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Ex BA 747-200's At Cardiff And Hong Kong?  
User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4606 times:


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For the record the two Ex BA 747-200's that came to Hong Kong for cargo conversion, G-BDXP and G-BDXM are still here.

G-BDXP arrived in February and is still parked all white at HAECO as TF-ATZ and G-BDXM arrived in June and is now all white with no reg or engines.

Have Air Atlanta changed their minds about getting these tow aircraft ??. Another BA 742 was due in about two months ago but at the last moment the flight was cancelled and we never heard about it again.

One question I have is who is paying for these two 747's to sit in Hong Kong ??

If any of you can give some answers then please do.

Thanks

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User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 4415 times:

Not only have Air Atlanta not changed their minds about the two aircraft at HKG but they are actually buying additional ex BA aircraft - one of my colleagues has been busy over the last few months writing their manuals. The reason that no work has progressed on the ones at HKG is that with the downturn in the cargo market, it's cheaper for them to park the aircraft 'as is' rather than park them after spending millions on the conversion.

Rather logical, really!


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

For your info Hong Kong is a very bad place to store aircraft, its right next to the ocean, its very humid and bloody expensive. It would make far more sense to move these un wanted aircraft to the US for storage.

It may be `rather logical' for you but the rest of us are not aviation experts that have operated their own aircraft and plan to have a fleet of 767' !!!


User currently offlineVS744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

that seems like such a shame to see all those 742's parked up....when they should be in the sky!

p.s. there are two at MAN as well apparently - opposite T2 in the corner.


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4343 times:

If you had a `few' millon spare it would be a ver good time to buy some of these, store them in a cheap place and then whe the market gets better sell them !!

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Does any one know what the reg of G-BDXM will be ??

User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

G-BDXA B.747-236B 21238 ex N1790B wfu Marana (Snapdragon Ltd)
G-BDXB B.747-236B 21239 ex N8280V wfu Kemble Union Flag c/s, temp.dba Dreamflight
G-BDXC B.747-236B 21240 wfu Manchester
G-BDXD B.747-236B 21241 ex N8285V wfu Roswell,NM Blue Poole c/s
G-BDXE B.747-236B 21350 wfu Cardiff
G-BDXF B.747-236B 21351 wfu Cardiff
G-BDXG B.747-236B 21536 wfu Cardiff Blomsterang c/s
G-BDXH B.747-236B 21635 wfu Cardiff Dreamflight c/s
G-BDXI B.747-236B 21830 wfu Cardiff
G-BDXJ B.747-236B 21831 ex N1792B wfu Cardiff
G-BDXK B.747-236B 22303 wfu Gatwick Chelsea Rose c/s
G-BDXL B.747-236B 22304 ntu, to 9M-MHI
G-BDXL B.747-236B 22305 ex N8280V wfu Cardiff G-BDXM ntu
G-BDXM B.747-236B(S) 23711 ex N6055X wfu Hong Kong (Bulfinch Ltd)
G-BDXN B.747-236B(S) 23735 ex N6046P wfu
G-BDXN B.747-236B 22442 ntu, to 9M-MHJ
G-BDXO B.747-236B 23799 ex N6055X wfu Cardiff Paithani c/s
G-BDXP B.747-236B(S) 24088 ex N6009F wfu Hong Kong (Snapdragon Ltd) reg cancelled to Iceland 7/01 (Air Atlanta Icelandic ?)
G-BJXN B.747-230B 20527 ex N611BN to N78019
G-BLVE B.747-2B4B(S) 21097 ex N202AE to N202AE
G-BLVF B.747-2B4B(S) 21098 ex N203AE to N203AE
G-BMGS B.747-283B 20121 ex LN-AEO to G-VOYG


User currently offlineCoyoteguy From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

Of course to some people it is logical to buy 40 clapped out old Tristars and fly them from some Scottish airport in the middle of nowhere...

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4277 times:



User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

No loss here. Those things were very unreliable and always had mechanical problems. Ask the folks from Seattle. They will tell you.

