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Hey! It's.....TAAG Angola Airlines!  
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Thought you might want to check these guys out-the livery is quite novel don't you think?

http://www.taag-airlines.com/

R they still flying over to Cuba? Wonder what their First Class is like! Big grin


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User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Unfortunately, TAAG doesn't use IL-62s anymore. I always thought it would be great to see one of those.

According to the August issue of the TAAG inflight magazine "Austral" they operate only the 747-300 Combi and the 737-200. The 747s operate to Lisbon (2x/wk), Paris CDG (1x/wk), JNB (3x/wk), and Rio de Janeiro (3x.wk). 737s are used to Harare (1x/wk), Windhoek (3x/wk), Point Nore (2x/wk), Kinshasa (2x/wk), Sao Tome (1x/wk), and Lubango (4x/wk). Neither the timetable or inflight magazine that I have show domestic schedules.

While the inflight magazine indicates a route from Luanda to Ilha do Sal and Havana, the timetable I picked up in JNB says that the route is "inactive".
The route was developed during Cold War times to facilitate the transport for Cuban political advisors and military personnel to Angola which at the time was a socialist country allied with the USSR.



User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

my gosh Planenutz, you are so knowlegeable! That is really 'inside' info on TAAG! Respect you are due!

Well, we won't be flying them when i go there at Xmas, but hey, I want to go to Namikbia, might use them to thisnplace.

Thanks for your information man!


User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Hi,
I don't know what's going on at TAAG Angola Airlines now but I know a bit about their history. I know the company was founded as DTA (Divisão dos Transportes Aéreos- Division of Air Transport) by the colonial administration in 1938. The company was reorganised and renamed in 1973 as TAAG Angola Airlines being 50% owned by the provincial government of Angola, 33% owned by TAP and the rest owned being in private hands. In 1974 the company's fleet consisted of 6 Fokker F27s and 6 Douglas DC-3s. In that year 2 Boeing 727-200s were ordered by the company, they never got them because of independence in 1975. According to the February 1974 timetable their destinations in Angola are:
Ambriz, Ambrizete, Benguela, Cabinda, Henrique de Carvalho, Jamba, Lobito, Luanda, Luso, Malanje, Maquela do Zombo, Moçâmedes, Nova Lisboa, Novo Redondo, Pereira de Eça, Porto Amboim, Portugália, Sá da Bandeira, Santo António do Zaire, São Salvador do Congo, Serpa Pinto, Silva Porto and Toto.
Outside of Angola they served São Tomé twice weekly from Luanda and had two weekly Luanda-Sá da Bandeira-Windhoek flights both operated with F27s.
Flights from Luanda to Beira and Lourenço Marques in Mozambique, Johannesburg-South Africa, Salisbury-Rhodesia and to Lisbon were all operated by TAP.


User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Who would like to sell their TAAG timetables? If you're selling I'm buying.

User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Unfortunately, I don't think that TAAG has published a high class glossy timetable in years.

When I mentioned "timetable" in my earlier post, what was stacked on the ticket sales desk at JNB was a single piece of paper with a speadsheet printout listing all 44 weekly international flights. If you write TAAG in Jo'burg (P.O. Box 751630, Gardenview 2047, South Africa) they'll probably send you a copy.





User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Thanks for the info. I was at Rio one day when their flight arrived and not a single person was at their ticket counter to answer questions. Their outbound flight wasn't until the next day though.

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Well, thank you very much for sharing that information.

Sorry if my earlier post seemed a little odd, unfortunately I had decided to log-on to Airliners.Net whilst still under the influence of alcohol.  Crying

The domestic network in itself seemed quite extensive, although I wonder in what shape it is in now.

Regards


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2388 times:


Hi!

