Montenegro From Italy, joined May 1999, 545 posts, RR: 1 Posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1289 times:
I am supposed to be a very big fan of the previous Lybian Arab livery specially on the A310 ( I have a postcard of it ) and the Fokker F28. I was waiting a lot to see what kind of image will they adopt for the new planes and I have to say that I was not dissapointed. The revised the old one putting a green color on. I do like it very but if I was they I'd put more green on just for contrast with the gold colors. What do you think?
ScrewAirbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1128 times:
LAA should have a skull and crossbones livery for all the death and destruction caused by bombs during the 1970's and 1980's that their agents were responsible for, most notably the bombing of Pan Am 103 in 1988.
ScrewAirbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1107 times:
Scottish authorities and the US Department of Justice have charged two Libyans with carrying out the attack: Abd al-Basit Al-Megrahi, a senior Libyan intelligence official, and Lamen Fhimah, the former manager of the Libyan Arab Airlines (LAA) office of Malta. The charges are based on clear evidence that Al-Megrahi, Fhimah, and other unidentified coconspirators planned to bomb Pan Am 103 by:
-- Obtaining and attaching an appropriately marked Air Malta tag that circumvented baggage security measures and routed the bag containing the bomb to the Pan Am feeder flight to Heathrow and then to Pan Am 103. -- Setting the timer that activated the device so that the bomb would explode about one hour after Pan Am 103 was scheduled to depart Heathrow Airport in London. -- Using the knowledge and access gained from their official status as representatives of Libyan Arab Airlines (LAA) to facilitate the operation at Valletta's Luqa airport. This would have enabled them to bypass security checks and ensure that the suitcase containing the bomb was inserted into the baggage of an Air Malta flight to Frankfurt.
Al-Megrahi, a senior Libyan intelligence official, acted with the approval of the highest levels of the Libyan Government. It is believed thay Sa'id Rashid--a leading architect and executor of Libya's anti-US and antidissident terrorist policies for the last decade, and a member of the Libyan Government's inner circle--was the senior government official who orchestrated the attack. An operation of this sophistication and magnitude, involving people so close to the Libyan leadership, could have been undertaken only with the approval of senior Libyan officials.
Furthermore, LAA during the 1970's and 1980's was the engine by which terrorist acts were orchestrated throughout the world on various airliners, including a host of attempts on US-bound Pan Am flights. Libyan Intelligence officials who doubled as LAA Agents were directly responsible for this terrorist activity and such agents routinely used their behind the scenes access and authority at major airports throughout Europe (Istanbul, Rome, Paris, etc) to orchestrate the bombing campaign sanctioned ultimately by the Libyan government.
AngelAirways, how you disgrace the memory of those that died in the skies over Lockerbie and other victims of this senseless terrorism. Before any talk of LAA's future, perhaps a thought should be spared for its past.
Just something to think about of course. LAA was directly responsiblie for PA 103--no two ways about it.
Who knows what we will see in the future?
So the skull and crossbones seems a most appropriate choice don't you think?
Monte From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1069 times:
I realize that this is not a place for politics, but still have to say this. Every loss of life is regretable. The Lockerbie terrorists would be rightfully tried and executed, BUT... the Commander of USS Vincennes who intentinally shot down the Iranian airbus (about 200 dead) not only remained unpunished, but received an army medal.
In light of this I would rather not deliberate on which country, or especially airline is terrorist...
Brissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1058 times:
It is because of narrow-minded people like you, that the trial is not occurring on mainland Britain. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Talking of LAA's past, are you aware that in 1973 a LAA 727 was shot down by two Israeli Air Force Phantoms, after becoming lost due to a sandstorm and bad weather. Israel has never apologised to Libya for this incident, and in fact, the army general (??) who ordered the plane to be shot down, was called a national hero by the Israeli goverment. There was a loss of 108 lives on this flight. When the member nations of the ICAO took a vote to condemn Israel over this action, the only country to sanction it (by way of abstination), was the US. Do you condone this action?
