Matt From Canada, joined May 1999, 679 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 607 times:
Here's what I read in Friday's Globe and Mail:
From Kenneth Rowe of IMP Aerospace in YHZ
"My partners and I are going ahead with a discount airline of our own - CanJet, out of Hamilton - to provide affordable air travel to ordinary Canadians. We plan to start in the spring with service to Montreal, Ottawa and Halifax - at least four flights a day to each destination.
We will then add Winnipeg (with connections at Hamilton) and after that New York, Chicago, Thunder Bay, Quebec City, St. John's, Moncton, Boston, Atlanta and Florida on weekends."
AC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 587 times:
Hi there! Good topic for discussion. I also read that editorial in the Globe and Mail, and there was also another article either in the Globe or in the National Post that rumoured that CanJet was negotiating to buy brand new Boeing 717's. Originally when it was announced, it was said that they would fly 737's. It would be interesting if they did fly 717's, though.
Now, a little on IMP Group (Mr. Rowe's company). IMP group owns assets including aircraft maintenance business on Canada's east coast, executive jets operations, hotels, and some other things. They are the company that used to own Air Atlantic before their shutdown. (Air Atlantic used to be the Canadian Airlines connector airlines in the Atlantic provinces). Supposedly IMP Group has the people, the financing, and the will to enter the market. However...
I saw somewhere (and I can't say for sure that it's true, but I heard it) that as a result of Air Atlantic's shutdown about 2 years ago, IMP Group would have to hire back laid off personnel from Air Atlantic as well as take their union if IMP was to start another airline before April 2000. Supposedly that is why CanJet will not start until then-to avoid taking on too much bagage from Air Atlantic. I take it that factor kind of irriatates former Air Atlantic employees. It would also have meant that CanJet would have waited until after AC actually bought CP before it would announce itself. AC, it looks like to me, forced CanJet into the open so that they wouldn't have as much of a problem with a competition review.
Any thoughts or comments? I think this is a topic that could use some discussion. Also, where will WestJet expand into in the east? And will WJ operate out of YYC or YWG to Ontario or Quebec? I don't think WJ's current 737's can fly YYC to Hamilton or Ottawa, so will they get longer range aircraft, or will they fly out of YWG?
WG YQT From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 151 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 582 times:
AC183: It is rumored here in YQT that WJ will fly to Hamilton from YQT. Apparently competition to AC and CP Regional. The plans are under way at WJ at the YQT airport to hire more staff. Why would they do that when they only have one flight per day right now (hint, hint!)
AC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 581 times:
YQT would also be a good point to fly from. I think YWG would also make alot of sense, the reason being that YWG is very under-serviced right now. Every time I go home to YYC there are passengers AC and CP are trying to convince to reschedule to a later flight. I know people that couldn't get a single empty seat on YWG-YYZ for several days from their preferred departure. I think that WJ would, if they flew YWG to Hamilton, would have a fairly easy market share for the taking in terms of passengers not serviced right now, never mind creating new traffic. If they timed it right, they could also operate connections to Saskatoon and Edmonton quite easily.
Personally I think WJ should be looking at using both YWG and YQT for their operations eastward. They've said that one aircraft will be assigned to flying into the east, but they're also adding 4 other aircraft to expand western routes. So why not fly two daily flights if they can? Hamilton looks like a good bet to be the city they choose to start with, so a YHM-YWG-YYC-YVR flight as well as a YHM-YQT-YYC-YEG flight could work. That's what I'd like to see, I guess we'll have to wait and find out what WestJet actually does. I do think there is more than enough market for them to add two flights right away.
WG YQT From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 151 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 578 times:
AC183 I agree. I thing YWG definately needs expansion. YWG777 had mentioned a YWG start-up called Great Plains. I have a feeling with the merger in the process many new start-ups are going to appear. I can only hope that YQT has service from at least one Low-Cost carrier going east. Right now CP Regional and AC both charge over $1200.00 for a YFare YQT-YYZ. I hope WJ or CanJet will start service soon to lower the price.
I here that the YQT and YWG airport authorities have been in contact with both WJ and CanJet about possible expansion.
