This means that all services to Jackson, Little Rock, Mobile and Birmingham have been suspended by any United/United Express aircraft. does anyone know why? Could they just combine some routes? like ORD-BHM-MOB and still make a profit? They lost a lot of the southeast market. too bad.
life wasn't worth the balance, or the crumpled paper it was written on
SFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
AWAC has relocated these aircraft to the west coast market. United Express, Skywest in conjunction with Air Wisconsin, added 30 RJ flights at LAX to help displace the loss of 34 mainline/United Shuttle flights.
Don't worry, once AWAC and ACAI have more RJs, they'll come back.
The United Express system is scheduled to have 296 RJs by the end of 2003, and now with some accelerated deliveries, that number will only grow faster from the less than 100 today.
Am expecting ARJX and CRJ-700/900 orders from Airwis, as well as more 728/928Jet orders from ACAI. Possible move for more Skywest orders as well (CRJ-700/900). This all depends on how United's pilots will treat regional carrier growth.
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 1234 times:
Air Wisky is trying to renegotiate with United to order 35 ARJX 100 aircraft to fly on many old United routes such as BNA, MBS, FSD, etc. United is begging ALPA for an increase (right now it's set at 5 of those aircraft of size). Air Wisky is also talking about replacing the single -100 and 12 -200s for 15 ARJX 85s (2 of which would be operational spares).
USFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1210 times:
I don't think that it is AWAC that is hatin' on the south, its united in general. Most of the Cities united has dropped/downgraded have been in the south, and most of them are fairly substantial cities.
Changes since 1/01 in the real south (does not include Central or South Florida)
downgraded from ORD
Discontinued from ORD
Discontinued from IAD
Discontined from DEN
The only cities UA serves in the real south as of now with mainline jets are MSY,ATL, CLT, GSO, and RIC.
Jason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 1176 times:
Don't forget the poor people of Lincoln, Nebraska... United went from B757 to B727/737... then said they needed more B737's for the Shuttle operation and replaced them with CRJ's and BAe-146's. Now with the west coast expansion, Lincoln has gone to DO-328's with one regional jet a day.
Kohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1151 times:
I'm not sure why the pilots at United would allow an RJX order when they're complaining about the number of RJs that UAX has to begin with.
As for ACAI, the 328Jet is only in Delta Connection colors right now..
And as for UAL "giving up" on the South.. If you were running a major airline that was bleeding, you'd look to see where it's hurting most. DL pretty much has a lock on biz travel in the South.. so why not put your bigger planes on routes that you know you can make money with and have the RJ feed your hubs from where you can fill them, but not a 737? In a perfect world, UAL would be sending mainline jets to all of the major southern destinations like BHM and BNA and RJs to smaller places like HSV and CHA.. but tough times have gotten even tougher in the last few months and it's just time to be defensive.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1042 times:
I´minterested to see how Air Wisconsin will now decided since the Avro RJX series isn´t any longer an option. In the past they were said to be teh potential launch customer for the 728/928JET in the USA. Maybe this heats up...
Lately I heard that UA might increase its nummber of RJs again. Any truth in this?
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1038 times:
Haven't you heard the old joke "If you die in the Southeast you have to go through Atlanta to get to heaven." I think we all know what airline that is a reference too!
Why try to compete against someone who has that much of a lock on the market, your just going to lose.
Only once have I traveled to the Southeast and not used DL. That was when AA first started DFW-SAV service (okay, its actually Eagle service) and was selling it really cheap just to get word out about it.
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1028 times:
Air Wisconsin is going to *have* to stay with the BAE - Avro family, even if it means picking up used birds... they're the only jet that can safely make it into Aspen, which is AWAC's bread-and-butter come winter (like 15 flights to DEN).
Info on the Air Wisky fleet:
The BAe 146-100 is an original delivery to AWAC in 1985 I believe.
The BAe 146-300 fleet was delivered new between 1989 and 1992 I believe. Only 5 were allowed.
The BAe 146-200 *original* fleet was delivered new between 1986 and 1989. They have some used birds from Tri Star Airlines, USAir, and one from Presidential I believe. Those were 1987 deliveries.