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What Will Westjet Next Move Be?  
User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1668 posts, RR: 10
Posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

What will Westjets next move be and will we see it before the End of 2001 or will they do more announcements before then.

Also anyone in the Montreal Area now that C3 has dropped out of the sky are there a lot of gates open now also hasnt Air Canada dropped some flights out of their?

Well Westjet have any restriction put on them if Micheal Leblanc Gets his new Airline off the gound?


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User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

YZF,YYZ

User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

It won't be in the west, that I am sure of.

User currently offlineIluvwestjet From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

I believe WestJet had been offered 11 737-700s from the Midway collapse before the C3 shutdown. Maybe they'll reconsider. And it looks like WestJet is now targetting AC Regional destinations (with recent additions being Comox, Sudbury, Thompson, Sault Ste. Marie), so I am thinking they'll continue to expand into those types of destinations.

User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Personally, I would love to see Westjet acquire a couple of B-767-300s, and start a YYZ-YVR service.
I know this goes against Beddoes business plan, and perhaps would lead to excess capacity on that route, but it would be nice to see WJ 767's announcing departures for YVR from YYZ.

Just a dreamin.
Canadi>nBoy
YYZ


User currently offlineIluvwestjet From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

The 737-700 could probably do it as well. It's max. range is 3,752 miles and YVR-YYZ is only 2,080 miles. I am actually pretty sure the 737 can do it since AS uses it for it's Seattle to Washington routes.

It's no 767-300 though...


User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

YYZ would be good, but I don't think that it would be a good finicial move. You see it would be a move in which would cost a lot of money for a long time. Once you came to YYZ you really couldn't leave. With out loosing some customer and creating bad word of mouth.

Smaller airports, like if Pickering (just north of Toronto) gets approved would be a great place for them. It would be like a YHM. small and will take the place of Buttonville!!!

I wish WJ the best of luck,

Grant




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User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

I don't think that if Westjet brought service to Toronto that they would be pulling out any time soon. YYZ would be a great expansion place for them.

User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1668 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2726 times:

YYZ when they eventually go to YYZ it will only be to YYC incase some of you have forgotten YHM is their easter Hub.



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User currently offlinePlaneawesome From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2726 times:

If I was in charge of the Westjet route development strategy I would target London and Windsor next.
I would nibble away at all of the poorly-served, numerous southern Ontario passengers that flood through AC dominated Pearson right now.

Regarding the FLY-YHM question concerning YUL above, yes , there are mucho gates available now. We lost 10 daily flights with the demise of Canada 3000.

We also lost some AC flights, particularly to western Canada and the U.S.

On the other hand, when I flew from YUL last week-end my flights were 80% full.
Anecdotal evidence indicates that most flights out of YUL are now "packed".
Hopefully this will mean the end of the capacity reductions in this market.


User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2720 times:

Well I still say if they served YYZ it would be taking a huge bite of an apple pie! There is no way they could lose going to YYZ

User currently offlinePlaneawesome From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2720 times:

I think AC is incredibly influential with the GTAA braintrust. They will put up tremendous behind the scenes roadblocks to Westjet's arrival at YYZ.
Westjet may pull it off if they want to but it won't be easy.


User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2713 times:

I don't think that Westjet will expand into Toronto until it has a larger portion in Ontairio, and well basically the east. Expansion into Toronto brings new problems since they have established an operations base in Hamilton. Look for London and Windsor, then maybe Quebec City.


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User currently offlineIluvwestjet From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2713 times:

WestJet actually planned to go into YYZ a few months back but for one reason or another, they backed out.

Here's the press release link:
http://www2.cdn-news.com/scripts/ccn-release.pl?/2001/01/22/0122041n.html?cp=wja

As it saids, they only wanted to go YYC-YYZ as point to point only and not use it as a hub. Hamilton is better as a hub anyways, lots of space and little traffic and no AIF.

I think they need to push into YYZ, just as point to point. Toronto is just too big of a market not to tackle. And if they go YYZ-YYC, it's another route that fights with Tango which means it's more likely to go bye-bye.

I think YYC-YYZ and YVR-YYZ would be a great move for WestJet especially with C3 being no more.


User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2707 times:

I heard they backed out becuase they couldn't get a connecting time slot?

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2703 times:

WJ backed out because because 1 of the 2 daily arrival slots in YYZ would have meant a very early departure from YYC which would not allow connecting traffic in YYC to meet that specific YYC-YYZ flight.

This surprized me as I would have thought that the YYZ-YYC market would be overwhelmingly O&D rather than connecting (in both directions).

