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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

NO A VS. B WARS!!!!

Excuse me for pointing this out, but as an Englishman, it annoys me, when i keep seeing this. Why is it that americans dont like anything not made in their country?
Im as sick of the nagging a vs. b wars as all of you, but it annoys me when Americans (not all of you just some) make all these doom and gloom allegations at airbus jetliners, based on nothing more than the fact that some airlines in the US have chosen to order the european jet instead of your beloved Boeing. I once heard someone say, "Im not flying United anymore, they are Airbus's biggest customer..." Thats hardly fair. The two manufacturers are equally good at what they do, and it is a healthy rivalry, and a good and exciting one to watch "will KLM go for A330 or 777????" MY POINT IS THAT I FEEL SURE JUDGING BY SOME OF THE COMMENTS IVE HEARD, THAT IF IT WAS A 767 THAT HAD GONE DOWN IN QUEENS, AN AMERICAN AIRLINER, YOU WOULD NOT BE SO QUICK TO SLAG IT OFF, AND MAKE OUT THAT ITS NOT SAFE. All the alegations and comments made to airbus, i just do not see that they are fair... I mean, who are you at war with? Europe or Terrorism? We back you to the hilt in Afgahistan and all you lot can say is

"Thanks very much for sacrificing your own soldier's lives to help us, Britain, our best buddies in the world, but by the way, your airplanes are terminally unsafe, and i will avoid flying airbus in future..."

Of course some of you will just say, that im english so im biased towards airbus. no im not. I like them, just as much as boeing, and my all time fave planes are both american, the MD11, and 777. Is it just a mirror of your aggressive free trade policies that the US government has? To the rest of the world, free trade means just that, but to the US Govt. it seems to mean hefty levys on all foreign nations that want to trade with us, but wont give us preferencial trade agreements, and export taxes rates etc. We will not allow non-US shipping into direct competition with US shipping unless the US government is allowed to subsidise the US shipping so they can undercut the Europeans...Such behaviour is illegal in the EU, by the european comission on free trade and industry, the US is in the OECD, but still they cant let Americans trade on a level playing field, despite that being key to your bloody constitution! so why do they do it?

OK rant over.
I know we, here in Europe are not always squeaky clean, but lets just stop dissing Airbus, or anything else European just becasue it is European. I mean you buy BMW's and Merc instead of Oldmobiles and others, so whats up? THEY ARE EQUALLY AS GOOD, AND BOTH ARE SAFE, SO LETS STOP THE XENOPHOBIC AIRBUS BASHING OK?

I call it misplaced patriotism. Nothing wrong with being patriotic, certainly now, but lets just keep iT in perspective. Sorry if ive insulted any of you, its not personla, just a gripe really.

Best Wishes
CHRIS MORGAN


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
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User currently offlineKirstey From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Now I agree with your sentiments - Airbus is a dream compared to Boeing - HOWEVER! The UK's contribution to the European Airbus is limited to upholstering the seats and fitting toilet roll holders!

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

XENOPHOBIC AIRBUS BASHING?

That's funny.

From the heart of a Yank, and I mean this, they're awesome , technically advanced machines, the cutting edge of commercial aviation. Feel better?

But it would do us no good to be all smiles while there could be a design flaw in the aircraft, does it? You didn't see great swarms of patriotic Americans marching around the big hole in the ground in Aliquippa PA after the Red, White and Blue built Boeing 737 went in, did you? Hell no. We questioned the design, eventually determined that there was a flaw in the way the rudder worked, and worked to prevent it happening again. If you know anything about aviation, you know that that examination has paid off.

Is there a flaw in the composites of the A300 tail? Are we bashing Europe for asking that? I doubt even 99 percent of Europeans would say that. You guys fly in 'em too.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

That and the wings...

No, we just put alloy wheels, Chrome dummy exhausts, and max-power, "Kenwood",and "No Fat Birds" stickers on em....
...in keeping with the Kevving up of our cars - a national pastime it would seem.

Cheers
CHRIS



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Fair enough gripe and Although a boeing man I have to say it is to the benefit of EVERYBODY in aviation to have 2 healthy competitors.

If there was no competition we may never have seen the 777 of the a330/a340

Nothing wrong with either

Regards



User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Heavy metal: Yeah mate, i agree with you, for what its worth, and yes i do fly on them, and its not you im having a pop at, its the people who now, because of a (unproven) supposed defect in the A300, they are now trumpeteing to all who will listen, that "Im am not going to fly airbus" I remember seeing a man sayign he would now be taking southwest and not america west as they have got an all boeing fleet. how sad can you get?
No, im not getting at you Heavymetal, you make a valid point, but i think you could look at the actions of some of your countrymen and take note...there is some of it going on, i dont think you can deny it. I just want to see it stopped thats all.
Best Wishes
CHRIS MORGAN



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

No, Boeing 767, i agree with you, and i stated as such im my thread post, but, it the other parts im whinging at.

CHRIS MORGAN



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKirstey From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Probably explains why you get into the Airbus with a remote lock on a keyring. The strobe flash 3 times and you get a squeaking noise as the alarm/immobiliser goes off!

