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747 At LGA  
User currently offlinePizzaPolli From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 243 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Ok, I know that 747 300's serve SXM regularly and that runway is about 7000 feet long. Does this mean that a 747 300 or 747 400 could land and take off from LGA safely? With the elevation and temp, etc. there can they operate there? (I know they wouldn't but is it possible) What about 747 200's? And if it could not, what is the biggest plane that can operate in and out of LGA safely. I know TWA used to fly L1011's in and out and Delta did until a year or two ago. What about 777's or A330's etc. Also does anyone know what the biggest plane to ever land there was?

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User currently offlineCO DC-10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

It can...but safely?

User currently offlineRw774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

At least @ SXM you have some land at the end to spare. LGA's runways are just like long diving boards !

rw774477


User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

LGA has runways built on landfill with the ends of 31 and 4 being built on piers. I think that a 747 could land there but not taxi due to the damage it would do to the runways and taxiways. The L1011's that DAL used to fly there were limited to certain weights due to the piers.

User currently offlineRw774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Even MD-80's had weight restrictions for a while !

rw774477


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

The biggest plane you will see now is aDL 767-200 or 300. But I've seen L-1011s land there and the 767-400 canland there with reduced weight. CanDCA handle anything biggger than a 757 or is it the same as LGA? I've seen a 757-200 but what about bigger planes like the 777? With 9-11 the biggest you'll see is Alaska's cramped 737-900.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlinePshifrin From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

I personally flew out of LGA and on a TWA L1011 a few years back.

A week ago, I saw a Delta 767-300 parked at the gate at LGA.


User currently offlineRw774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

I flew AA DC-10-10 DFW-LGA years ago

rw774477


User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

I know that an AN-124 landed there last year
with a spare tail for the AC A320 that was damaged.



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User currently offlineJonPaulGeoRngo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Even I'm skeptical that an AN-124 landed at LGA.

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

I was too, until I saw the picture. The aircraft was
parked over by the Delta Shuttle terminal...
If you do a search...I believe it was a subject
of discussion on Airliners.net...



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User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1964 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Despite its size and weight, it is entirely possible that an An-124 could have landed at LGA. Most CIS (Antonov is Ukrainian) cargo planes and Soviet passenger jets have more wheels than would have been found on their Western counterparts, because of the many unprepared (unpaved) runways throughout the former Soviet Union.

Weight distribution (the pressure each tire generates on the pavement) is of greater concern at an airfield like LGA than simple weight. The spacing of the undercarriage legs on the TriStar was such that it generated less pressure on the pavement than the lighter Airbus A300. That is why L-1011s (Eastern and TWA) were regular visitors at LGA, while the smaller A300 (Eastern) could not land fully loaded until the main runway at LGA was reinforced.

The Boeing 747 was never a regular visotor at LGA, but with its 18-wheel undercarriage, perhaps (I'm not an expert here) the pressure the Jumbo generated was less than or equal to that of the aforementioned trijets.



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

.. and don't forget that most of the 747's at SXM have come all the way from Europe, and so they're low on fuel, meaning that they won't require as much runway. Also, when they depart, I know that KLM flies via Curacao (where the runway is longer), and so they can depart with low fuel. As for Air France, I'm not sure where they stop. Anyone?

.. and since New York is a bit more popular than St. Martin, I doubt that people going through and from LGA will have the patience to fly to a nearby airport for a fuel stop.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4490 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Regarding DCA: The airport has always been restricted to narrowbody operations for NIMBY reasons. But jumbos have landed there. I've seen pictures of an Eastern A300 landing there in the late 1970's, probably an experiment.

In 1998, I think it was, a United DC-10 bound for BWI landed at DCA after running low on fuel. There was bad weather over BWI, and after circling awhile the fuel ran low. There were pictures of the plane in the Washington Post, parked in front of the old DCA 1940's terminal. I wasn't able to get down to the airport and take pictures, but the Post's shot got into the AP wire. I've seen it as a file photo in subsequent unrelated news stories.

