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American - A300 / DC-10  
User currently offlineCoyoteguy From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 446 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Someone posted a comment recently that American made the decison to retire the DC-10 and keep the A300, but that it was a close thing. Was this really the case, and would they have used the DC-10 on the routes where they now have the A300, had they kept it? As someone who loves the DC-10 and is not a fan of the A300, I wish they had kept the DC-10, we miss them in Miami. I'm sure the A300 is much more economical on fuel, and the age of the aircraft is much less than the DC-10, so was this really a choice they had?

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User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Most of AA DC-10s were the -10 variant which were much less advanced than the -30 and -40s that a lot of airlines still operate with the exception of HA and Sun Country. I think that the A300 would have been much more economical than the DC-10-10 in this situation.

User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

The discussion that was refered to was one that took place in early-mid 91, after the Gulf war. The original A-300's were on a 30 day walk away lease agreement. For the most part, the DC-10's were paid for. The discussion centered around the best use of cash, that is lease payments vs maint. costs and extra fuel burn on the DC-10's. As we all know the figures pointed to a more profitable future with the A-300's. As I recall, Fed-Ex about that time made an offer for the 10's as they were retired. The culmination of the meetings was the eventual transition to a 2 engined fleet. With the retirement of the MD-11 a few weeks ago, that goal has now been met.

User currently offlineCoyoteguy From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

Thanks, that all makes sense and is pretty much what I was thinking. They are not at the point of a 2 engined fleet yet though, as they still have a bunch of 727s...
Certainly they are at that point for widebodies though.



User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

Long live the memory of the AA trijets- 727s and DC-10 luxury liners.
Too bad the MD-11 thing didn't work out.
Randy


User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Yes, naturally the 727 is still there for a few months. When I wrote that my mind was focused more on widebodies. Yes, I too will miss the tri-jets.

User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

The DC-10 retirement I think also had to do with age. AA's earliest DC-10's weren't that young(for airplanes)
rgds,
blink182



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

AA's oldest DC-10-10s were delivered in the early 70s, they had to be retired.

User currently offlinePSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1117 times:

Even as of 1999, AA planned to operate DC-10's through 2002 and 727's through 2004.
The economy sped up the retirement of both.

Back at the point of the debate between the A300 & DC-10, the DC-10 fleet was still looking at a good 10+ years of service and the A300 fleet was 25 compared to the full 35-now 34 today.


User currently offlineThomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

I think if it was between the A300 and DC-10-30's or 40's the DC-10's would still be around. The one thing that surprises me about AA keeping the A300 was the cost of maintaning them in the US is supposed to be high. I don't know how true this is, but my friend, a pilot at CO, told me that that was the main reason CO got rid of them. He said that they are so rare in US fleets because they are so costly to operate in the US and don't fit well in most major US fleets with the 767 and 777 which most majors have.

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