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Market For A380 And 747-400  
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

I was wondering how many orders Boeing had for the 747-400 since the official go ahead for the Airbus A380.
Do you think the 747-400 will still sell when the A380 is around?


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Sure they will sell 747´s even when A380 is flying commercially, if you have 10 747´s and need a few
more planes in the same size, of course you will buy
the 747 again.


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

I think the 747 market is declining Sad


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User currently offlineNWA ARJ From United States of America, joined May 2001, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

I think that the 747 will do just fine. If the airlines already own 747's and they need more they will probably be likely to buy th747 instead of the A380. Take NWA for example: They would never buy the A380 with having 747's in their fleet already and they have 2 orders out on the 747 right now.


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

All airlines that ordered the A380 so far have 747s in their fleet. With the exception of Emirates, altough they have the 747 freighter, of wich they also ordered versions of the A380 I believe.


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

I think that question will arise in earnest when the A380 will actually be available. Until then, there´s not even an alternative.

That will change, however, after 2006. Further investing in "the previous generation" of large airliners may become a problem in the flying public´s perception, if the A380 has been introduced and if it is well-received. If the proposed advantages of the A380 over the 747 should materialize, that would increase the pressure even further.

But all that, of course, would assume Boeing sitting on their hands in this matter...  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

The ones that eats 747s place is not 380, but 777 and 340NGs.

User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

I think the B744ER would be still good.

B744 and B744ER:
around 412 pax in 3 class config range:13000km

A380-800 (first variant)
around 555 pax in 3 class config range: 8000nm

They are to serve different markets unless of course Airbus builds the proposed smaller but longer range and combi Superjumbos.


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2161 times:


Airbus lover,

You're presenting the ranges in a very misleading manner. When you have two figures it's more customary to present them in the same units:

747-400LR range: 14000 km
388 range: 15000 km.



User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

A agree with Dataman340. The 777 will eventually take a lot of the market share that used to belong to the 747. I'm not that sure the A346 will, though.

User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

I think that airlines would rather buy the A380 than the 744. One reason is that the 744's design is 30 years old! (airlines like having the newest plane possible) And also, the A380 has much lower seat per mile costs than the 744.

Well, thats just my view
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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Actually, the 11% of the reduced seat mile cost is attributed to the increased seating. The remaining 6-7% is from improvements in the structures, systems, etc....
I actually was expecting a little more. It appears that the older technology, while dated, still holds up fairly well....


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