Qatar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 949 times:
I wanted to know more information about the regional jets that are operated today or the ones that will be introduced in the coming years. The reason i posted this was because the manufacturers websites don't offer lots of info.
- What is the most economical aircraft the ERJ170/190 or the FD 728/928?
- Is it true that the FD 928 has performance issues?
- Do you think Bombardier will lose the competition with it's CRJ700/900 against ERJ or the FD jets?
- If you had an airline which would you choose and why?
PSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 903 times:
Hey good call, I'll add some more to this a little later, I got some work to do now, but I'll like some info on any of the new RJ's that are out there, will be out there soon and are being developed. If you could prove info on size, pax capacity, and year they will enter service.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4141 posts, RR: 38 Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 893 times:
1) Difficult to say. The ERJ-170 has just entered flight testing, all others are still either in development or the prototypes have not yet been completed. My suggestion is that the 728Jet´s over all economics will be slightly better.
2) The 928Jet has been somewhat redesing to become a "true 100-seater". Performance is expected to be better than that of a simple strech which was proposed first. Especially the "Super Sharks" will improve the performance.
3) Yes. Don´t forget that the CRJ was derived fro mthe Challenger business jet and was already then a strech. now streched even further brings some problems, especially the hull diameter is very narrow, poblems appear whentrying to fit a business class and ground handling is a bit difficult.
4) My preference would be the 728/928Jet. The reason: the flexibility is higher. The 528Jet is on the drawing board and I expect the go-ahead for this plane next year. A 120-seater based on the 928Jet (dubbed X28Jet or 1128Jet) is possible, too. That means I can cover the complete 50-120 seat segment with just one aircraft family.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4141 posts, RR: 38 Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 866 times:
I have to agree with that. I took a seat in the 728Jet´s moke-up in Paris this year and it was really good. Unfortunately Embraer´s chalet was closed so I couldn´t compare.
Boeing lists its 100-seater between 35.0-39.5 million US-$. The baby 737NG lists between 40.5-49.0million US-$. Thus the 928JET is slightly cheaper. The ERJs are the cheapest ones because of thelower labour costs compared to Germany and the United States.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4141 posts, RR: 38 Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 860 times:
1) Depending on the carrier. ACA is more likely to go FRJ, COEx more ERJ.
2) Performance advantage:
- business class can be installed.
- larger cabin diameter
- maximum range is larger (ERJ170/ERJ195/728/928)
2,100 vs 1,800 vs 2,140 vs 2,200
- maximum cruise speed is higher
0.8 Mach vs 0.8 vs 0.81 vs 0.81
- take-off field length:
1,676 m vs 1,920 vs 1,527 vs 1,895 (ER)
This does not mean that the ERJs are bad - they are very good - but from the figures I have the 728/928 beat them in most fields.
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 845 times:
The Avro RJX series is a bit of a niche thing anyway. Who wants a four-engined regional jet, unless he needs STOL and London City capacity?
My own question is: Why do the new regional jets have the engines under the wing, and not at the tail? What is the gain of that? is it really already noticeable in their small market segment? (I am thinking of the Fokker 70 and 100, or the tupolev 334 and B717 as comparison)
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4141 posts, RR: 38 Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 786 times:
the manufacturers hope that the mainline carriers will start ordering their new, large RJs like the ERJ-190/195 or 928JET.
UA should be less interested, more likely that they give this segment completely to their regional affiliates. AA has a tradition of operating large RJs (the Fokker F100 counts like that) so it isn´t all too unlikely to see them ordering new ones. DL is a "Could be", again I see them giving this business to Delta Connection. NW: a strong YES. They are very likely to integrate one of these types into their fleet as their are suitable DC-9 replacements. US: yes, here we even know that they currently have a tender up and running.