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What's Happening To TWA's New York JFK Terminal?  
User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 58
Posted (12 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 3775 times:
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I was looking through Chris Sheldon's most recent photo's in the database and noticed this;

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TWA's JFK terminal standing abandoned, with construction work on the ramp going on in the foreground. I wasn't even aware TWA had moved in with American at JFK, although of course it makes sense....

When did TWA make the move?

Are there any future tennants lined up for the terminal, it's certainly one of the most famous and unusual terminals in the world, it's obvious Eero Saarinen also designed the Washington Dulles terminal! Would JetBlue be a candidate to take up the lease here, or do they already have their own terminal? Just hoping the construction work isn't preparation for demolition...

On a couple of related questions;
When will American Airlines' new New York JFK terminal be complete?
And, who's using the former Pan Am Worldport?

Thanks in advance for your replies

Regards
CROSSWIND

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User currently offlineWarriorII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 3678 times:

T5 has been killed. The gate satelites attached to the main terminal building will be demolished. I have heard plans to save the main T5 structure though, considering it is a national landmark. I would also like ot hear some more news on DL's situation on the WorldPort.

-Tom


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 3662 times:

The origianl terminal building is a US National Historic Landmark. As such it can never been torn down. At least under current law.


Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

How about turning it into a museum dedicated to TWA?


Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Greetings:

This past Aug I flew out of TWA's JFK terminal and remember commenting to my friend how dead the terminal was. We didnt' even wait on line, walked right up to the check in stand and checked in, in less then 5 min's. Now under most condiontions this would be ideal, but I remember countless times the TWA terminal being packed with people, I mean it was a ghost town. Waiting for our flight we had a drink and while talking to the bartender she was telling us how AA was cutting flights everyday. Being a TWA fan and a loyal passenge for so long I have to admit it was a deppressing way to start a vacation to Vegas. This would be the last time I flew TWA out of JFK  Crying Anyway I know this doesn't answer your question but it relates to the topic and I just wanted to share my thoughts. I always loved flying TWA. So long old friend you always did have "Wings Of Pride".

Thanx
Tom


User currently offlineBaec777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1231 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3625 times:

Terminal 5 should become TWA Museum on the Past TWA history. I agree with Dragon-wings on this also...  Smile




Baec777  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

American originally planned to shut the terminal and transfer all remaining TWA flights out of JFK to its Terminals (8-9) but this was before September 11th. TWA flights out of JFK were terminated in early October. The JFK-CDG route was dropped because American already has two daily frequencies on this route (one a 777, the other a 767). The JFK-Cairo-Riyadh route was ended abruptly at the end of August, and the Tel Aviv route in June. St. Louis, Fort Lauderdale, San Juan, Santo Domingo, Los Angeles, and San Francisco were all that remained and are gone. The Terminal is closed. The ramps and gate areas will be demolished as part of JFK's redevelopment plan (ongoing) but the main terminal building will remain, and probably turned into a conference center within a new terminal that will service JetBlue, United Airlines, and other Star Alliance carriers.

With United's financial situation hanging by a thread, it is unlikely the project will materialize in earnest until the economy rebounds and United is profitable again. For now, I think the old TWA terminal will be just abandoned. It is a landmark though and cannot be destroyed.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineWarriorII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

I have also heard half-baked plans to turn the main Terminal building into a museum of some sort.

-Tom (Still awaiting news on the WorldPort)


User currently offlineVarsity From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

To clarify, Terminal 5 is not on the National Register of Historic Places. It is only on the CITY'S register, and that does not hold the same weight. However, the Port Authority has indicated it recognises the significance of the building.

I was sent a drawing by the Port Authority showing the Saarinen terminal being connected by its original tubes to a new building that resembles a question mark, with the old terminal inside the curve. The roadways would also be brought around the back of the old building to run across the landside of the new building.

The plans also include for Terminal 6 to be demolished. But as someone said, given United's precarious financial situation I am not sure this will proceed as planned.

jetBlue, not United, is now the leaseholder for Terminal 6. So perhaps United will move into 5 and use it as-is (their concerns about overcrowding aren't a real issue right now). United is currently split between 6 & 7.

Regarding Delta's plans for the Worldport, their plan - posted last year - was to demolish it. They would then build a new wing onto Terminal 4 (the new IAB) which would house all their international fights and other SkyTeam partners. The new section would be connected to Terminal 2, which would be expanded to handle all Delta's domestic flights.

Again, given the airlines' financial situation, this seems almost frivolous at this point. I think that at least the front part of Terminal 3 (the old Worldport) should also be preserved. The cantelievered (sp?) roof is the largest of it's type in the world and I am told it would cover Yankee Stadium. It would be very easy to showcase both of these historic buildings as part of a larger terminal complex. If I can figure out how, i will post the drawing I was sent, and my own ideas for how it should be implemented. If someone knows how to do this please let me know.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24812 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

This has to be a first....Crosswind asking for info!  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlinePANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Yeah Varsity is pretty much correct.

However, in the current state of the airline industry and economy in general the Terminal 2/3 and 5/6 projects are on indefinite hold.

Ideally, 5 would become incorporated into a new super terminal that would demolish 6 and include B6, HP, UA, and others.

