TWA's JFK terminal standing abandoned, with construction work on the ramp going on in the foreground. I wasn't even aware TWA had moved in with American at JFK, although of course it makes sense....
When did TWA make the move?
Are there any future tennants lined up for the terminal, it's certainly one of the most famous and unusual terminals in the world, it's obvious Eero Saarinen also designed the Washington Dulles terminal! Would JetBlue be a candidate to take up the lease here, or do they already have their own terminal? Just hoping the construction work isn't preparation for demolition...
On a couple of related questions;
When will American Airlines' new New York JFK terminal be complete?
And, who's using the former Pan Am Worldport?
WarriorII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3327 times:
T5 has been killed. The gate satelites attached to the main terminal building will be demolished. I have heard plans to save the main T5 structure though, considering it is a national landmark. I would also like ot hear some more news on DL's situation on the WorldPort.
Tbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 20 Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3283 times:
This past Aug I flew out of TWA's JFK terminal and remember commenting to my friend how dead the terminal was. We didnt' even wait on line, walked right up to the check in stand and checked in, in less then 5 min's. Now under most condiontions this would be ideal, but I remember countless times the TWA terminal being packed with people, I mean it was a ghost town. Waiting for our flight we had a drink and while talking to the bartender she was telling us how AA was cutting flights everyday. Being a TWA fan and a loyal passenge for so long I have to admit it was a deppressing way to start a vacation to Vegas. This would be the last time I flew TWA out of JFK Anyway I know this doesn't answer your question but it relates to the topic and I just wanted to share my thoughts. I always loved flying TWA. So long old friend you always did have "Wings Of Pride".
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3272 times:
American originally planned to shut the terminal and transfer all remaining TWA flights out of JFK to its Terminals (8-9) but this was before September 11th. TWA flights out of JFK were terminated in early October. The JFK-CDG route was dropped because American already has two daily frequencies on this route (one a 777, the other a 767). The JFK-Cairo-Riyadh route was ended abruptly at the end of August, and the Tel Aviv route in June. St. Louis, Fort Lauderdale, San Juan, Santo Domingo, Los Angeles, and San Francisco were all that remained and are gone. The Terminal is closed. The ramps and gate areas will be demolished as part of JFK's redevelopment plan (ongoing) but the main terminal building will remain, and probably turned into a conference center within a new terminal that will service JetBlue, United Airlines, and other Star Alliance carriers.
With United's financial situation hanging by a thread, it is unlikely the project will materialize in earnest until the economy rebounds and United is profitable again. For now, I think the old TWA terminal will be just abandoned. It is a landmark though and cannot be destroyed.
Varsity From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3214 times:
To clarify, Terminal 5 is not on the National Register of Historic Places. It is only on the CITY'S register, and that does not hold the same weight. However, the Port Authority has indicated it recognises the significance of the building.
I was sent a drawing by the Port Authority showing the Saarinen terminal being connected by its original tubes to a new building that resembles a question mark, with the old terminal inside the curve. The roadways would also be brought around the back of the old building to run across the landside of the new building.
The plans also include for Terminal 6 to be demolished. But as someone said, given United's precarious financial situation I am not sure this will proceed as planned.
jetBlue, not United, is now the leaseholder for Terminal 6. So perhaps United will move into 5 and use it as-is (their concerns about overcrowding aren't a real issue right now). United is currently split between 6 & 7.
Regarding Delta's plans for the Worldport, their plan - posted last year - was to demolish it. They would then build a new wing onto Terminal 4 (the new IAB) which would house all their international fights and other SkyTeam partners. The new section would be connected to Terminal 2, which would be expanded to handle all Delta's domestic flights.
Again, given the airlines' financial situation, this seems almost frivolous at this point. I think that at least the front part of Terminal 3 (the old Worldport) should also be preserved. The cantelievered (sp?) roof is the largest of it's type in the world and I am told it would cover Yankee Stadium. It would be very easy to showcase both of these historic buildings as part of a larger terminal complex. If I can figure out how, i will post the drawing I was sent, and my own ideas for how it should be implemented. If someone knows how to do this please let me know.
PANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3178 times:
Yeah Varsity is pretty much correct.
However, in the current state of the airline industry and economy in general the Terminal 2/3 and 5/6 projects are on indefinite hold.
Ideally, 5 would become incorporated into a new super terminal that would demolish 6 and include B6, HP, UA, and others.