I first recall seeing TAAG in Lisbon in 1978 when they got their first 707's quite old, D2-TAC and D2-TAD, those planes gave a lot of money to TAP maintenance department, latter they got a better one 707, this time from SAUDIA - D2-TAG. For a while these planes flew quite often to Lisbon/Cuba/France, but in 1980 or 1981 they got 2 good 707's ex: Western, these planes came with quite good performance and they where registred D2-TOL and D2-TOM, when TAP started to sell their 707's TAAG bought ex: CS-TBE that was registred D2-TOP, it was quite common to see them in Lisbon, sometimes we could see 2 of their 707's at Lisbon, D2-TAG was latter re-registred D2-TOG and was used as an all cargo 707. I also saw at at least 2 L100 Hercules also with full TAAG colours, D2-THA and D2-THB and see this - I saw also a B. 737-200 making a flight from Luanda to Lisbon!!! I like very much their livery, it's one of the most beautifull ones I've seen!
regards


User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

I found another TAAG timetable, actually DTA from March of 1953. This timetable includes a weekly flight to Leopoldville from Luanda using a DC-3 as well as another weekly flight: Luanda-Santo António do Zaire-Cabinda-Pointe Noire (French Equatorial Africa).The planes listed in the fleet include DC-3s, DeHavilland Dragon Rapides, Beech D18s and Stinsons(?). In 1969 the company still operated 7 DC-3s, 2 F27s and 2 Beechcrafts. On an interesting sidenote in March of 1974, these were non-stop flights on international airlines that connected Luanda with the outside world (TAP is not included since it was considered domestic):

Luanda-Athens 1 weekly 707: SAA
Luanda-Brussels 3 weekly 707: Sabena
Luanda-Johannesburg 1 weekly 707, 2 weekly 747: SAA
and 2 weekly 707: Varig.
Luanda-Las Palmas 3 weekly 747: SAA
Luanda-Lisbon 3 weekly 747: SAA
Luanda-London (Heathrow) 6 weekly 747: SAA
Luanda-Rio de Janeiro 2 weekly 707: Varig
Luanda-Zurich 2 weekly 747: SAA


User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

is that what you always fly to angola, Capt.Picard?


thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Hi

No, last year we used TAP via LIS. The flight to LIS was great, the service on their A340 to LAD was very bad, and we weren't impressed, as we were flying Navigator class with my family.

The flights were on-time, but it was the cabin service that was extremely bad-very rude flight attendants that would only reply to us in Portuguese.  Sad

I will now fly with South African via JNB, and then back to the UK with AF via CDG (from LAD.)

According to BA's November edition of High Life, BA provide a service from London to Luanda. Quite obviously this isn't the case, so I am wondering why they have a spoke on their route map from London to Luanda.  Confused

(It would be fantastic if they did fly there, nonstop reliable service London-Luanda would be great!)

Thanks so much for the timetable & aircraft information!

I beleive the 'Stinson' referred to above is a tri-motor aircraft, it is actually featured in an article in this month's Airways magazine, where it was apparently used by Boston-Maine Airways in the USA in the 30's (I think....)

Thanks to all of you for the information.

Angola has some of the best beaches around.....not many people and NO tourists (apart from my family!)  Wink/being sarcastic

Obrigado & Regards


User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Here is the current TAAG schedule for international flights:

DT 522
LAD CAB 300P 400P
CAB PNR 430P 530P 737 (tues)
DT 523 PNR LAD 700A 800A 737 (wed)
DT 524 LAD PNR 800A 900A 737 (wed)
DT 525 PNR LAD 600P 700P 737 (wed)
DT 526 LAD PNR 600A 700A 737 (fri)
DT 527 PNR LAD 800A 900A 737 (fri)
DT 528 LAD PNR 730P 830P 737 (fri)
DT 529 PNR LAD 930P1030P 737 (fri)
DT 540 LAD FIH 300P 400P 737 (sat)
DT 541 FIH LAD 500P 600P 737 (sat)
DT 542 LAD FIH 300P 400P 737 (wed)
DT 543 FIH LAD 500P 600P 737 (wed)
DT 571
LAD SDD 800A 900A
SDD WDH 930A 1100A 737 (thurs)
DT 572
WDH SDD 1200P 130P
SDD LAD 200P 300P 737 (thurs)
DT 573 LAD WDH 800A 1130A 737 (tues)
DT 574 WDH LAD 1230P 200P 737 (tues)
DT 577 LAD JNB-1000A 220P 747-300 (mon/wed/fri)
DT 578 JNB LAD- 400P 620P 747-300 (mon/wed/fri)
DT 587 LAD HRE 800A1200N 737 (fri)
DT 588 HRE LAD 100P 300P 737 (fri)
DT 620 LAD CDG-1015P 615A#1 747-300 (Wed.)
DT 621 CDG LAD-1115P 715A#1 747-300 (Tues)
DT 650 LAD LIS-1100P 510A#1 747-300 (mon.)
DT 651 LIS LAD- 945P 615A#1 747-300 (thurs.)
DT 658 LAD LIS-1100P 510A#1 747-300 (fri.)
DT 659 LIS LAD-1045A 715P 747-300 (sat.)
DT 741 LAD GIG- 930A 230P 747-300 (sun.)
DT 742 GIG LAD-1015A 830P 747-300 (mon.)

