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Are There Any 757-200 ER?  
User currently offline456 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 327 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

I had a dispute with a friend of mine, I stated that there were only 752, 752cargo and 753. He said there was a 752ER as well...
At the end he showed me the website of Martinair:
http://www.martinair.nl/prod/web/index.nsf/87bdeb1b30a30222c125677f004e787a/1ba3bd5d5ee98089c1256966004d211b?OpenDocument

But isn't this not the normal 752 specifics? (I am sorry, it is in dutch, but i think english speakers will understand it) This is the PH-AHI, and is the only 757 in the martinair fleet.

Note: The picture below is of a 762!

PS. We are still friends  Big grin

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

Officially there is no 752ER certified as such.

Boeing has discussed a longer range 752 with several airlines but will need a launch customer prior to development. If developed, this would be the 757-200ER. LH and CO have shown interest in the past.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

i might be wrong, but i always thought there was already a 757-200ER.
i think Boeing referred to the longer range 752 as 757-200X. and undoubtedly, if there is still no 752ER, this could be named 752ER.

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Actually you're right Johnnybgoode.

I checked Bill Harms' website and several charter carriers have 752's identified as 757-200ER. AA, UA, and CO also have 752's identified as 757-200ET, which I think are the ones that are transatlantic capable.

Nonetheless, Boeing has discussed an even longer range 752 with LH, CO etc. Perhaps to be called the 752LR if ever launched?

Neil



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBigmikenice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

To my knowledge there are no official 757-200ERs. But the ones certified for transatl flights are ETOPS certified, which is kinda like ERs. ETOPS in case you didn't know stands for Extended Twin Operations

User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1583 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

hi
I was convinced a 757-200ER existed till today...
Air Transat uses sometimes a 757-200(which I thought was ER) on the Montreal-Paris route...isn't this route too long for a normal 757?



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

BA have a few which are listed as -ER's.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7448 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

United has around 12 ER's used to Hawaii.They say ETOPS above the front gear door.They are classified as "ER" in Simon Forty's 'United Airlines' book. I flew N595UA and N597UA LAX-LIH-LAX in March. That was 6 hours.Isn't ETOPS 3 hrs.(3 hours each way)

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User currently offline757man From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

Some of the Britannia Airways fleet has them listed as 757-200ER's - Though only about four. Just out of interest, Airtours International used to fly G-WJAN (a -21K) on charters from the UK to the Dominican Republic via Bangor, Maine. This particular aircraft is not listed as an ER version, but is powered by RB211-535E4's.

This is just a theory of mine, but my guess is this:
A 757-200 is ETOPS certified if it is powered by RR RB211-535E4 engines or the equivalent P&W engines from the PW2000 stable. I have never known a 757 with older RR 535C engines to be ETOPS certified. The 535C and 535E4 are almost totally different engines infact, the E4 is a lot more powerful and is more fuel efficient, which gives the 757 greater range than one powered by the 535C. The E4 can be rated up to 43,000 pounds of thrust, the 535C can only manage up to around 37-39,000 pounds of thrust.

I'm not saying I'm correct, but the above is my own view.

Anyway, I thought Boeing was launching the longer range model as the 757-200ERX? I know they are also seriously looking at making the 757-300 ETOPS capable. Can someone let us know please?


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

What is the range of the P&W 2000 powered 757-200s that are used by the USAF as Air Force Two and for VIP executive transports for the Secretary of State and others?

User currently offlineCharliecossie From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 479 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Berfore the term ETOPS became normal for Extended Twin Ops, the term EROPS was also used by some operators (Extended Range Ops).
Guessing here, the ER designation may come from that.
BA had a few 757s at LGW (in Caledonian colours) that were ETOPS/EROPS certified - PEA, PEB, PEC, PEE and PEF I think. There is certainly no difference in fuel capacity between an ER and a non-ER 757.


User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

There's actually ONE B752 Combi built.

Best Regards


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
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YYZ717 and Bigmikenice are absoultely right.

Officialy Boeing define an Extednded-Range (ER) variant as having extra fuel tanks or increased fuel capacity. Since all B757s have exactly the same fuel capacity, their is no ER variant.

Many fleet listings refer to ETOPS-modified B757-200s as B757-200ERs, which is technically not correct, but is just a method of identifying ETOPS aircraft. Range is unaffected by ETOPS status.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

YES,752Ers may exist. An aviation book i have,abcUnited Airlines,says United has 10 752ers.they are regs N543-552UA.A book of the same seires on DL says they own 4 "757-212ERs". however DL's Boeing customer code is -32.They're regs are N750-753AT. Whats with that?Also,750-752 have former Singapore regs while 753 doesnt have a serial listed or any former regs.DL also suposedly owns N757AT a "757-212".None of my other books aknowlage any 752ERs from existing. If anyone else owns these books Id check out the fleet list.

User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2787 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

L.1011, the aircraft ending with "AT" are from American Trans Air.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

The 4 ex-SIA 752's that DL bought from ATA (ie, the -212's) have the same max gross weight as the other DL 752's. IE, they are standard 752's.

The plot thickens by the way....jpAirline Fleets does not list ANY 752's as being ER's. While Bill Harm's lists do.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

The very first time I heard of B757-200ERs referred to the Royal Brunei machines. These were operated on the flight to London from Banda Seri Begawan.

Perhaps someone with a greater inclination toward technical data could ascertain if that is accurate.

Also the single B757-200Combi was built for and operated by Royal Nepal Airlines.

KC Sim
Bangkok


User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

The SQ-ATA-DL planes were once considered ER's as they did work overseas routes. I'm not sure where SQ flew them but ATA flew them on routes such as JFK-DUB before they were sold to DL. Many items such as the hydraulic motor generator are still installed and have been deactivated by DL. (The HMG is an air driven hydraulic pump that puts out electrical current in an emergency.) They are not installed on domestic 757's.

User currently offline456 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

TNX for the replies! I think indeed that the musunderstanding is in the fact that a 752 with ETOPS is also mentioned as 752ER.

Again thanks a lot.


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

ETOPS in case you didn't know stands for Extended Twin Operations

???

always though ETOPS would stand for
"Engines Turn Or People Swim"???

 Big thumbs up

daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1421 times:


Monarch,Air2000,LTU,Condor,Ethiopian,Canada3000,BA
have 752ER.


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