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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2433 times:

Greetings folks...
Just trying to think of all the carriers, past & present, that operated both the DC-10 & L-1011. Here's what I came up with...
Pan Am
Eastern
Delta
British Airways
United
American Trans Air
Are there any others? All replys are appreciated. Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
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User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2276 times:

Air Canada (L10); Canadian Pacific/Canadian Airlines (DC10); Royal Airlines (L10); Air Transat (L10); BWIA (L10).......

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2247 times:

Errr...I don't recall any of those airlines operating both the DC-10 & L1011. I know Air Canada never had any DC-10, and Canadian didn't have any Tristars. Or did they? Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2235 times:
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Add Iberia and Air France to your list.

User currently offlineCharliecossie From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 479 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2221 times:

Um, the post is about airlines that operated *both* the DC10 *and* the Trimotor.

FlagshipAZ:
Did UA have Tristars?


User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2220 times:

You forgot Delta


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Aloha 737-200!!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2213 times:

Delta DC-10


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Aloha 737-200!!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2205 times:
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Charliecossie,

Don't know if you were challenging me, but if so:

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And to answer the UAL query:


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User currently offlineAY-MD11 From Finland, joined Feb 2001, 472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

theres so many of em..! Finnair,SAS,Northwest,Ghana Airways,JAL,KLM,AliItalia,Varig,Continental....Im not the mood for em all.



regards,
AY-MD11


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

The idea is to list all the airlines that operated BOTH the DC-10 & the L-1011. The carriers you mentioned either operated one or the other, but not both. Regards.


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Thanks, Lindy! I've never would have known that Iberia & Air France had both types.  Wink/being sarcastic Best regards.


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User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

I dunno if you guys know, but TWA did operate 1 DC-10 for the month of December in 1983 for about 3 weeks, and it did wear full TWA Colors, so I guess we could count TWA as one. Can someone find a photo of that TWA DC-10 please and post it on here.




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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Holy smokes! Did TWA really have a DC-10 in their fleet & colors??? This I have to see.  Wink/being sarcastic Please, if anyone has a photo of TWA's DC-10, please post it. Much obliged to you, Critter, for bringing this bit of rare info to light. Best regards.


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User currently offlineCaptain.MD-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

I've never seen an AF L10-11 or DC-10 b4! You learn something new every day!
Add another to your list

Caledonian



Twins,twins, everywhere.... but where are the three holers?
User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2152 times:
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FlagshipAZ--You've answered several of my aviation queries in the past. I'm glad I could fill in a gap in your aviation knowledge.

Best,

L. Field


User currently offlineCharliecossie From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 479 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

FlagshipAZ:
No challenge!
One or two were posting airlines that had operated one of them - not both.

Re UA:
Simply a question.


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Hey, I remembered another...

Arrow Air


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Andy


User currently offlineSwissair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Hawiian i believe used both... maybe not at the same time but im quite sure thay have used both, and the DC-10s are being replaced by 767s....

User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Caledonian (the charter operator)


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Andy


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

LAM

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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Kuwait Airways also operated both TriStars and DC-10s on lease from British Airways (both with Kuwait Airways titles) since the Gulf War, and Saudia has operated a leased DC-10 (in their old colours) as well as a bunch of their own TriStars. No evidence of these on A.N, but both DC-10s are pictured in the "Great Airliners" book on the DC-10.

Thats about for me  Wink/being sarcastic

Andy


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2093 times:
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Nice work, Andy! Have you started uploading photos to the database again? I'm looking forward to seeing more of your work.

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Thanks to one & all for your help.  Wink/being sarcastic Here's the list of all known operaters of both the DC-10 & the L-1011...so far.
Air France
American Trans Air
Arrow Air
British Airways
Caledonian
Delta
Eastern
Hawaiian
Iberia
Kuwait Airways
LAM
Pan American
Saudia Arabian
TWA (need photo of their DC-10, please)
United
That's 15 known carriers. Any more out there? Regards.



"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6332 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

TWA never operated a DC-10. Air France, Iberia and Kuwait DC-10s were wet leases. As for Saudia operating DC-10s, they would also have been wet leased. As for LAM, I'm not sure.