This may or may not happen. At last not very soon. PANYNJ did transfer control of T5 to JetBlue from UA so they are responsible for the terminal's upkeep, mx, renovation etc.... now.

Terminal 3 (Worldport), is now home to Delta, Aeroflot, CSA, Royal Jordanian, Air Europa, AeroMexico, and a few others.

Terminal 2 is more Delta, Saudi Arabian, Malev, TACA, and Air Jamaica.

Anyone who knows T3 knows that it would suit the travelling public best by being destroyed. As nice as the cantilevered roof is, it is an awful place. One can't enter the terminal without going through security first (I don't know what they are doing about the new rules). Additionally getting from the international arrivals area up to the departures level is hell, there are only 2 elevators that work very slow. Lines and lines and lines.

Additionally, it is very confusing for people who pick passengers up on which area to go to, international arrivals underneath the terminal or domestic arrivals in the front. very confusing.

It is a relic of the past but has no business in modern day air travel and should be replaced with some beautiful, efficient, and grand that will help make JFK the world-class airport that it is.

PANYNJ


User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

You guys can blast me if you want, personally I don't care but here goes. If you think that the TWA terminal is so damned inportant to keep, why not the Worldport? It may have its problems, but the same can be said of the TWA building. In my opinion neither one if them should be torn down. Not only are they architectually unusual, but they represent a massive amount of aviation history. There should be improvments made to accomodate the changes that have happened since they were built, but I am sure that could be done. After all when PanAm took over National, there were immense changes made by TWA when they took over the National terminal. So things can be done, as long as the powers that be are willing to do them.

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Well its pretty simple. T5 is protected and T3 isn't.

User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Twaneedsnohelp-you might want to verify your info and compare it with what Varsity has found out. That is, TWA's building is protected by the City's register, not Federal. That would mean it too can be torn down. I'm sure you didn't mean it(at least I hope so) but you came across as one who doesn't care what happens to something that means a lot to someone else, just don't let anything happen to something you like. That is just plain rude. It is a sad thing that TWA is being lost to history just like PanAm. I truly hope that their building doesn't have the same thing happen to it.

User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

PAN AM terminal is now operated by Delta.
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5499 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

thats sad!  Crying I flew out of there last year, and I had a snack with my mom on that little restaurant on the upper floor. I remember looking down at the people coming through the doors! I remember that large board with flights on it, and walking across "The Tube" to get to the boarding area. The boarding area was cool, with the reddish carpet. That is very sad!

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

Two slight corrections on what ContinentalEWR said:

1) You mentioned FLL as one of the last TW destinations out of JFK to go. Actually, you meant to say MIA.

AA decided to shut down TW's JFK operations earlier than originally planned, and lay 800 people off. The rest were allowed to transfer to St. Louis if they wanted, and several did. Many are currently commuting between NYC and STL.


2) There is still some debate as to whether one of the tunnels to the original flight wing will be protected. Another issue is all of the ground contaminaton that has to be cleaned up before a new terminal can be built, and who would pay for it.


The bottom line is that whatever is built, it will be built around T5, and the plans right now are for T5 to become some kind of museum (not necessarily exclusively TW).



BUT, HERE'S THE MOST IMPORTANT AND SHOCKING NEWS:

I have decided that my loyalty does NOT automatically transfer to American. In fact, I contacted none other than CONTINENTAL a couple of days ago to see if they would match my AAdvantage Executive Platinum status, and they said "no problem". Thus, I will now be flying CONTINENTAL (and Northwest) almost exclusively. Better program. Better flight choices. Better service (on CO, NOT NW). However, I will not be changing my username to "OnePass".



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineVarsity From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

PANYNJ said:

"This may or may not happen. At last not very soon. PANYNJ did transfer control of T5 to JetBlue from UA so they are responsible for the terminal's upkeep, mx, renovation etc.... now. "

You mean Terminal 6 don't you? jetBlue and United are in 6, not 5.




User currently offlineSkiordie From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Here is my 10 cents. Put Jetblue into the TWA terminal. A simple change from TWA red to JetBLUE would keep the historical presence for the terminal. At the same time it would provide the fastest growing NYC airline with marquee and status that would make them the envy of JFK and NYC.

A New Yorkers 10 cents.


User currently offlinePANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Yup, I mean T6, thanks for the correction!

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Someone suggested United would move in to T5 as is. That would be interesting. Some interior remodeling is a must. Terminal 5 was to some extent neglected by a financially troubled TWA. United's presence at JFK is relatively small but still, when operations return to normal, they do serve Tokyo, London, Buenos Aires, Sao Paolo, Seattle, LAX, SFO, and short hops to Boston, Washington DC, weekend flights to SJU, and have rights to fly JFK-CCS. It would be nice to see a 747 at the TWA terminal again (UA's 744's and 777's operate to NRT), and the 767-300's that go to LHR, the one 777 to LHR, and the 767's that go to West Coast and Latin America.



User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

I agree with Skiordie. From Red to Blue, and people could still visit that terminal and REMEMBER the days of Trans World, why New York's Best Airline remains in New Yorks Best Terminal... GO JETBLUE

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