Neil



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2698 times:

Yyz717 basically described why they decided not to move into YYZ. Though now, don't be too shocked. Slot times were the problem, but now since some have come available and the 737-700's are remaining on delivery schedule, anything can happen.


Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineYWG777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2699 times:

I can see WJ dding a few flights from Possibly Yellowknife to compete with First air on YEG-YZF or flying to YUL would work too.
YWG777


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2691 times:

Ya....Yellowknife & Whitehorse could use some competition with AC. In particular now that C3 wont be competing on the YVR-Whitehorse route in the summer anymore.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2693 times:

Pardon my ignorance but why would YYZ need westjet service? There are already so many flights to nearly every major destnation in Canada from YYZ with more then enough capacity then is really needed. Besides YHM is within driving distance of YYZ being only 37nm away.

User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

YKA the only problem is the service offered from YYZ is Air Canada!
I definetaly think WJ could make full loads here. Even if they came once a day or even every other day. There is a total of 5 or 6 flights a day from YZF-YEG from First Air and Canadian North. Fares are usually between $900-$1300. And they wouldn't even have to refuel becuase it could make a return trip back to YEG and pay Alberta Fuel prices.


User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

YKA - yes we all know about your "special" little situation...lol

The capacity on the YYC-YYZ is one of the highest travelled cross-country flights in Canada. There is a large market there in which Westjet could successfully tap into. Families would choose Westjet mainly because of outragous fares on Air Canada. On the news in Calgary a few weeks back there was a story about fares, it turns out it is cheaper to fly YYC-LHR and just get off during the turn around. YYC-LHR cheaper than YYC-YYZ...



Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Well, YYZ is the largest market in Canada with high-yield business traffic on YYZ-YYC. Anyway, WJ sees an opportunity.....it appears to be timing.

The YHM 'hub' for WJ is being developed as an eastern regional hub. The proposed flights to YYC would serve the YYZ-YYC market with connection options in YYC, according to WJ. WJ indicated that the YYZ flights would serve only as spoke for YYC.

YHM actually serves only the far western suburbs of Toronto, along with Hamilton & Niagara. YHM is actually very inconvenient for most Toronto residents to fly out of. That 37nm is with brutal traffic.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

INUVIK INUVIK INUVIK..

ANd if it is possible that northerly destinations are in the agenda for future WJ expansion in the north where they actually can fly farther than where Grand Pairie is.
Inuvik for seasonal and also Iqualit can use some consideration, but I doubt it..

The 4th 737-700 C-FZWS should be on schedule for delivery pretty soon.
I got word from them some time ago that sometime november.. like day 20+ they should be receiving this 4th NG plane. Chances are I hope so.. But I may also be wrong like the 9-11 may of delayed the delivery..
However if it is being delivered; then expect around sometime this week or next week to see this plane at YYC or YXX..

Oh and for YYZ. ARent they building that monster big terminal to get rid of the centeral one.. (T2 i think?)

Perhaps with that expansion completed, some slots may possibly open up and we may see WJ flying into this big smoggy city sometime in the future..



Expanding my global domination one spotter at a time..
User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Hamilton is Westjet's hub for the long run.

Would it be profitably feasable to conduct a commuter between Toronto and Hamilton?



Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
25 AirCanadaMan : I asked Mr. Beddoe about service to YZF. People all around Yellowknife were asking me about WJ serivce, at one time, the public was trying to demand i
26 VonRichtofen : In my opinion, WJ would do pretty good with a YYC-YYZ route. It seems the only realy competition AC had with that route was from C3. It seems like a p
27 Dash8King : No Aircanadaman but I travel there quite a bit becuase of family especially in the summer Great fishing!
28 YHU : At Montreal Dorval there is now more gate space for Westjet to have access to. PLUS....there are rumour floating round of ALL passenger flights being
29 Post contains images A380 : YYZ *needs* WJ! Maybe WJ can study Pickering as well. Closer to my home WJ can start seasonal service to Yukon and NWT. Meanwhile, Yyz717 is absolutel
30 Dash8King : A380 WJ wouldn't need YZF to be just a seasonal operation becuase it is a large all year route northerners use yeg as a gateway for more southern dest
31 OzarkD9S : I think WestJet should surround YYZ much as Southwest does BOS, serving PVD and MHT. This is the first I've heard of Pickering, if it can be developed
32 Post contains images CP97-1B : Hey all, I think Westjet should expand to routes like YVR-YYZ, but maybe if they were considering a larger type for capacity expansion, to consider pe
33 Fallingeese : I bet Westjet wouldn't expand their aircraft size. If they decided to it would most likely be a 737-800.
34 Jean Leloup : I can't believe we're talking about WJ flying to Pickering!!! Hey, i'd love it because the northern boundary of this "airport" is only 6 km from my ho
35 Fly_yhm : I was wondering about a commuter flying form Toronto to Hamilton to feed Westjet(Westjet Express) maybe with Dash-8 from Toronto Island. there was a s
36 YWG777 : I think WJ should expand more out of YWG. Everyones flying WJ these days from here. I am surprised they arn't adding another YWG-YYC flight. I also th
37 Dash8King : I think Westjet express sounds pretty cool yhm!!! and they could use either Dash 8's or CRJ's eh
38 Watewate : There was a study done by Westjet that showed the Drive time between Downtown Toronto and Hamilton Airport is less that the Drive between downtown tor
39 YWG777 : WJ could get CRJ's for the smaller airports if they are really desprate. I can see them adding windsor Ontario cause I am sure they feel the effect of
40 Jean Leloup : There's no way Westjet would buy a Dash-8 just to shuttle people from YTZ to YHM. A whole new fleet type, training, etc, for that one route? and you'd
41 Post contains images A380 : Oops I thought I confused Oshawa airport with Pickering airport (as in another thread started by me too), is there a terminal built in Oshawa airport?
42 Post contains links Superdawg : An interesting fact as to why Brandon, MB may only have seasonal service from Westjet: Taken from a speech by Mark Hill VP Strategic Planning Westjet
43 Fallingeese : Superdawg - It's hard to believe that there is an issue about the runway size in Brandon, as PWA used to fly there with their 737's. Mind you they als
44 YWG777 : when the runbway is done in YBR it will be 6,000 feet I think. YWG777
45 YKA : Rwy 8/26 at YBR is 6500', that is more then enough for a 737 even on the hottest days. Its another examle of WJ's magengment coming up with stupid exu
46 Dash8King : what about a bus to for YYZ-YHM?
47 Planeawesome : The fact that everbody unanimously wants WJ service indicates to me that there is a serious imabalance in the Canadian airline market. I priced a tick
48 Fallingeese : Westjet's expansion will certainly be getting interesting especially due to Air Canada's planned LCC. FLY WESTJET! and GO STAMPS!
49 Yow : With C3 gone, you would have to think that YUL and YHZ are at the top of WJ's list of new cities. Probably YXU and YQG aren't far behind either, maybe
50 Jean Leloup : A380, there is a brand new terminal building at Oshawa, but I've not yet seen it It can't be very big, but then again it can't be much smaller than Ha
51 Post contains images LY744 : A little off topic, but could someone tell me what is the point of having a big Westjet sign (a nice one too, with a big WJ 737! ) in the middle of Wi
52 Dash8King : Maybe WJ should look into codesharing with Southwest or Jetblue. That would be pretty cool if there was a No-Frill Alliance with like Ryan Airways, We
53 Iluvwestjet : I remember hearing something about WestJet and JetBlue connecting at YYZ. Something about WestJet flying to Toronto and JetBlue going JFK-YYZ. I don't
54 VonRichtofen : I heard a rumour that one of the "higher up" guys at Jetblue had something to do with the start up of Westjet.... Again, it was just hearsay. Kris
55 Fly_yhm : This is True that one of the higher up guys at Jetble started with Westjet it was talked about in a recent issue of airline world magazine.
56 Fallingeese : I've seen huge Westjet banners in Lethbridge too. There is no Westjet service and the closest is the 3 hour drive to Calgary. Yet somehow it is a very
57 Dash8King : It is also posted on the jetblue and westjet site that pres&CEO helped start up westjet. Does anyone know anything about Clive Beddoe's earlier airlin
58 YKA : WJ should by F28s from ACR when they finaly retire them and use them on thinner routes. Definetly more economical then the 737s if the pax numbers are
59 Post contains images Jean Leloup : YKA, I don't think anoyone really wants F28's anymore! If they wanted something smaller they'd prolly go for something more like a high-end (modern) R
