TR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6772 times:
Obviously the B747s used as (US) Air Force One are quite new and not due to be replaced for many years to come. However in the future a twin engined aircraft like the 777 might be used as Air Force One. The US Air Force already uses B757s for VIP flights so twin engined aircraft are not ruled out due to lack of engines...
ILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6626 times:
It is not a 742. It does not have winglets, but it is a 744. It has a very advanced cockpit. A 777 would not work. In the hump of the 747, holds the computer systems etc., and in a 777, there would be no room for that. It is said that AF1 can "control a war" from the hump of the 747.
Bacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1091 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6611 times:
a 777 could easily be used as air force one. Just get the air force to buy a 777 and any time the pres steps aboard it will be airforce one.
But the chances of the airfoce replacing their 2 747s that are used for the president is highly unlikely. These planes are only a little older then a decade and they have only a few thousand hours on them. They will be around until somehting bigger comes around to replace them (how about an A380!)
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2779 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6555 times:
The two VC-25A's are some of the newest 747-200's Boeing built. They are obviously extremely well maintained (one was recently in Everett for unknown reasons, presumably avionics upgrades) and are unlikely for replacement anytime soon. My guess would be that the replacement program for these birds will be about 15 years from now, with EIS about 5 years after that. By that time, I would bet that the largest version of Boeing's Sonic Cruiser would be the prime candidate for the new 'Air Force One'.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6551 times:
The 2 planes (AF1 plus an identical backup) are 747-200's, specifically, VC25A (B747-2G4B). They were delivered in 1990, but construction started in 1986 or thereabouts, when the 747-200 was still in production. Their long construction times were because of the huge amounts of modifications necessary.
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3890 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6327 times:
I still say you're not going to fly the president over the Pacific on two engines. VIP flights are not the same as presidential flights. The president's safety is always of paramount concern, and even if there's only an infinitessimally small added chance of a crash (the chances of one engine failing on a 747 is higher, but the chances of *all* engines failing is lower), it wouldn't be allowed.
Of course, I'm not in the secret service, so I'm just giving my own personal opinion here. But I've seen enough of how these guys work and what goes into the thinking behind presidential aircraft that I don't believe they'd ever use a twin-engine aircraft unless there was really no other option available.
I'm tired of being a wanna-be league bowler. I wanna be a league bowler!
NZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6308 times:
One of the reasons they went for the 747 (V25A) to replace the 707, apart from the age and prestige factor was that the 707 simply became too cramped.
So I couldn't see them going for anything smaller; but hey,who knows?
Definitely couldn't see them going for the A380 in any case.
What sort of message would that send to US industry?
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6294 times:
You guys are really missing the point, age really means nothing. The cycles on AF1 are so few, as it does not fly nearly as often as regular commercial airliners. Also about the systems in the bubble, I am sure they could find somewhere on the 777 to put all of that.
I still think Blair Force One is way cooler!
NZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6255 times:
Didn't mean AGE as in the aircraft so much!
What I actually meant was, How would it look for the world's most powerful man to turn up at the APEC conference in a crusty old 707 for instance, when the likes of the Chinese Pres shows up in a 747 (although it's not his exclusively) or the Sultan of Brunei in a 767 or A340?
The 747 (VC25A) has a "presence", no doubt about that!
Actually watching a documentary about it while I type.
Gregg From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6247 times:
I really doubt if the MD-11 was considered to be Airforce one. The DC-10 has the 2nd to the worst crash record in modern jet history. The MD-11 was too new to be trusted as airforce one. The MD-11 now has the worst crash record in modern history.
Vafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6226 times:
Why doesn't the president get a 747-400 and a new, better paint scheme because that one is a bit old. A 747 will have a better, more advanced cockpit and more room for all of those computers and it would be newer and more reliable and economic.
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
Vegas456 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6216 times:
A 777 would do nicely as Air Force One but I don't think that the 747's need to be replaced yet. As far as an A380 becoming Air Force One, that shouldn't happen because American presidents should fly on American Made Jetliners.
: Hamlet; I actually saw the VC-25A at Everett.... I thought it was some kind of movie 747-200 painted in the VIP Colors...... intersting information...