This may or may not happen. At last not very soon. PANYNJ did transfer control of T5 to JetBlue from UA so they are responsible for the terminal's upkeep, mx, renovation etc.... now.
Terminal 3 (Worldport), is now home to Delta, Aeroflot, CSA, Royal Jordanian, Air Europa, AeroMexico, and a few others.
Terminal 2 is more Delta, Saudi Arabian, Malev, TACA, and Air Jamaica.
Anyone who knows T3 knows that it would suit the travelling public best by being destroyed. As nice as the cantilevered roof is, it is an awful place. One can't enter the terminal without going through security first (I don't know what they are doing about the new rules). Additionally getting from the international arrivals area up to the departures level is hell, there are only 2 elevators that work very slow. Lines and lines and lines.
Additionally, it is very confusing for people who pick passengers up on which area to go to, international arrivals underneath the terminal or domestic arrivals in the front. very confusing.
It is a relic of the past but has no business in modern day air travel and should be replaced with some beautiful, efficient, and grand that will help make JFK the world-class airport that it is.
Skyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1065 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3156 times:
You guys can blast me if you want, personally I don't care but here goes. If you think that the TWA terminal is so damned inportant to keep, why not the Worldport? It may have its problems, but the same can be said of the TWA building. In my opinion neither one if them should be torn down. Not only are they architectually unusual, but they represent a massive amount of aviation history. There should be improvments made to accomodate the changes that have happened since they were built, but I am sure that could be done. After all when PanAm took over National, there were immense changes made by TWA when they took over the National terminal. So things can be done, as long as the powers that be are willing to do them.
Skyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1065 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3137 times:
Twaneedsnohelp-you might want to verify your info and compare it with what Varsity has found out. That is, TWA's building is protected by the City's register, not Federal. That would mean it too can be torn down. I'm sure you didn't mean it(at least I hope so) but you came across as one who doesn't care what happens to something that means a lot to someone else, just don't let anything happen to something you like. That is just plain rude. It is a sad thing that TWA is being lost to history just like PanAm. I truly hope that their building doesn't have the same thing happen to it.
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5484 posts, RR: 20 Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3117 times:
thats sad! I flew out of there last year, and I had a snack with my mom on that little restaurant on the upper floor. I remember looking down at the people coming through the doors! I remember that large board with flights on it, and walking across "The Tube" to get to the boarding area. The boarding area was cool, with the reddish carpet. That is very sad!
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52 Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
Two slight corrections on what ContinentalEWR said:
1) You mentioned FLL as one of the last TW destinations out of JFK to go. Actually, you meant to say MIA.
AA decided to shut down TW's JFK operations earlier than originally planned, and lay 800 people off. The rest were allowed to transfer to St. Louis if they wanted, and several did. Many are currently commuting between NYC and STL.
2) There is still some debate as to whether one of the tunnels to the original flight wing will be protected. Another issue is all of the ground contaminaton that has to be cleaned up before a new terminal can be built, and who would pay for it.
The bottom line is that whatever is built, it will be built around T5, and the plans right now are for T5 to become some kind of museum (not necessarily exclusively TW).
BUT, HERE'S THE MOST IMPORTANT AND SHOCKING NEWS:
I have decided that my loyalty does NOT automatically transfer to American. In fact, I contacted none other than CONTINENTAL a couple of days ago to see if they would match my AAdvantage Executive Platinum status, and they said "no problem". Thus, I will now be flying CONTINENTAL (and Northwest) almost exclusively. Better program. Better flight choices. Better service (on CO, NOT NW). However, I will not be changing my username to "OnePass".
Skiordie From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 73 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3086 times:
Here is my 10 cents. Put Jetblue into the TWA terminal. A simple change from TWA red to JetBLUE would keep the historical presence for the terminal. At the same time it would provide the fastest growing NYC airline with marquee and status that would make them the envy of JFK and NYC.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3064 times:
Someone suggested United would move in to T5 as is. That would be interesting. Some interior remodeling is a must. Terminal 5 was to some extent neglected by a financially troubled TWA. United's presence at JFK is relatively small but still, when operations return to normal, they do serve Tokyo, London, Buenos Aires, Sao Paolo, Seattle, LAX, SFO, and short hops to Boston, Washington DC, weekend flights to SJU, and have rights to fly JFK-CCS. It would be nice to see a 747 at the TWA terminal again (UA's 744's and 777's operate to NRT), and the 767-300's that go to LHR, the one 777 to LHR, and the 767's that go to West Coast and Latin America.