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777 As Air Force One?  
User currently offlineAirbus A380 From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6395 times:

Maybe this has been asked before, but I'm just wondering if the 777 will one day be made Air Force One? What is the possibility of it becoming one?

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Airbus A380

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User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

Obviously the B747s used as (US) Air Force One are quite new and not due to be replaced for many years to come. However in the future a twin engined aircraft like the 777 might be used as Air Force One. The US Air Force already uses B757s for VIP flights so twin engined aircraft are not ruled out due to lack of engines...

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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

How can they be quite new! As far as I know, it's 747-200, so they can't possibly be new (maybe completely overhauled and probably well maintained but new??


I know it's only VfB but I like it!
User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

It is not a 742. It does not have winglets, but it is a 744. It has a very advanced cockpit. A 777 would not work. In the hump of the 747, holds the computer systems etc., and in a 777, there would be no room for that. It is said that AF1 can "control a war" from the hump of the 747.

User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

a 777 could easily be used as air force one. Just get the air force to buy a 777 and any time the pres steps aboard it will be airforce one.

But the chances of the airfoce replacing their 2 747s that are used for the president is highly unlikely. These planes are only a little older then a decade and they have only a few thousand hours on them. They will be around until somehting bigger comes around to replace them (how about an A380!)


User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

The US government would never buy a plane that would help the economy of another country.

User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

Maybe it will be a SST made by Boeing.

User currently offlineGOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

A thing that points against a 777 AF1 would be that the worlds most powerfull man should fly in the worlds biggest a/c. However, that will be a true with modification when the A380 comes out.

GOT



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

The two VC-25A's are some of the newest 747-200's Boeing built. They are obviously extremely well maintained (one was recently in Everett for unknown reasons, presumably avionics upgrades) and are unlikely for replacement anytime soon. My guess would be that the replacement program for these birds will be about 15 years from now, with EIS about 5 years after that. By that time, I would bet that the largest version of Boeing's Sonic Cruiser would be the prime candidate for the new 'Air Force One'.

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5872 times:

The 2 planes (AF1 plus an identical backup) are 747-200's, specifically, VC25A (B747-2G4B). They were delivered in 1990, but construction started in 1986 or thereabouts, when the 747-200 was still in production. Their long construction times were because of the huge amounts of modifications necessary.

Charles


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5864 times:

Hey ILS,
the two VC25As are 747-200s and they have conventional clockwork flight decks like other 742s. They DO have 744 engines (CF6s) and can act as AWACS if required.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Don't forget that the 707-320C's that the 742's replaced were in service as the primary AF1 aircraft until 1990. So, don't expect the current 742's to be replaced anytime prior to probably 2020 or so.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5807 times:

The 777 doesn't have air refueling capability like the 747-200 versions the USAF has such as the two VC-25s used as Air Force One and the E-4B Airborne Command Posts.

User currently offlineLuckySevens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

TEDSKI,
The 747 was NOT designed with inflight refuel capabilities.
It was added as a modification. Boeing could probably modify the 777 to have the inflight refuel capabilities added.


User currently offlineNotar520AC From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

Is the C-35A able to refuel in midair?


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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3669 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5648 times:

I still say you're not going to fly the president over the Pacific on two engines. VIP flights are not the same as presidential flights. The president's safety is always of paramount concern, and even if there's only an infinitessimally small added chance of a crash (the chances of one engine failing on a 747 is higher, but the chances of *all* engines failing is lower), it wouldn't be allowed.

Of course, I'm not in the secret service, so I'm just giving my own personal opinion here. But I've seen enough of how these guys work and what goes into the thinking behind presidential aircraft that I don't believe they'd ever use a twin-engine aircraft unless there was really no other option available.



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User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

why would they choose a 777 when they could get a 3 engined boeing MD-11?

User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

One of the reasons they went for the 747 (V25A) to replace the 707, apart from the age and prestige factor was that the 707 simply became too cramped.
So I couldn't see them going for anything smaller; but hey,who knows?

Definitely couldn't see them going for the A380 in any case.
What sort of message would that send to US industry?

Mike.


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

You guys are really missing the point, age really means nothing. The cycles on AF1 are so few, as it does not fly nearly as often as regular commercial airliners. Also about the systems in the bubble, I am sure they could find somewhere on the 777 to put all of that.
I still think Blair Force One is way cooler!
Iain


User currently offlineSmfic@iadco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

i think they should use a beechcraft 1900

User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Didn't mean AGE as in the aircraft so much!

What I actually meant was, How would it look for the world's most powerful man to turn up at the APEC conference in a crusty old 707 for instance, when the likes of the Chinese Pres shows up in a 747 (although it's not his exclusively) or the Sultan of Brunei in a 767 or A340?

The 747 (VC25A) has a "presence", no doubt about that!

Actually watching a documentary about it while I type.

Cheers


User currently offlineGregg From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Bacardi182,
I really doubt if the MD-11 was considered to be Airforce one. The DC-10 has the 2nd to the worst crash record in modern jet history. The MD-11 was too new to be trusted as airforce one. The MD-11 now has the worst crash record in modern history.



User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1945 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Hi:

The 777 as Air force One is an excellent idea, specially the new 777-300LR, with special performance of course. In some countries the A340 is the Presidential plane like in Egypt.