User currently offlineCathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

it's kinda sad to see all those beautiful planes being stored.....  Sad

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User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Hkgspotter1 - indeed so; and that's why you're an aircraft spotter and I've run airlines. Still, logic is logic - and you'll be interested to know that they are paying zip for the parking (because the aircraft are in the care of Haeco and Haeco doesn't want to lose the work when CC finally press the 'go' button) and you'll have noticed that the aircraft have - as is shown in the list provided by ILS been deregisterd. This means that they cannot now be ferried without first having a CofA - which is slightly difficult to get when the aircraft is in bits. Big grin Big grin Big grin

As for using old aircraft - let me put it this way. If you were running an airline, would you prefer to have new aircraft that cost you gazillions whether or not you fly them; or old ones that are fully amortised? With the price of fuel sinking like a stone, the operational cost benefits outweigh the disadvantages as well.

FYI, the only reason BA and Virgin parked their Classics was because the lessors refused to take back the expensive new kit - and fleet cuts had to be made. The cheapest aircraft to park were those which had been fully amortised.

Once again, all rather logical really!  Insane Big grin  Insane

Oh, and Coyoteguy - get your facts straight. Although we'd have acquired the entire Delta L1011 package of some 30 aircraft, only 7 would have been returned to service immediately. And what's wrong with Prestwick? It's been Scotland's transatlantic gateway for decades longer than Glasgow - and has a substantially longer runway.

Incidentally, G-BJXN (certainly) plus I think G-BLVE, G-BLVF and G-BMGS - were all acquired by BA when they bought BCal.


User currently offlineCharliecossie From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 479 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

Only JXN was ex-BCal. MGS (Must Go Sick) was the British Airtours heap. LVE/F I dunno but weren't BCal (or Gatwick based).
The list above also contains two a/c that BA never even saw, the two cargo a/c that went directly to MAS.


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Celidih,

You are a very funny person, you still think you will own a fleet of 767's dont you. Look at the joke you made of yourself with the L1011's !!

As for the Ex BA's at HAECO, I would imagine the local spotters know more about them then you. For the record they are not in bits.


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Hkgspotter1 - You mentioned 767s, not me.  Insane

Actually, through one of my colleagues that's doing some work for CC - as previously mentioned - I can confirm that they are indeed in bits. Might not seem like it to a reggie spotter like you, but you definitely can't just start up those aircraft and go! Big grin Big grin Big grin


User currently offlineCoyoteguy From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

Can you believe Ceilidh: "That is why you are a spotter and I have run airlines"... what cloud does this guy live in?

As for Prestwick, I believe, using my very small amount of aviation knowledge, that the reason it was Scotland's transatlantic gateway for decades is because the government decreed that it would be; not because anyone actually wanted to fly from there. What is wrong with Prestwick? Like I said, it is in the middle of nowhere. Quite logical, actually!

As I am just a spotter and you have run airlines (ROTFLMAO), I'm sure I'm wrong... but I'll believe what you say the day I see even seven L1011s in Caledonian Wings liveries operating from the middle of nowhere. Until then, you are just so much hot air as far as I am concerned.


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

Coyoteguy,

You would think he's made an idiot of himself enough already, but no !!


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

Coyoteguy - "very small amount" of aviation knowledge is about right. Sure, PIK was the mandated gateway; but it's also the only non-military airport in Scotland with a runway long enough to allow widebodies to operate at MTOW - permitting non stop services to the West Coast of North America. It's also the primary weather diversion airport for much of Western Europe - when the rest of Europe is fogged in, you can guarantee PIK will be open.

As for your claim it's in the middle of nowhere - actually, it's situated in Ayrshire, in the centre of the southwest of Scotland. Glasgow is a 40 minute rail ride away - and one heck of a lot easier and faster to get to from the centre of town than say MIA is from downtown Miami; I've done both many times. PIK is also readily accessible from Edinburgh.

Yes, I've run a number of airlines, with aircraft ranging in size from the Let 410 up to B707/DC8/CL44.

You certainly won't see any aircraft in Caledonian Wings livery - that was just a project name - but I'm pretty confident that you may well be eating your words shortly. And we all know how accurate journalists are when it comes to aviation matters! Big grin Big grin Big grin



User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7377 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4147 times:
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It's also the primary weather diversion airport for much of Western Europe

What planet are you on? So if weather clogs up VIE, all the little Tyrolean Cl65s ignore other Austrian and German airports and make a beeline for PIK?