Domestically, TAAG flies:
Luanda-Cabinda (CAB) - 6 times a week
Luanda-Huambo (NOV) - 1 time a week
Luanda-Lubango (SDD) - 3 times a week
Luanda-Lubango (SDD)-Catumbela(CBT) -2 times a week
Luanda-Ongiva (VPE)-Catumbela (CBT)-once a week
Luanda-Ongiva (VPE) - once a week
Luanda-Catumbela(CBT)-Ongiva(VPE)-once a week
Luanda-Catumbela (CBT) - 2 times a week
Luanda-Monongue (SPP)-Namibe (MSZ) - once a week
Luanda-Namibe (MSZ)-Monongue (SPP) -once a week
Luanda-Namibe (MSZ) - once a week



User currently offlineBoeingrulz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 466 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2256 times:
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Having been born in Angola in 1962 and having grown up there, I have quite a bit of interest in this subject!

We used to fly out of Sà da Bandeira when going to South Africa (so we could catch a SAA 727 there and go non-stop to Cape Town). Does anyone know what Sà da Bandeira is now called?

My dad remembers flying DC3's all the time out of Nova Lisboa (Huambo) and fondly remembers the beloved Dakota. My mother remembers the Dakota in a whole different light, like the light coming through gaps in the fuselage (which are probably a result of her active immagination). My best earliest aviation memories are flying in the F-27's, the Friendships out of Nova Lisboa.

I remember both the DTA and TAAG names/livaries, but I have this odd memory of a green/teal color with the Palanca Preta for TAAG instead of the red/orange color. I have never been able to find out if this was just a memory error or if this color scheme actually existed. We left Angola in 1975 and have never been back so I have no experience with TAAG after that.

Com muitas saudades,
Carolyn


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6207 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

How are their loads to Rio De Janeiro? Im wondering their reasons for flying to Brasil. If someone can tell me some more info on why they fly to Brasil I would greatly appreciate it.
Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineBoeingrulz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 466 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2240 times:
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I would guess that the reason to fly Angola to Brazil is that these are both former Portuguese colonies. There are many extended families that have various members living in these two contries. Many Portuguese people living in Angola before the Civil war, immigrated to Brazil and still have connections with Angola.

Carolyn


User currently offlineSr3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

So according to the timetable AirafriqueDKR TAAG does no more fly to São Tomé!?!?

When I was in TMS back in 1999, the town office of TAAG looked like a bomb had hit it! And nobody was able to tell me if TAAG still serves São Tomé or not. The people at the airport just told me "TAAG comes about every two weeks...approximately...but sometimes they don't come for a month or so..."


User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Hey Carolyn
You're right about the green and black livery on TAAG. The palanca was stylised slightly different with the letters TAAG in Green and their was a green cheatline. In my 1974 timetable there is a picture of a TAAG 727 which the company had just ordered. The last DTA livery was a red cheatline with the letters DTA in red on the tail. As for Sá da Bandeira, it is now called Lubango.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2223 times:


Hi!

Angola is a great aviation subject specially for us portuguese, I personally like a lot to discuss this subject because I also had family that emigrated there in the 50's and latter I wanted to follow a little how Angola evoluted in air transportation. We can't never forget that before the revolution of 25th. April 1974 Angola was not really in the top of the wave, I would say that Mozambique and DETA was better equiped that DTA, they had 737's already even before TAP had them much latter, but after the independence DTA » TAAG evoluted much faster than DETA » LAM, they imediately started their own operations with their own airplanes, with a good help of TAP, that's why they had the 707's ready soon after, LAM in the other way got help from Alitalia and they leased a DC-8-62, I still don't think italians had a lot in common with mozambique fellows but....., latter TAAG evoluted to the the L1011-500 and the 747, always airliners that had a past in TAP, I'm sure soon TAAG will need to upgrade their fleet, so the posibility of having Airbus is closer than we can imagine, don't forget the good relations Angola have with Portugal and France, I would love to see Airbuses with TAAG great livery!!! In the other way LAM evoluted latter to British Midland and leased a 707 ( G-BFLD and G-BFLE ), after that they leased again a DC-10 from UTA ( it came straight from Air NZ ) and latter a 767. If Angola could have peace now I'm sure TAAG would be one of the strongest airlines in Africa, they have all the background TAP gave them and with a little bit of sense they'll reach that position!
regards