60 Dash8King : I don't think the F28's are that economical, Plus they're pretty loud and cramped.
61 Fly_yhm : advertizing in lethbridge would make more sence then advertizing even though they are both 3 hours away from the closest Westjet destination. Thats be
62 Aamd11 : VonRichtofen: You are absolutely right David Neeleman, CEO of JetBlue was instrumental in the start-up of westjet several tears back. He gave them 5%
63 LY744 : Fly_yhm: I've only seen the banner once, but from what I can remember it had very little text, it had "Westjet" in very big letters, and something to
64 Fly_yhm : Maybe they are hinting at something and trying to get a head start because i couldnt see someone from windsor driving to YHM they would either go to D
65 Fallingeese : Morgan Air still operates in Calgary. It's owner and founder still is associated with Westjet as I have met him. He is a key player with both airlines
66 Jean Leloup : I think Windsor residents would probably still save money by driving to YHM and taking Westjet if they wanted to go out West than if they were to conn
67 Jean Leloup : btw, Could someone explain to me what WJ would possibly have to LOSE by coming to YUL? I know we talk about how they should be cautious in their expan
68 Fallingeese : The main reason behind it is that they don't want to expand too fast. Other carriers that have expanded at a rapid rate have found themselves in troub
69 YWG777 : if this airline had any brains they would use another airport ijnstead of YYC. Maybe YWG and YHM maybe but not the samehubs as WJ. that is stupid. Tha
70 Fallingeese : YWG777 - The initial plans were that the carrier was to be based in Vancouver. But recently the eyed Calgary so that they could better "compete" with
71 Fly_yhm : I wonder why they dont go to YUL to especially now that C3 has gone bye bye and AC had reduce flights to YUL from YYZ.
72 Jean Leloup : I agree Fly_yhm... I understand there's a lot to say for growing slowly, but at the moment, I think YUL is a pot of gold just waiting to be taken. The
73 FLYYUL : First and foremost, AC has a monopoly on all domestic routes, including the 1.3million pax per year route, Montreal-Toronto....Nobody flies to Winnipe
74 C-GRYK : What exactly is wrong with AC using YYC as the base for their new low cost airline? Is it because you won't see as much of them as you would if they w
75 Fallingeese : I bet expansion is to be done in pairs. Something like Quebec City and Montreal, or Windsor and London.
76 YWG777 : First off YWG is getting 2 more WJ flights To Thompson and Sault ste. Marie. I do believe that YWG is a becomming a big WJ hub. Jeremy just look at YW
77 Bush : Oh, God. Not the "YWG is a hub" topic again...
78 Ywg_jy : Winnipeg is a hub, fact, not topic. Not a hub for "major airline" traffic. Essential medical services for NW Ont, Manitoba, and Nunavut are provided f
79 Fallingeese : Being under the final approach path on runway 36 for 3 weeks a year. I can agree about the activity in Winnipeg! Fly Westjet!
80 Fallingeese : Something that I just found out that I find very interesting is that Westjet at first didn't want to operate 737's. Their first choice was DC-9's but
81 Jean Leloup : Wow, DC-9's... that would've...sucked. unless of course they moved on to 717's!
82 Dash8King : Yeah DC-9's would have really sucked!! The 737 is much more economical, but I would prefer the 717
83 Fallingeese : That is what I was wondering too. If they had been able to get some DC9's before ValuJet if they would have expanded to 717's at this point in time. B
84 Dash8King : you met Clive eh fallingeese? What was he like? He is one of the people that I would like to meet in my life how did u get the chance
85 Fallingeese : I haven't met Clive, but have have met a few of his associates. Particularly Mr. Morgan. We ran into him on an executive tour of the Westjet facility.
86 WJV04 : When they were looking for aircraft to concider replacing the 732s with, they looked at the A320, and that would have really sucked.
87 Dash8King : A320's??? no way b 737's 100x better!!
88 Jean Leloup : Uhhh... Mr. King.. posts like that may get you deleted from this site, and sicne currently you can't reregister, i'd watch it. (NO A vs. B PLEASE!) bt
89 Dash8King : I didn't mean anything about it man so chill, I got nothing against the A320 only in westjet colors, I don't even like the 737 compared to the rest of
90 Post contains images Superdawg : At one time (prior to start up) Westjet was planning to only have the offices based in Calgary and use Edmonton as the main hub for their planes as th
91 A380 : However, if WJ chose DC9 at first what airliner should they choose to do YYC-YHM for example? DC9 or 717 probably won't have the range.
92 Mcdougald : Concerning to the 'what's a hub' debate raised by Ywg_jy, Bush and YWG777 above, here's StatsCan's definition (as of 1997, the latest info I can get t
93 YWG777 : I argree with Mc Doulgald that YWG is a medium sized hub. I didn't think YYC was a large 1 but I could be wrong. I thought YUL was busier then YYC tha
94 Post contains images BO__einG : YYC a Large Hub?! LOL! Oy ya. maybe when C3 still existed and Royal, perhaps also Canadian.. But now, Its boo hoo boring! Montreal has mroe internatio
95 Fly_yhm : First of all yes YHM might be small now but you must not have been there before because their is nothing around it they could build a pearson around i
96 Post contains images Fallingeese : When Westjet was decided on it's new expansion aircraft. It was debating between A319's and 737-700's not the A320's. They also seriously looked at th
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