Is a great idea., Best regards,

RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Why doesn't the president get a 747-400 and a new, better paint scheme because that one is a bit old. A 747 will have a better, more advanced cockpit and more room for all of those computers and it would be newer and more reliable and economic.


I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineVegas456 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

A 777 would do nicely as Air Force One but I don't think that the 747's need to be replaced yet. As far as an A380 becoming Air Force One, that shouldn't happen because American presidents should fly on American Made Jetliners.

25 Squad55 : Hamlet; I actually saw the VC-25A at Everett.... I thought it was some kind of movie 747-200 painted in the VIP Colors...... intersting information...
26 Post contains images VirginFlyer : Who said change the colours? Give that man a bullet! Seriously, if they go messing with that colour scheme, I will personally ring up the White House
27 RayChuang : I think of the VC-25A's as almost 747-400's. We may see in a mid-life upgrade installation of new versions of the CF6-80 engine and possible installat
28 Afay1 : So let me get this straight...the President should exchange a billion dollar, barely 10 year old, rarely flown, instantly recognized 747, 4 engined, m
29 Post contains links and images Superfly : NEVER! ! ! ! ! ! ! I'd rather see an IL-62 Air Force One than a 777 Air Force one! I hope that will never happen! 747s and four engine jets forever!!!
30 ChrisNH : as one of the better short-field planes around, given its size, I sure would vote for it. But I'm a bit biased: I live near Manchester (NH) Airport an
31 Airbus Lover : Lots of parts of the A380 is to be built in US and that helps lots of US companies.
32 Mandala499 : I think AF1 is a 742 with 744 engine & heavy cockpit modifications (744 displays maybe?). What I want to know is, if you have AF1, what's the need for
33 Cfalk : The E4B (The Doomsday Plane) is always within a certain time away from the president when he is travelling - I forget how far it is allowed to be, may
34 Garuda : When USAF was looking for the VC137 (B707 AF1) replacement, some of the criteria were 4 engines and 3 cockpit crew. Boeing did offer the B747-400, the
35 F86sabre : I believe that Spacecadet has the real reason why a 777 or other twin would not see service as Air Force 1. Reliability, redundancy, and tradition (ha
36 Post contains images Heavymetal : I thought the 747 Air Force One was lost in that movie? With Harrison Ford? Or was that a fake?
37 Likesplanes : This may be slightly off topic here, but I would like to point out that the notion of one specific aircraft being permanently designated as "Air Force
38 VirginFlyer : Likesplanes - I think that could be the National Geographic doco I was referring to before. I second that, it is very good.
39 NZ767 : Hi Likesplanes, I've watched that same National Geographic documentary 4 times in the last 3 days. When Bill Clinton was here in New Zealand (1999 I t
40 LY744 : - The VC-25 does not carry missiles - It cannot be "used as AWACS"! - There is no such a/c as the "C-35" - The USAF's VIP 752ER's should be called C-3
41 VirginFlyer : LY - whoever said anything about missiles. Coming to think of it, the E-4s and VC-25s should be able to carry some form of self defense missile, such
42 JetBlue320 : Guys, I have personally toured both VC-25A's. They both have 747-200 Flight Decks, They are 747-200s all the way. The only thing that would even come
43 CanadairRJ : I think it would look cool. I wouldn't mind seeing that thing fly around the World! Anyway, maybe someday it will be a presidential plane. I have no i
44 Thumper : Gregg Why do you say the MD-11 has the worst crash record in modern avaition? I dont recall any MD-11'S going down! I thought at the time do to the nu
45 RJ777 : For those people who would like to imagine.... anyone want to try a 77AF1 Drawing?
46 Illini_152 : Minor clarification- ANY aircraft that the President is in is NOT automaticly "Air Force One" Only an Air Force plane. If he is in, say, a C-3 Greyhou
47 Twaneedsnohelp : Fighting Illini is right! I was just going to say that. Anyway, I think the 747 VC-25A and B has a phenomenol livery scheme. Probably the best looking
48 Na : A 777 as AF1? No way unless the US is falling into serious recession by 2015. Why should the president travel in a secondrate aircraft like the 777 wh
49 United Airline : NFW (I am sure you guys know what I mean) for the A 380! The B 747 is the Queen of the Skies. Why on earth should they get the B 777 to replace their
50 JetBlue320 : Ya know, It really pisses me off, I sit there and tell people that it has ANALOG COCKPITS on the VC-25s and people ask IS IT GLASS COCKPIT.... READ PE
51 Gregg : Thumper, Yes the Concord has a worse safety record, but with only one crash, the record is not statistically signifigant. The MD-11 has 5.74 crashes (
52 Likesplanes : To Illini_152; Thanks for the clarification; yes I do recall in the National Geographic Special hearing the narrator refer to a helicopter that the Pr
53 Goboeing : I saw Air Force One as a DC-9 land at Trenton Airport. I didn't even know they had a DC-9 until it was in the paper and then I saw it. Nick
54 ATA L1011 : The 747's will be around for quite some time, just look at how long the 707's served. I think a few of them are stilll in the skies 30-40 years later!
55 Oflove13 : the 742 doesnt have wingletts the 400 does. I dont think they will go to the 777. with all the that goes on when the president travels the 74 is perfe
56 Eugdog : I do not think that the US Air Force would use a two engine aeroplane for the Air Force One. Remember that the Airforce One is design to stay in the a
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