK, than comes the Rockaway Penninsula. Most flights climb over Rockaway, though a 22 departure would have brought you over the same area pretty much as flight 587.


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1443 times:

Ah, I'm seeing it now. I pulled out today's USA Today, Section A, page 7, which shows a debris field, then compared it to my handy NYC street map. The crash site is further southwest than I was thinking. A runway 31L departure with a left turn out fits the profile.

Thanks for the info.

Tom in NO (at MSY, having worked a bird strike or two over the years)



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