User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

I think that DETA was far better developed before independence for several reasons. Mozambique had much more tourism than Angola, every year hundreds of thousands of South Africans and Rhodesians would flock to Mozambique's coastlline. DETA was able to fly their 737s to Johannesburg, Durban and Salisbury to Lourenço Marques and from Beira to Salisbury. The 737s were also used on internal flights. Mozambique also had 3 big cities unlike Angola. Angola's second largest city after Luanda, Nova Lisboa only had just over 60,000 people in 1970. So I suppose that the F27 was more than sufficient to connect the cities and towns of Angola.

User currently offlineBoeingrulz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 466 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2201 times:
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I can't tell you how much I wondered about the green colors and the stlyized palanca on the early TAAG airplanes! I am ashamed to admit that not knowing has bothered me for years. But such is our passion for airplanes. We have several picutures of family at Nova Lisboa (Huambo) and Sa da bandeira (Lubango) airports, but none of them seem to have airplanes from that era in them.

Though I don't well understand the whole history of transportation in Angola, the Portuguese Gov't was making investments in infrastructure. The Benguela Railway is legendary, and an extremely important transportation link, historically. They were building a paved highway from Nova Lisboa through Lepi, Longonjo and on to Caala, Ganda, etc., when the revolution came and shut it all down. It seems they were making similar investments in Aviation before everything fell appart.

TAAG does deserve to be a great airline, just as much as Angola deserves to leave war, mines, hunger and political instability behind. I pray that it will be so, the sooner the better.

Carolyn


User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Sr3496:

TAAG offically does not officially fly to Sao Tome anymore. Maybe unofficially it does?

TAAG also codeshares on AF's Paris-Luanda flights, but AF does not codeshare on TAAG's flights.


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Perhaps we should all arrange a reunion? My house in Luanda, the drinks will flow freely! We could even have a BBQ on the beach, it's literally only a few minutes away! Big grin

Regards

P.S. Fascinating to hear (read) the stories!

As I mentioned earlier, I will be using SAA first via JNB (with the 743), and then AF back to Europe, direct from LAD with the 777.



User currently offlineBoeingrulz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 466 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
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I have many font memories of chicken splashed with lemon juice and olive oil; rubbed with garlic and spiced with piri-piri; thrown on a real charcoal fire to roast. No doubt the best BBQ anywhere!

Maybe that's what they should serve in first class on TAAG international flights?

Thanks for the offer Capt.Picard, someday I may take you up on it.

Carolyn



User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

I know this is a bit off topic but it has to do with TAP's flight to Luanda. In 1963 TAP along with SAA were banned from flying over OAU member states so they both began flying around the west coast of Africa. I noticed in the beginning of 1963 TAP was flying to LIS-LAD with a stop in Kano, Nigeria, by the end of the year they were flying LIS-SID-TMS-LAD and LIS-BXO-TMS-LAD, these flights were all with L-1049Gs. However, in 1965 TAP got their first 707 and began non-stop flights to Luanda (in 1963 they had begun flying to Luanda with a leased 707). Does anyone have any old TAP timetables that give the flying time by 707 or 747 from Lisbon to Luanda? I know today it's about 7 and a half hours, but I'm assuming both TAP and TAAG fly over the continent not around it.

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Can't answer your question for sure, but I know that on our particular flight to LAD last year (A340), we flew over Africa until about Cameroon, then straight over "Port Gentil", and abeam the coast until Luanda came up on our left.

Also, BA flights to South Africa (Cape Town, specifically) seem to also avoid flying over Central-Southern Africa (again, we fly abeam the coast).

No idea whether this has to with seasonal winds.... Confused

Regards


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