MrAirbus From Belgium, joined Jun 2000, 59 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
I used to work for Sabena, but now I'm working vor one of the Belgian Banks who will invest in the new Sabena/DAT (maybe Vrigin Express merger). And no, I didn't start last week with the bank, but more than a year ago.
Last Friday all the employees from the bank got informed way to bank is going to invest in the new airline. The bank thinks it will work, that there is room for the new carrier.
So, were do you get your information from and more important, can you can confirm your information and is your informant reliable?
Sterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2359 times:
The most amazing point with Ceilidh is ; "You know nothing about aviation, you're all "shits" especially if you're belgian, belgian is the most crazy people on earth, and also the most perverse, they're unable to run an airline, they're corrupted, and so on, and so on..."
Therefore, He's the best, he knows everything, he have run any airlines in the world, he have a major fleet of 747 flying for him around the world... and so on, and so on... how amazing and funny it is, no?
The only thing I can't understand is why his kind of "superb and intelligent " CEO spend so much time on this forum?
If he had as much work and as much info as he, he's really superman, by having enough time to spend on this forum why few people like us, who are waiting for him...!
I'm maybe younger than him (that's sure), but I'll never have any respect for such fool, who puts so much craps on this forum.
To the others, thanks for all the info.
Benjamin (I'm Belgian, Ceilidh, and really proud of it!)
P.S: You know, it isn't necessary to put lots of smileys on your topics, Ceilidh. It won't make us think to you're smarter...!
Sab12 From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2345 times:
I guess you would like to see all airlines fail, so you can start your own 1011 airline!!
Get alive and stop spreading rumors against Belgian airliners, we know by now you don't like Belgian people.
Ceilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2376 times:
Ummmm, Benjamin - where exactly have I ever said anything like: "You know nothing about aviation, you're all "shits" especially if you're belgian, belgian is the most crazy people on earth, and also the most perverse, they're unable to run an airline, they're corrupted, and so on, and so on..."
The answer is - never. However, if you feel that your statement accurately reflects the state of Belgium , then ...
I have a thing about BeCA and the Belgian unions, that's for sure - but then so do many, many other people.
All that I have done here is pass on something that I have heard and seen elsewhere - in good faith. If it doesn't happen - then great. That's why I put the question mark in the title of this thread. If it does - well, you read it here first.
You have to admit that so far, I've been right with my forecasts about SN more times than I have been wrong!
And as for my other comments to Lumumba re the Belgian royals - that's all in the public domain, so why are you guys (apparently) trying to cover it up?
Oh, and I like the smileys. They brighten the threads up.
Aussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2236 times:
I think a lot of people have more against Ceilidh than he does against Belgians.
What he said is right - he posted a rumour he heard. I think half the posts here are either entirely rumours or speculating on the future. Just because Ceilidh's rumour sounds unpleasant doesn't mean you have to give him a hard time about it.
There has been much speculation on the truth of Ceilidh's past work in the aviation industry. I think none of us are in the position to comment without proof. However all I can say is, though I may strongly disagree with his views at times, I wish I had the general knowledge and interest in the aviation industry that he does. And I wish I could say I would be as non-plussed about all the slack that he gets as he seems to be. I would have given up on this forum in disgust by now.
Keep it up Ceilidh. It is good to have two points of view on issues - whether it be playing devil's advocate or simply stating the truth.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2202 times:
I've read nothing in Ceilidh's posts about hatred toward Belgians. He has doubted, criticized and questioned certain Belgian institutions and organizations which is fair. This hardly means he hates Belgians. Stop taking his comments personally and instead argue his points. Personal attacks on him detract from the your own arguments.
Lj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4326 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2170 times:
As usual some forum members feel attacked if someone is putting something on this board which isn't exactly pro-Belgian.
But does anybody has any insight in the real load factors + yields on the DAT flights? Apperantly not. Personanally I've some doubts about how DAT is doing. This is supported by some reports on PPRuNe. However, I may be wrong.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54 Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2132 times:
I have no idea whether Ceilidh is correct or not with what he's posted. I do know that whenever he puts something on here, then he just receives abuse from several members, along the lines of "you're stupid, you don't know what you're talking about". Well, I do have a fair knowledge of the aviation industry having worked as an airline manager for several years. Whilst I disagree with some of what he says there is an awful lot more I agree with, and I find it intensely irritating when people simply slag him off rather than putting forward a cogent argument as to why he might be wrong - and I notice that he rarely retaliates which is to his credit.
Unfortunately some people react because they don't wish it to be true, rather than anything else.
As for constantly having a go at Caledonian Wings, I have read the various articles on him. I don't know whether they are true or not - I keep an open mind, which is more than can be said for some - but since more than 90% of startups fail anyway, it is no disgrace that he hasn't achieved a viable operation, regardless of what I think of the likelihood of success. It is also irrelevant to the subject matter of his post.
So, please state WHY you disagree with him. Freedom of speech allows those who have varying degrees of knowledge of the commercial realities of air travel to pass comment, which is a bonus of forums like this, but it does not allow you to fling bile at any person you disagree with. It simply reinforces what someone like Ceilidh says. To a neutral if appears that you just don't want to know the truth, which is I suspect the last impression you wish to create.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 33 Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
WOW! At the end, this thread has 23 replies, but mostly ending in discussions about the right of free speech.
Could we get back to the topic?
Now, we have this rumour, which is NOT from Celidh, but came up in another discussion forum (PPrune).
We have th statement of Mr Airbus: "Last Friday all the employees from the bank got informed way to bank is going to invest in the new airline. The bank thinks it will work, that there is room for the new carrier."
OK, this banks believes in the success of DAT.
Then, we have a fair question of Laurens: "does anybody has any insight in the real load factors + yields on the DAT flights?"
Do we have any CONSTRUCTIVE opinions or facts, proving that DAT is either going positive or going towards a near end?
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25 Aussie_: I am hardly in the know being here in Australia but from my regular readings of several forums plus my interest in Belgian aviation (I am half belgian
26 Tca256: Banco, Nobody harassed Ceilidh for his point of views but for his insulting posts, there's a difference between the free of speech and the spreading o
27 Tca256: Aussie, I heard also about that flight with only one passenger, that's a tragedy if this case happens to be true...That means there's a hug lack of co