: Who said change the colours? Give that man a bullet! Seriously, if they go messing with that colour scheme, I will personally ring up the White House
: I think of the VC-25A's as almost 747-400's. We may see in a mid-life upgrade installation of new versions of the CF6-80 engine and possible installat
: So let me get this straight...the President should exchange a billion dollar, barely 10 year old, rarely flown, instantly recognized 747, 4 engined, m
: NEVER! ! ! ! ! ! ! I'd rather see an IL-62 Air Force One than a 777 Air Force one! I hope that will never happen! 747s and four engine jets forever!!!
: as one of the better short-field planes around, given its size, I sure would vote for it. But I'm a bit biased: I live near Manchester (NH) Airport an
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: Lots of parts of the A380 is to be built in US and that helps lots of US companies.
: I think AF1 is a 742 with 744 engine & heavy cockpit modifications (744 displays maybe?). What I want to know is, if you have AF1, what's the need for
: The E4B (The Doomsday Plane) is always within a certain time away from the president when he is travelling - I forget how far it is allowed to be, may
: When USAF was looking for the VC137 (B707 AF1) replacement, some of the criteria were 4 engines and 3 cockpit crew. Boeing did offer the B747-400, the
: I believe that Spacecadet has the real reason why a 777 or other twin would not see service as Air Force 1. Reliability, redundancy, and tradition (ha
: I thought the 747 Air Force One was lost in that movie? With Harrison Ford? Or was that a fake?
: This may be slightly off topic here, but I would like to point out that the notion of one specific aircraft being permanently designated as "Air Force
: Likesplanes - I think that could be the National Geographic doco I was referring to before. I second that, it is very good.
: Hi Likesplanes, I've watched that same National Geographic documentary 4 times in the last 3 days. When Bill Clinton was here in New Zealand (1999 I t
: - The VC-25 does not carry missiles - It cannot be "used as AWACS"! - There is no such a/c as the "C-35" - The USAF's VIP 752ER's should be called C-3
: LY - whoever said anything about missiles. Coming to think of it, the E-4s and VC-25s should be able to carry some form of self defense missile, such
: Guys, I have personally toured both VC-25A's. They both have 747-200 Flight Decks, They are 747-200s all the way. The only thing that would even come
: I think it would look cool. I wouldn't mind seeing that thing fly around the World! Anyway, maybe someday it will be a presidential plane. I have no i
: Gregg Why do you say the MD-11 has the worst crash record in modern avaition? I dont recall any MD-11'S going down! I thought at the time do to the nu
: For those people who would like to imagine.... anyone want to try a 77AF1 Drawing?
: Minor clarification- ANY aircraft that the President is in is NOT automaticly "Air Force One" Only an Air Force plane. If he is in, say, a C-3 Greyhou
: Fighting Illini is right! I was just going to say that. Anyway, I think the 747 VC-25A and B has a phenomenol livery scheme. Probably the best looking
: A 777 as AF1? No way unless the US is falling into serious recession by 2015. Why should the president travel in a secondrate aircraft like the 777 wh
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: NFW (I am sure you guys know what I mean) for the A 380! The B 747 is the Queen of the Skies. Why on earth should they get the B 777 to replace their
: Ya know, It really pisses me off, I sit there and tell people that it has ANALOG COCKPITS on the VC-25s and people ask IS IT GLASS COCKPIT.... READ PE
: Thumper, Yes the Concord has a worse safety record, but with only one crash, the record is not statistically signifigant. The MD-11 has 5.74 crashes (
: To Illini_152; Thanks for the clarification; yes I do recall in the National Geographic Special hearing the narrator refer to a helicopter that the Pr
: I saw Air Force One as a DC-9 land at Trenton Airport. I didn't even know they had a DC-9 until it was in the paper and then I saw it. Nick
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: The 747's will be around for quite some time, just look at how long the 707's served. I think a few of them are stilll in the skies 30-40 years later!
: the 742 doesnt have wingletts the 400 does. I dont think they will go to the 777. with all the that goes on when the president travels the 74 is perfe
: I do not think that the US Air Force would use a two engine aeroplane for the Air Force One. Remember that the Airforce One is design to stay in the a