Before you go on about how much the evidence against the Libyan's is airtight, do yourself a favour and go down to your local bookshop and get yourself a copy of *Trail of the Octopus*, written by Donald Goddard. I await to see your response when you are told that this book, written by an American, is not available in the US at all. It is available here is Australia, but why not there? Because the author puts forward some theories on what really happened to PA103, and the US Government does not want the US population to have access to this information.
BTW, Barnaby, if by some stroke of luck you read this, can ya email me again. I have a photocopy of Trail of the Octopus, but I need your addy to send it to ya.
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2457 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1055 times:
Unfortunately, the link Montenegro posted was a bad one! The Not Found window shows up intead!
Here's an updated link to a Libyan Arab A310 in JustPlanes: http://justplanes.com/pics991201.html
Not exactly the livery change Montenegro was talking about. I don't see ANY green or gold on that A310!
But Airliners.net has a couple of far better photos of the new Libyan Arab c/s. This time it's an A320 - with the green and gold on the tail! These photos were taken in January, 2000 at Malpensa in Milan, Italy. A close up of the tail is also shown.
The new livery actually does look better than the old one! I do remember having seen a Libyan Arab 727 parked right next to the KLM DC-9 I was sitting in with my own eyes at LHR at the time my dad and I went on from Amsterdam to LHR back in the early '80s!
Amir From Syria, joined Dec 1999, 1254 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 999 times:
Talking about LN. I used to see their A320's all with EI- Registration. Today a friend of mine arriving from Damascus/Syria reported to have seen a A320 of LN with a french registration??? is this one leased from Airbus?
P.s i might be flying to TIP next year but i doubt that i can make any photos at the A/P :-(
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 978 times:
I would like LAA it it were runned by the right people instead of terrorists using LAA as a safe passage to and from their targets. Keep in mind that when the US did bombing runs over Lybia. One bomb fell on a tent that housed Gaddafi. He wasn't inside but his teenage daughter was and she was killed along with other innocent civilians. This was a good enough motive for Gaddafi to get back at the US. However; I wish Gaddafi would have the then president Regan or Bush assasinated or have the White House blown up with them inside instead of taking it out on 275 inncocent young men, women and children who had nothing to do with the bombing. The president of the US made the decision to bomb Lybia so I think that someone from Libya should've killed the president instead of taking out on innocent passengers incleuding my best friend who were on Pan Am 103. Instead of doing bombing runs over Lybia for revenge over the bombing at the German disco club killing 2 US service personel we should've negotiated for Lybia to hand the terroristsa over.But instead th US being so bomb happy government it is; They decide to bomb a city where innocent people can be killed. As a result Lybia got back at the US big time by killing 270 on Pan Am 103. Don't forget that the US government warned American Embassy personel but not the flying public. There were threats that impicated this flight but the US government did not do a damn thing for it's citizens. It really scares me on how I'm living in a "free nation" but find out that opinions from the American people don't really count. Pan Am isn't excluded from blame either. Pan Am got special waivers from the FAA to skip hand searches on any unaccompanied luggage on Pan Am planes in Europe including flight 103 and their securtiy dogs were not bomb sniffing dogs. They were just show dogs bought cheap at the local kennal. Their bomb detecting equipment was unreliable to detect plastic explosives in the color mode because this mode was malfuntioning and no one had bothered to have it fixed. So Pan Am went on Black and with mode which could only detect metalic bombs, guns and knives but not plastic explosives. Pan Am knew that the threat of a passenger airliner being blown up existed especially during the holiday season but took no action in heightening securtiy. Pan Am was so understaffed at metal detectors that quite a few passengers steped around the cheack points and went directly to their planes. To add insult to injury Pan Am employees refused to give the families any information about what the airline was doing and did not provide any accomodations for the grieving family members. My dad pleaded for hours with the employees for info regarding on my friend and the party he was traveling with. They still refused to say anything. If Pan Am 3 happens to resume international service. I hope that they become extra cautious in security. I also hope that management trains their employees to be sensitive toward families of crash victims if (god forbid0 it happens again.