Shakesphere From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1173 times:
I could imagine those flights from New York to the Dominan Republic having alot of natives onboard, thus having more baggage then just ordinary tourists. I was wondering if maybe a mis-calculation on the weight and balance could of had a factor in the crash of this ill fated flight. If there are any pilots or operation agents that could answer my question I would appreciate it.
Tygue From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1105 times:
Merr..... not necissarily true. Eyewitnesses report seeing the airplane wobble,then nose dive. Sounds like a stall to me. Also, a pilot on the CVR shouted for full power, also possibly pointing towards a buffet.
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1062 times:
And they usually cut the power further after takeoff due to noise abatement. Depends on the noise charactertistics and power of the engines on a particular aircraft type, though; I don't know the typical settings on an A300 on that takeoff pattern.
I thought the last transponder return showed this plane at 280 knots. Unless there was some sort of ridiculous angle of attack, I have a hard time believing the plane would have stalled at that speed; and it was obviously accelerating after takeoff. There's video of the plane taking off that the NTSB has, and they've said it's unremarkable. Usually when there's a really bad weight distribution problem it's obvious right from takeoff due to an unusual attitude.
The call for max power's another piece of the puzzle, though. We'll have to wait and see what that's about.
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Lymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1053 times:
An aircraft can stall at any airspeed Spacecadet... called an accelerated stall.
These are caused by abrupt or excessive control movement. They commonly occur during maneuvers such as steep turns or rapid dive recoveries involving a high load factor or a sudden change in flight path. Accelerated stalls are usually more violent than unaccelerated stalls, and they are often unexpected because of the relatively high airspeed. Any time you are experiencing an increased flight load factor, that acceleration indicates that you have increased the angle of attack, and even though you may be well above the usual stall speed, you will be closer to the stalling angle of attack.
Shakesphere From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1025 times:
Thankyou to all of you who have shared your thoughts and insight with me. I just wanted to make sure that my theory could be ruled out. Since the aircraft was full to capacity and the baggage load being typically full on these flights to the Dominican Republic.
This is such a horrible accident and I hope that we will get the answers soon. My condolencences to the families and friends of the victims and to the city of Queens New York which has suffered many loss's already.
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1028 times:
Shakesphere - The fact that the aircraft broke up in mid-air really rules out your posssibility. If the aircraft is unbalanced it would be very difficult to control, but I do not think it would cause enough stress for the airframe to fail.
Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1002 times:
I also wonder about the First Officer's call for "max power." I understand 587 heavy took off from 22R, and was in the process of banking left. Did they cut back on full throttle due to noise abatement rules over Jamaica Bay?
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