Jim


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

afaik, LGA is not prepared to handle aircraft of a wingspan such as the A330s/340s and 777s regularly.
they obivously could land but their massive wingspan would cause major problems at gate positions, turning points and taxiways and thus would interfere with the on-going traffic at LGA. that´s why they may not operate to LGA.
there are exceptions to the rule, as the example of the An-124 shows.

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlinePSU_DTW_SCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

What are the dimensions of LGA's runways? What planes can fly fully loaded from there, especially on a hot summer day?

User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

Runway 4/22

Dimensions: 7000 x 150 ft. / 2134 x 46 m

Surface: asphalt/concrete/grooved, in good condition

Weight limitations: Single wheel: 80000 lbs
Double wheel: 170000 lbs
Double tandem: 360000 lbs


Runway 13/31

Dimensions: 7000 x 150 ft. / 2134 x 46 m

Surface: asphalt/concrete/grooved, in good condition

Weight limitations: Single wheel: 80000 lbs
Double wheel: 170000 lbs
Double tandem: 360000 lbs

...Serge Big grin



User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

The biggest jets to operate at LaGuardia included:

DC10 (American Airlines)
A300 (Eastern)
L1011 (TWA, Delta)
767-200/300 (Delta, TWA, United, American)
767-400 (Delta to Fort Lauderdale)

I doubt a 747 could land safely at LaGuardia. The runways are short and there is a lot of residential space around them and no room for runoff for such a huge jet.

COntinentalEWR


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Earlier this year, a Beluga was in LGA. It was there to transport a part for a damaged plane.


727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
User currently offlineCaptain Moya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

The 747-300 that flies out of SXM for Europe makes a fuel stop in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic (SDQ) where the runway is 11,002' long - enough to accomodate a good fuel load.




User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8060 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

The TriStar and DC10 were specifically built to fly from LGA. It was a key requirement in the briefing AA et al circulated in the mid/late 60s when they asked the manufacturers to build a domestic widebody airliner.

The 747 puts less weight on each tyre than the 707, I know that much. Not that 707s ever flew from LGA (maybe 720s? never heard of it though). But I think you'd have no problem getting a 747 in and out of there, the problem would be taxiing and parking.

Love to know more about the DC10 at DCA.



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User currently offlineWarriorII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

Actually, you might want to add the Beluga SuperTransporter to that list, it made a visit to LGA back a few months ago to deliver a new horizontal stabilizer to a stranded AC A319.

-Tom


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Yes, but would you really, really want to land there if you were a 747 pilot?

Would you really want to be a passenger on that plane? Talk about whiplash...

redngold



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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

I live right under the final landing pattern at LGA - if I saw or heard a 747 flying over my house, I think I'd have a heart attack! (Especially so soon after AA587.)

I have never even seen a 767 land here, though I know from others in this group that they do (I must just never be watching when they're scheduled to come in). A 747 should be able to land in an emergency, but I sure wouldn't want to be on that plane (or under it).



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User currently offlineZebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 416 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

I have flown AA DC-10's,DL L-1011's,B767-200's & -300's and EA A-300's from LGA. I think that the runways are not strong enough to handle 747's.


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25 Cedarjet : The runways would probably be able to take the weight, since the domestic DC10 (the -10) has ten wheels and the 747 has eighteen. So the weight on the
26 Theodule : Where can I find the picture of the 747 at LGA?
27 Cedarjet : I don't think a 747 has ever landed there.
28 Milesrich : No 707's, DC-8's, 720's or CV-880's or 990's ever were operated from LGA. The first jet service was in 1964 with 727-100's. I saw a UA Caravelle take
29 Twaneedsnohelp : speaking of weight and NYC area airports, what was the debate few years ago about BBJs at Teterboro in suburban New Jersey. I think the PANYNJ didn't
30 ATA L1011 : 747's can land their I am sure, tristars and DC-10's can at a much lighter weights. Hell Tristars and DC-10's in alot of cases use as much distance or
31 ETA Unknown : Severely doubt a 747 could make it to LGA (if it lands, I doubt it could take-off) due to weight problems. Yes, DC-10's, Tristars and A300's all flew
32 ATA L1011 : I know for sure ETA I use to work for DL, most of the Tristar flts were to Florida and very lightly loaded. A heavy 1011 or DC-10 in no way shape or f
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