Makes 9 that operated both with their own crews on a regular basis.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6332 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Just to satisfy myself I looked through the OAGs from December 1983. No TWA DC-10 listed anywhere. I did, however, discover that TWA operated a Tristar to Tucson. Never knew that one.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
25 Lindy field : Someone posted a photo of a leased DC-10 flying for Saudia on the Photo Requests forum. Have a look for yourselves. No sign of the TWA DC-10. Perhaps
26 United Airline : Cathay Pacific operated the L 1011 as well........ So did Dragonair......
27 Milesrich : Delta, Eastern, Pan Am, British Airways, and United operated the two aircraft at the same time. Delta is the only carrier that ordered both new from t
28 Aviasian : Please add Garuda . . . it operated its own fleet of DC-10-30s but did also briefly operate an L-1011-500 in a hybrid Royal Jordanian livery. KC Sim B
29 SBE727 : has everyone forgot about Air Atlanta Icelandic....they use to operate quite a few tristars although i think most have now been phased out and replace
30 Airbus Lover : MAS DC-10 Angel Air L1011 (leased from Kampuchea AIrlines) Kampuchea Airlines Air Siam DC-10
31 Bobnwa : It is amazing how many did not read the qualifier "both" when responding to this message!!!!!
32 AndyEastMids : IMissPiedmont, You're right on the wet leases - the LAM would probably have been a wet lease too, as it was an Air Portugal a/c. The Saudia was leased
33 Mandala499 : Agree with KC Sim, Add Garuda to the list. In the 80s and early 90s they leased some Tristars from US during Hajj periods. It was funny sitting in DPS
34 Post contains images Crosswind : I'd have to discount wet leases, even if they operated in an airline's full livery...those aircraft are never part of the lessees fleet operationally.
35 Post contains images Mandala499 : What you mentioned was a recent policy by Garuda. Before, they used the wet leased planes for the regular service, and use their own planes for Hajj.
36 Post contains links and images Daks : Add Aer Lingus , that is if you want to count MD-11's although both were lease in's and were not operated at the same time Click for large versionPhot
37 AndyEastMids : I think the point with the DC-10/L1011 thing was that the two designs were direct competitors, and that's what makes airlines operating both unusual.
38 Daks : did anyone mention American Trans Air ?
39 Post contains links and images Fanofjets : One more for ya... AEROPERU: Click for large versionPhoto © Omar Zekria Click for large versionPhoto © Don Boyd I believe FAUCETT could be a
40 BCal DC10 : AndyEastMids. sure its unusual if both were purchased/leased and operated at the same time. I understand your point there. But some of them weren't. B
41 JetBlue320 : Yes, TWA did indeed operate one DC-10 in sub for L-1011s.. They leased it from Eastern I believe, but it didn't fly in TWA colors for very long, my co
42 IMissPiedmont : If the purported TWA DC-10 was, in fact, leased from EA it was not a -10. Methinks your cousin is blowing smoke up your a**. This unique of an aircraf
43 Post contains images FlagshipAZ : Greetings again, folks... After a few hours researching A.net's photo database, I've narrowed the list of both DC-10s & L-1011s users. Some clarificat
44 Post contains links and images Crosswind : Does this mean British Airways can be listed as a B727 operator? Click for large versionPhoto © Eddy Cuperus And as an operator of the Islander?
45 AWspicious : Yeah.... guess I f... fudged that one. Sorry folks.
46 JetBlue320 : My cousin does smoke, but he would never blow it up people's asses. He knows alot about aviation, (He has flown at least 4 times a month every year si
47 Lahaina : Hawaiian operated both DC-10 and L1011. They started with L1011s, then later sold them and leased the DC10s from AA. For a short time, they had both p
48 TWA717_200 : Sure would like to see that TWA DC-10....
49 Papatango : delta not only operated L1011's and Dc10's at the same time but also operated B747's in this same time period
50 Post contains images Xtristarx : L1011's ? i rememeber also this ones: BLUE SCANDINAVIA RICH INTERNATIONAL LTU NOVAIR INTER CHILE PEACH AIR NORDIC EUROPEAN TRADEWINDS SAUDIA MILLON AI
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