YWG777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 565 times:
Thats right WG YQT both airport authorities are working on WJ for operations to the East. If WJ flies into YHM it would help people living near YHM and the surrounding area. Great plains are supposed to fly 737'S to Canada and the U.S.A. Personally I think that AC does a good job flying into YQT from YWG. Yes I agree with you about YWG needing a major expansion. YQT I think needs the same.
WG YQT From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 151 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 566 times:
I have no complaints with the service, it was much better when AC was using their RJ's (quick and quiet) now they have redeployed them to US Routes. Don't get me wrong, I prefered the RJ service, thats all.
YQT Airport authority is trying very hard to get more service but for now no luck. I think this CanJet thing could open a few doors.
WG YQT From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 151 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 557 times:
The YQT airport is in the process of expanding flights. Royal Air is once again offering Varadero flights direct from Thunder Bay, WJ is still running its YYC service with plans to fly to YHM. AC and CP Regional are running the same schedule. Hopefully CanJet will start in the spring!
As for the airport expanding. There are supposed to being installing another airbridge and it is said a ramp expansion os in the works. Along with that runway 25/07 is due for a repave and expansion next year (1000 feet or so)
I'll keep you posted on any other expansion notes.
AC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 553 times:
I would say that the years of battles between Air Canada and Canadian Airlines left a few markets, namely Toronto, Calgary, and Vancouver very much saturated. Montreal, Halifax, Winnipeg, and Edmonton are major markets that have foregone alot of expansion in the last few years other than the YUL-YYZ and YYC-YEG high frequency routes, but I think that these cities (YUL, YHZ, YEG, YWG) can have some good growth happening now because they haven't expanded flights as much as to YYC, YVR, and YYZ. On a slightly smaller scale, cities like Victoria, Saskatoon, Regina, Thunder Bay, Windsor, and so on have some real potential for new players in their markets as well. There is lots of potential in the market if airlines like WestJet or CanJet grow in all of these cities, and for the larger ones there is plenty of room for AC to expand its international route network. For that matter, AC/CP can probably do a fair bit of domestic realignment that will put some more capacity on routes such as YWG-YYZ where it is needed, while cutting the waste capacity from other routes.
Regarding Great Plains which YWG777 mentioned, I'm not sure what's happening there. A group announced it was working on a WestJet styled airline out of YWG, but with CanJet and WestJet going east, I think the market Great Plains was hoping to serve is being picked up by them. I read a little while ago in the Winnipeg Free Press that Great Plains had been put aside until the regulatory and competitive environment clears up a little, but now I think it is fairly likely that CanJet and WestJet will both be operating the routes Great Plains wanted to, so I doubt at this point that Great Plains will ever get put back into gear again. FYI, one of the people who proposed Great Plains was Mr. Murray Siegler, who is currently heading Winnipeg Airports Authority. Previously Mr. Siegler was an executive at Pacific Western Airlines and later in charge of something at Canadian Airlines.
I also wanted to comment on some of the assumptions that WestJet will fly into Toronto Pearson (YYZ). I am assuming you are referring to Pearson airport and not just the Toronto area by saying YYZ. I would say that it is by no means certain that WJ will use Pearson. Pearson is congested, and expensive. WJ can get faster turnarounds, and lower costs by flying elsewhere. Hamilton appears to be in the running for WJ flying there. WJ could also try to start Windsor or London, Ontario routes, or maybe Ottawa. We should know sometime in January where they choose to fly, but I would say Pearson is less than a 50% chance. It really depends on whether they want to outdo CanJet by flying into Pearson (more convenient than Hamilton), or whether they want to offer lower fares than AC by going to Hamilton, or whether they possibly want to create new markets such as London and Windsor.
One other thing. As long as we're talking about CanJet and WestJet expanding, what about InterCanadian? I heard something about there being an offer to buy them up, and restart them in Quebec. Anyone know anything else?
YWG777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 550 times:
I heard that Great Plains are going to back in gear soon. This comitition is alot of trouble for them right now. I'll keeep you posted on anything I hear. WJ should be flying into the east soon.
Virgin747 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 309 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 550 times:
Its nice to see these airlines popping up and expanding, just remember, Canadian was formed in the late 80's making them ten years or so in age, by standard they did'nt last as long as their predecessors(canadian pacific), or their competitors(air canada), we also have to look at greyhoundair, I like to see these airlines pass the ten year mark.....all i'm saying i hope these
people don't get carried away