Or do you mean the long-haul flights? If so, I reckon MAN has just as good a shout as PIK as the "home" of diverted aircraft with 8th Feb 92 being a classic example when 19 747s, 2 DC10s, 1 A310, 1 707 and 1 Tu154 came in from the London aiports (all the 747s being on the ground at the same time). I noted a total of 30 widebodied aircraft during the 90 minutes I was at MAN.

David/MAN


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

Sure, PIK has the best weather record of any Western European airport, but I doubt its the main diversion airport for most of Western Europe.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

I do of course mean long haul flights - and PIK is a heck of a lot cheaper than MAN!

User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

What amazes me about these forums is how many contributors who've never worked in the industry seem to think they know better than the airlines themselves, and the people who have or do work in the industry. The future for the industry must surely be bright, because there's so many people here who know how to run things there'll be no shortage of wisdom at the top of airlines globally in the coming years  Big grin

In actual fact, if you've been "inside", it really doesn't take too long to figure out who's at least making a modicum of sense and who's obviously just shooting from the hip.

Its all too easy in the airline game to get a "bad" name (or to be perceived so) just because one or two plans don't fall into place - if the contributors here knew of every potential deal the was in the offing in the industry, a fair proportion of which don't come off, there'd be a huge number of well know industry names (respected and not so respected) who'd be being regarded with ridicule on this forum.

Have a nice day!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Andy


User currently offlineCoyoteguy From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

Sorry Ceilidh, I'm not familiar with your illustrious career to date, but since you have run a number of airlines, pray tell us what happened to them all?

So, Caledonian Wings was just a project name? Not according to your website, which is still trumpeting the commencement of operations early next year, using three L1011s. First rule of commerce nowadays; an accurate and up to date website.

Sure, I'll eat my words when I see it. I might even try eating one of your tristars!

Have a great day - let me know what airline you run today.


User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4099 times:


Oh dear, the 'spotting' fraternity are taking on Ceilidh!

Watch out boys, professional people have tried and failed on another website.

Love him or loath him, Ceilidh (aka The Guvnor) does know his stuff. stick to taking numbers unless you are 101% sure of your facts or have the skin of a rhino.


User currently offlineCoyoteguy From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

Not taking him on, as actually I don't give a **** about him or his inflated opinions... And I find his "I'm a big airline CEO and know everything" attitude to be quite laughable. Check his website. You will see what I mean!

