Kohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1032 times:
Move over PHX-DSM, there's a new champ in the long-distance RJ race in the US. Northwest announced today that Express I will be flying MSP-JAX starting in February. Best of luck to the 10 or so people that won't be on that aircraft each time in the summer because of limits...
NorthwestCRJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 878 times:
WOW! Now their stretching limits eh ?(I don't think so) Well for those who want to know, there is a meal service on CRJ flights longer than 2 hours with Express I. There is leather seating. It's the same as a DC9 minus F/C and leather seating in Y/C. As far as entertainment, read World Traveler, look outside, work, socialize, or sleep. They ought to use a CRJ from MSP-MOB or DTW-MOB, that would be excellent. We are in need of one stop service from MOB to many NW markets.
IAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 837 times:
They shouldn't have to restrict. In an ERJ, the longer the flight, the better off you are for weight. We are weight limited on landing weight. A long trip allows us to burn off enough fuel to be well under our max landing weight which is a lot more restrictive than the takeoff weight. I'm sure the CRJ is similar however not having ever been trained on it I might be talking out my you know what.
CV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 948 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 824 times:
IAHERJ is right, the CRJ has problems, big time, on the short runs. Its max take off weight is 53000 pounds but landing is 47000. It only burns 2200 in cruise, so can cause big time headaches on the short runs. It has well over 2000 nm range(7 + hour endurance) with reserves, so shouldn't even be a slight problem
CV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 948 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 804 times:
Very true about the windows, the ERJ definitely has a huge advantage there. Yeah, they do seem to love the jets here, nice jet bridegs and all but at the expense of the Saabs, oh well. Time to be Mr jet now anyways. Grabbed a ride with CoEx today out of ISP and then CLE to MEM. Just wanted to pass along a thanks to you guys, as usual a great job. Hope to hear you growing and getting your guys off of furlough soon too. Fly safe.
JonnyGT From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 241 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 792 times:
Starting about a month ago, DSM is now a full America West stop with one daily 733, I believe. It's quite nice because I took the long distance DSM-PHX route about a month ago, and while it was enjoyable, 3 hrs on a CRJ was REALLY pushing it!
Oscar2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 762 times:
Express Also used to fly MEM-MTY which was about 2 hours and 30 minutes. A lot of people complain about flights over 2 hours in RJ's, but in a lot of markets in would be a nonstop RJ or a connection or 2.
Kohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 769 times:
I'm not so concerned about the range of the plane being a problem with a full load. I don't doubt that it could make it with 50 folks on a good day. The problem comes in the summertime, when JAX and every airport within 250 miles of JAX has the good ole tempo of VRB25G45KT 1/2SM TSRA+ for the whole afternoon. Throw on a good alternate and some contingency fuel and you'll definitely be taking limits.. and a lot of them. The other problem is routing around enroute weather. If a line of t-storms stretches from ORD to MOB and you need to route around it, there's no way you're taking 50 people.
IAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 762 times:
Why not, what in the hell do you know about the CRJ or ERJ. We just explained that you can top off the tanks, load up with 50 people and bags, and make the trip. Now if the weather requires more than full tanks, then nobody goes. Is that hard to figure out. A fuel stop would be needed. It has nothing to do with the plane being a 50 passanger regional jet or a 737 that has a 2,000 NM range. If the weather is so bad that it is going to take more fuel than the plane can hold, no one is going nonstop.
IAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 757 times:
Thanks for the kind words. My wife and I always try to use you guys from MEM to MGM to visit her family. The alternatives from ATL are a complete joke. Schedule 8 flights a day and actually get 6 off the ground. As far as getting our guys off of furlough, it really depends on big CAL. We are getting a new jet every Friday starting Jan 1. We are getting 5 new jets before Christmas. We are growing, we are just growing with their furloughed pilots bumping our guys to the street. I think it will turnouround in the next 9 months. The big Cal guys are great and I'm damn glad to have them back with us and welcome the guys that never flew at Express before as well. I and they would just like to see them back on the boeings.
I think you guys and us are the only regional jet operators that use jet bridges to the extent that we use them. Have fun on the CRJ.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 30 Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 721 times:
Something to think about... NW uses Mesaba and Express as route provers. If this route does well, and I'm sure it will, you bet your nickets and dimes that NW mainline will take this over.
Here are some examples of this in the past:
DTW-PWM, MSP-Regina, MEM-ATL, MEM-ICT, MEM-RDU, MEM-DFW. These were all at one time flown and operated by MEsaba... only to be taken over by NW using DC9s. I don't know about some Express cities, because they're new to the jet. We'll see what happens... too bad this couldn't have been in the avro. You'd be comfy there... I guess the range is an issue.
CV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 948 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 727 times:
Actually there will be no restrictions on the CRJ to JAX. The aircraft weights on average 30,000 empty, 50 people as you say above is 8500, plus say 2000 pounds in baggage. Now lets say first hour fuel burn is 3200 pounds(do to climb), second hour is 2400(still heavy), third hour is 2200, fourth hour in case of problems with winds is 2200, fifth hour is 2200(at this point you'd be a little less with the descent but lets play conservative). My total with all this is 52,700 ramp weight. The max ramp weight of the CRJ 200LR is 53,250 pounds. So we have 550 pounds to play with even though we are taking almost a 2 hour reserve, or enough to get just outside of JAX and divert to MEM using conservative numbers. Plus if they have extremely high demand and always selling out they'll just replace it with a -9, but guess what, that has less range then the CRJ. I'm not too worried about the range on that trip, guess its A319 time.
IAHERJ, yeah the jetbridges help a ton, make people feel like they are getting on a main line flight, looks better then a mad dash in the pouring rain. Glad we can help, you have been great when ever I've needed the ride, fly safe
Kohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 726 times:
We'll use your numbers..
7,800 Burn (3 hours as you stated above)
2,000 legal contingency (don't leave home without it!)
2,000 alternate fuel to somewhere other than SAV
1,000 contingency (and that ain't much)
500 taxi fuel:
The look on the faces of the 5-10 people you leave behind in MSP: Priceless.