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ANstaff Bids Farewell  
User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 970 times:

A few hours ago, the ANstaff bid had to withdraw because a financial backer pulled out at last minute before a creditors meeting.

ANstaff will be collaborating with Lew/Fox and will provide their business model and other related data - as of yet, Lew/Fox have the money but noone to run the airline or seemingly to develop a business plan yet (they have consultants, but haven't heard anything from them).

All the best to Ansett and its future. Interesting to note that AN is now advertising NZ flights on its site (given NZ is selling AN flights in AU - saving them money!)

Cheers,

Justin

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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 904 times:

Sad to hear that.........

So, will Lew-Fox use AN Staff's Proposal?


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Any comment from you guys??

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 870 times:

Justin,

One of the problems facing any potential bidder is the fact our pathetic federal government don't really have an interest in the Ansett problem.

The Fox / Lew bid proposal was bought forward to politicise the whole thing before the election to try and force the governments / opposition to commit to a new AN.

ANstaff now realise that everyone must get together to save AN as every week it's left without route structure and at the mercy of QF / DJ will make it more difficult to lauch it as a viable entity for the future.

I personally hope that everything works out, but I fear the federal government has lost interest and will be happy to see AN torn apart.

mb


User currently offlineRmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 854 times:

Did anyone else read the article in yesterday's AFR about an SQ
fall back plan if the fox bid fails. It was quoting Mentha. I've wondered
all along if fox/lew are the front men for SQ as they'd win more
support of the govt than SQ ever would at the moment. We should
know a bit more in an hours time, Mentha is due to give another
speech at the maintenance base at midday.

Rmm


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 833 times:

AN Staff-Lew&Fox. That will be a good combination.

Yeah........ EVERY WEEK COUNTS! Do you guys think Lew and Fox will adopt the proposal of AN Staff?


User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 827 times:

No, Lew/Fox will not adopt much of ANstaff. ANstaff retained the inefficient fleet mix of the old AN principally to appease the Boeing pilots whose money was required as part of the Anstaff bid. ANstaff was always doomed because it didn't address some of the problems of the old AN.

Lew/Fox will carry on with their currently disclosed business plan which is an all A32X fleet, full service, no int'l services, link with Star. Whether the plan gets up should be known over the next week or so.



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User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 825 times:

CANBERRA, Nov 16 (Reuters) - Australian Transport Minister John Anderson said Friday he has asked Ansett administrators to come up with more realistic requests for taxpayer help, saying a A$195 million loan was earmarked only for workers' entitlements.



Administrators for the collapsed airline have asked the government to provide funds to finalise a A$3.6 billion (US$1.9 billion) takeover bid by Melbourne businessmen Solomon Lew and Lindsay Fox for the nation's second-largest airline.

Crucial to the deal is a request that the government convert a A$195 million loan for employee entitlements to a one-time grant to make Ansett more attractive to potential bidders.

But Anderson said the A$195 million loan, funded from a special A$10 ticket levy, could not be used for another purpose without a significant departure from policy.

"It it is an advance, or a loan if you like, out of...the special entitlements for the Ansett group employees," he told reporters in Canberra.

"That money was not made available, nor legislated for, to be made available to other creditors -- which is really what the administrators are asking for. That is a significant policy issue that has to be resolved very carefully."

The transport minister said he has been speaking with Fox and Lew, along with the administrators, throughout the week and planned to meet with them again "reasonably early next week".

Australian media has reported the Lew-Fox plan is contingent on the government converting a A$195 million loan for Ansett's employees into a one-off grant plus other incentives, concessions and loan guarantees totalling about A$600 million.

But Anderson also said requests that the government underwrite passenger numbers or restrict the flight schedules of competitors to allow a rejuvenated Ansett to regain market share were out of the question.

"We've asked them to have another look at what they really realistically might ask of us and we'll work that through...I don't think, broadly speaking, that we're in favor of restrictive arrangements where competition is concerned," he said.

The government was prepared to help with insurance arrangements -- as it has with other market players since the September 11 attacks in the Unites States sideswiped the industry

-- or streamlining of certification, Anderson said.

Prime Minister John Howard has ruled out purchasing a stake or helping Fox-Lew purchase equity in the airline.

"We are not going to provide an equity injection and we're not going to behave in a way that gives Ansett and unfair competitive advantage over its rivals," Howard said this week.

Dominant carrier Qantas Airways Ltd and discount carrier Virgin Blue have both threatened legal action if the revitalised Ansett gains an unfair advantage.

The Fox-Lew consortium, which aims to buy 29 Airbus Industrie



User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 812 times:

Rmm,

Very astute thinking there. SQ are lurking around there somewhere - they have wanted this prize for such a long time.

Cheers,

mb


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 804 times:

RMM: An interesting conspiracy theory. Australians would rather go Australian then invite the Singaporeans.

Who was this "financial backer" that pulled out of ANStaff anyway???



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineAnsett320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 801 times:

Does anyone still have that article to post? or would they be able to provide a link to it?

I would really appreciate it

thanks
ansett320


User currently offlineRmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 790 times:

I can't talk to much at the moment but one surprising
thing that Mentha mentioned today was that the Fox/Lew bid has now agreed to take on 40 A32X options on top of the original 29. The rest was pretty
much about redundancies and the govt's hardline.

AnsettA320,
I have the article in PDF format. It's about 1 meg in
size. I'll leave a hotmail address in my profile later
tonight. If you still want it post me a mail address.

Rmm


User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 780 times:

Will we see any A321s, or will all aircraft be purely ex (for) UA?

If so, I suppose that's good by to GE & CFM.

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 776 times:

That sucks! No International services, no Widebodies, reduced number of staff and number of aircraft........ Ansett will become a much smaller airline with A 320s only!