25 Post contains images Ceilidh : Actually, Coyoteguy - I most certainly do not have an "I'm a big airline CEO and know everything" attitude as you claim. Indeed, quite the opposite. G
26 David_itl : I wonder if "reggie spotter" Sir Michael Bishop is lurking on these forums! David/MAN. ps Yes, I'm a "reggie spotter" who has been to MAN precisely 3
27 Coyoteguy : Yes, Ceilidh, you are spot on. I am ridiculing you! Finally we agree on something! And any true "industry insider" should have better things to do tha
28 EGFF : Ok...If your on about the aircraft in Cardiff (EGFF) are in bits you are absolutely wrong! Hence the name, im a local spotter to Cardiff and i can tel
29 Post contains images Ceilidh : EGFF - I'm talking about the ones at HKG destined for Air Atlanta. Not sure where you think anyone's talking about CWL in this context! Coyoteguy - so
30 Post contains images EGFF : Ok Ceilidh, no need for the sarcasm!
31 Bmi330 : can you tell me the name of this web site that ceilidh has set up forn his airline and also pik is not in the middle of no where because it has around
32 Post contains links Ceilidh : EGFF - no sarcasm intended in my comment to you. Bmi330 - GLA's runway is too short to allow MTOW operations and as you know it can't be extended beca
33 Bmi330 : thanks for the address ceilidh and i am just wondering where you will fly to and also if you have finacial backing for the airline
34 David_itl : Mustn't forget that Ryanair's atlas alters placenames: Paris = Beauvais, Frankfurt = Hahn, Brussels = Charleroi and London = Stagnated Not quite the s
35 Bmi330 : yeah i get the point david_it but transport links are v good between glasgow and ayr and dose man not have around 15times as many passingers cause man
36 Post contains links and images Ceilidh : David_itl - ah, but PIK is the fastest growing airport in the UK in terms of both pax and cargo! Having had the interesting experience of costing oper
37 Post contains images Ceilidh : Forgot to add that PIK will be doing over 2m pax this year - not bad considering the only sked operator is FR! Train takes 40 mins to GLA; and if you'
38 Coyoteguy : Wow, is there any facet of the industry in which Ceilidh has not been involved? So now Caledonian Wings or Celtic Airways or whatever it may be called
39 Hkgspotter1 : Is Caledonian Airways a real carrier or one of those virtual airlines ??. You know those virtual airlines guys can be very serious. Has anyone made a
40 Post contains images David_itl : Ceilidh Are we talking about this year's figures? Not extrapolated them from the CAA data...more concerned with "my" region and working out why Air M
41 Ceilidh : [b]David_itl[/b] - yes, these are the current year's figures. As for MK, I am given to understand that the costs of operating to MAN had been a major
42 Post contains images Hkgspotter1 : Celidih, "This means that they cannot now be ferried without first having a CofA - which is slightly difficult to get when the aircraft is in bits" We
43 Coyoteguy : Coolidh probably pulled some strings for them, since he knows everybody everywhere!
44 Cx flyboy : I thought I saw a sticker on the side that said "Operated by Caledonian Wings" actually. Amazing.
45 Hkgspotter1 : Or was that Dream boy Express ??
46 Coyoteguy : ROTFLMAO... What a great name for an airline Hkgspotter1, in fact if you don't mind, I will use it for the airline I am starting. I just appointed mys
47 Post contains images Hkgspotter1 : Coyoteguy, Strange how that 747 flew in bits dont you think Ceilidh must be talking to his buddy at Air Atlanta to ask them why they never told him it
48 Post contains images Ceilidh : Hmmm, do you think that Haeco (whose business is taking aircraft to pieces and putting them together again) might have had something to do with it? Or
49 Hkgspotter1 : I see you have avoided the question and just tried to put the focus on something else. Your so good at that. P.S. How many full time staff do you have
50 Coyoteguy : Still waiting for answers to my questions too.... but i'm not holding my breath. I was letting the topic die, but since Ceilidh has gone on the attack
51 Hkgspotter1 : Dont forget to send one or two to CLK, we never see any IL-62's in Hong Kong.
52 Post contains images Ceilidh : Hkgspotter1 - core staff of 12 - of which four are full time at present - which will increase to 122 for the first two operational aircraft. Given mod
53 CroFlight : Im so happy to hear that you are starting an "all-Il-62" airline, Coyoteguy!!! It sounds like a really good idea! Also, I would like to offer you here
54 SUDDEN : If my memory serves me correct, this topic WAS about the parked BA 747's. Can you guys stop picking on eachother, and for ones stick to the subject? W
55 Coyoteguy : Thanks for the offer CroFlight, it sounds like an excellent plan; I was concerned as to the viability of serving so many middle-of-nowhere airports di
56 Post contains links and images CroFlight : It seems like we are starting something really big here, Coyoteguy!!! I have to mention that GWIF is allready connecting various important airports in
57 Coyoteguy : Sure, we can lease that L1011. Looks like it is in flying condition, just ask Ceilidh to patch the holes for us. We will use it on our trunk routes, s
58 CroFlight : Yeah, maybe we should consider seats... I thought about puting the seats in our aircrafts, but our passengers were more than happy with standing place
59 Coyoteguy : Standing room is fine with me, if you have already tested it and the pax are happy, at least we can pack them in. I'll call Boris at Aeroflot and ask
60 CroFlight : Please, call Boris inmediatelly. It is very important that he removes the seats, otherwise we have to remove it ourselves which makes additional expen
61 Hkgspotter1 : OK, back to the EX-BA 747's, they are both still in Hong Kong at this time. Coyoteguy, Can I be your rep in Hong Kong, I mean I did give you the name
62 Cx flyboy : I'd happily fly for such a prestigous company, but only if you get me at least a stool to sit on. I'll do it for free too, as long as the crew hotel h
63 Coyoteguy : Hkgspotter1 - Sure, we will be delighted for you to rep us over there, since you so kindly gave me the name for the airline. As you see, I am now in c
64 Cx flyboy : Coyoteguy, Any update on this great new airline? Just for all your info, TF-ATZ (ex G-BDXP), the aircraft which has no CofA, departed HKG yesterday on
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