Geeeeeeeeeez! Hope they will expand a lot more in the future, and have International Routes as well as B 747-400s flying for them.



User currently offlineRmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 776 times:

A few other things I forgot to add from todays meeting with Mentha.
Mentha has reclaimed the Telstra, CUB & deliotte corporate accounts for AN.
Most routes except MEL-SYD are doing well with consistent 80% loadings on
most PER flights.
AN is now losing $1 million a week instead of each day and this figure is slowly
decreasing. Mentha said this loss was offset by the airlines' increased value by it remaining airbourne.

Rmm


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 764 times:

This is not going to help the Ansett cause

Todays "Melbourne Age" :

Unsafe Ansett plane flew 7 trips

By STATHI PAXINOS
AVIATION REPORTER
Saturday 17 November 2001
More at: Ansett crisis

An Ansett Boeing 767 flew for two days with inoperational escape slides because maintenance was behind schedule and short cuts were taken to return the plane to service, an Australian Transport Safety Bureau report says.

The report says that maintenance staff took "unauthorised short cuts and work-arounds" because the inspections on the plane had overrun by a week. It said staff signed off on work that had not been completed and that insufficient supervision of apprentices and poor record-keeping caused the problem to be overlooked.

The Boeing 767-200 flew seven times on April 8 and 9 with up to four escape slides inoperational because a component for the slides was removed to allow repainting and other maintenance and was not replaced. The incident came only days after cracks were found in the engine mounts of Ansett's 767-200s and a few months after another maintenance bungle forced Ansett to ground some of the same fleet.

Civil Aviation Safety Authority safety director Mick Toller referred to the April incident as the "last straw" and the safety authority grounded Ansett's entire Boeing 767 fleet on Easter eve - the busiest day of the year.

CASA has been criticised for being heavy-handed in its approach to Ansett. However, CASA spokesman Peter Gibson said yesterday the findings vindicated the safety regulator's view that the incident was symptomatic of wider problems in Ansett's maintenance operations.


An Ansett spokesman said ambiguous documentation was partly to blame for the oversight. The spokesman said the incident had been brought to the attention of CASA by an Ansett report.

Meanwhile, Ansett yesterday launched a new wave of price cutting between capital cities. The Internet-only one-way fares came after Ansett's administrators called for the aviation industry to maintain sanity in setting fares.




User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 757 times:

Marketing vital for new Ansett


If Ansett survives, and Lindsay Fox and Solomon Lew are in the cockpit, the airline will push three key marketing ploys to win back customers.

Competitive pricing is a given.

Savvy consumers, who know how to hunt down good deals after the cut-price air fare wars of the past year, will demand a continuation of the flexible ticketing and pricing policies.

Today's relative abundance of Internet specials will remain.

In the air, Ansett Mark II will try to sell the state-of-the-art creature comforts of their new Airbus A320 fleet, with video screens behind every seat, Internet, email access and other gadgets.

But the fate of the Global Rewards program may determine how much market share Ansett is able to steal from Qantas and Virgin Blue, with the loyalty program's 2.7 million members still angered by the points that died with the airline's grounding.

More than 70 billion points are in the pool.

Ansett's new route structure will be similar to its current no-frills limited network.

Although in-flight catering will return, only capital cities - at least in the short term - are likely to be serviced.

The Golden Wing lounges, now open with scaled-back services, will return - but in terminals likely to be shared with Virgin Blue.


Darren Goodsir





User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 756 times:

AN let a plane fly in that condition?! Bloody hell. What a shocker. I am not impressed in the least!


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 751 times:

One idea for the points that I have heard suggested is that points are returned to consumers as they earn more. Eg: If you earn 5000 points on a flight you earn 5000 of your old points back. Thus you effectively get double points for your flying activity until you have earned all your previously held points back.

This would:
1. Stagger the return of all those points
2. Force previous FF points holders to lend their loyalty back to Ansett.

The bigger problem will be to entice westpac and diners club back into the program...


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 739 times:

Aussie

Interesting concept on the points, but overall
the Ansett hole is starting to look too deep to
crawl out of, it was only a week ago that the
2 Marks said the $195mil was NOT imperitive
for the Fox/Lew deal to proceed, now a backflip
and it IS needed, I agree with most here that
taxpayer money should not be used to prop up
Fox/Lew, better to liquidate and hopefully a new
airline will rise from this. It is very obvious the points
holders of AN-1 are still angry and giving AN-2 the
big miss.

Wirraway


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 726 times:

Aussie_,

That was my suggestion about the points.

Wirraway,

Where did you get that article from? *tsk tsk*

Everyone else,

I see no big deal in sharing terminal facilities with DJ. As long as DJ acts as an 'subordinate' to AN's mainline business. They can then feed off each other with DJ customers earning 1 FFP and AN customers earning .5 FFP.

On the issue of Diners club, I am a loyal Diners club member who funnelled much money through my account, mainly to receive the AN 1.5 FFP's per dollar. Currently Diners are offering 1 FFP to QF and you have to pay for QF membership. Not on, I will keep my Diners points in the hope a deal can be struck with AN in the not too distant future, otherwise I will funnel them to Krisworld or others.

United Airline & Wirraway,

That report from CASA is old news. Why are people still trying to undermine AN after all that has happened? If you want to know the truth of the matter, NZ work practices were being forced upon AN maintenance workers without proper directive or consideration.

AN's 762 fleet were run pretty hard but had exceptional maintenance done to them on a regular basis. When NZ management who had no idea how things were to be run demanded changed work practices similar to their own 762's (which had neither the cycles or work load that AN's had) inflicted changes problems were bound to happen.

Please don't sully the AN 762 engineers with these ridiculous reports.

Cheers,

mb


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