Here's to the new Airbus XR3i

As for wings - fair point. But there's a lot more fun things to be involved with when gluing and airbus together?


User currently offlineCyprus-Turkish From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Both Airbus and Boeing are great companies and the competetion benefits all of us with better products. B777s are excellent aeroplanes, just like A340s and both American and European countries should enjoy the beauties and comforts of having such fantastic options. It is due to this competetion that soon we will have A380 and the Sonic Cruiser. Boeing and Airbus are fighting with each other to be "better" and that is why they are all being innovative and creative.
So lets congratulate both for their contribution to the aviation history and hope that new strong companies will come out and compete with them.
Regards,
ERDEM


User currently offlineSUDDEN From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

CHRISBA777ER.........

You just started another B v A!



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineCyprus-Turkish From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

NO!! CHRISBA ain't started anything. He is pointing that we should stop this senselessness, and better do it now and just appreciate both Boeing and Airbus without being biased! Why is this so hard to understand?

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

SUDDEN: no mate, thats exactly what im trying not to do. Its not about A VS B, it about why Americans wont fly Airbus. I think its because they dont trust anything not american, but my opinion is not american either so you probably wont trust that either....

THIS IS NOT AN A vs B WAR!!!!!

Im not trying to compare the companies. If you actually READ my post then youll have gathered that by now. That goes for Cyprus-Turkish too. Im trying to sort out why Americans wont travel Airbus purely because they are not American....sorry to keep repeating myself...

Do you understand where im coming from, or do i have to explain myself better?

CHRIS MORGAN



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

This is not an A vs. B war...
This is NOT an A vs. B WAR
THIS IS NOT AN A VS. B WAR!!!!!
THIS IS NOT......


This is an A vs. B war.
 Smokin cool


User currently offlineCyprus-Turkish From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

If they don't want to fly Airbus, it is their choice.
Part of it might be the fact that they operate many all Boeing fleets, introducing an Airbus airliner might be more costly in terms of crew training and maintenance.
Do i get it now? or stil...?


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Sorry Turkish-Cyprus, ill explain. What i'm pissed off about is as follows.
People conducting their own a vs. b wars, in america, by suddenly becoming experts about airline safety, and staing publicaly in a manner that suggests a deep rooted hatred for all things non-american, that:

(undertones in brackets)

"The Airbus A300 (and therefore the entire airbus fleet-obviously) is not safe, and that composite rudders (blah blah blah) are not safe and so I (so you should all do the same) will not be flying Airbus anymore, as they are not safe (or american, which is more important)"

they are basing the whole a v b thing on the fact that airbus is not american....they say that operators that fly non-american airliners are not as good for exactly that reason and nothing to do with service etc.

I put it to you, that it is absolutely nothing to do with the airliners themselves, and more the fact that some (not all by any means) americans are being just a teeny weeny bit rascist/xenophobic about it all. They think the rest of the world is uncultured and not as good as them. Dont get me wrong, i love america, and ive been there sooooooooooo many time, and on the whole, i like americans, but on this point i think they are being out of order.

There, does that help?
CHRIS MORGAN



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

I live in Canada, and every airline here except for WestJet has Airbus aircraft in their fleet! I think Airbus are awesome aircraft and I can't wait to see Air Canada have there A340-500's and 600's Smile/happy/getting dizzy


I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Can i just say....
I love Airbus, and I love Boeing, so a A vs B war is a tad counterproductive, so if that all youve got, then dotn bring it onto this thread ok?

I think its easier for americans to feel that its an a vs b war, but they should look inside and ask why they all dont like boeing...
Its no coincidence that there are no American Airbus fans is it? Thought not. Thats all i have to say about ti, and i dont wnat to talk about it, i just want to see it stopped, ok?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Nice sentiment ba777, but its not really what im trying to talk about....

ok then ill ask you.
why do americans suddenly not like airbus?


Im not talking about the aircraft themselves, but more about the nationalities involved- if it had been a 767 at queens, do you think they would have been as quick to point the finger at the airplane?

Regards, CHRIS MORGAN



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Sorry, Chris. I think you're being way over-sensitive. You're reading waaay to much into the postings of only a few people.

There are plenty of pro-Airbus flamers here too...does that mean I get offended by their insinuations that Airbuses are the hi-tech hot rods of the skies, and Boeings are antiquated clunkers, the product of a dinosaur company and an oblivious, unimaginative culture. Nope. Penis envy, nothin' more. Don't let it bug ya.


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3118 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2105 times:
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CHRISBA777ER--I object to the way that you are singling out Americans in your gripe. We don't all hate/avoid Airbus aircraft. Any enlightened person would agree with you that boycotting airlines for flying Airbus planes is ridiculous.

For you, it should not be the "Americans" that you chastise, but all forces of stupidity and ignorance, regardless of their nationality. In the future, if you would like to comment on idiotic behavior of a MINORITY of Americans, please make it clear that they are a minority. Thank you.

Incidentally, as an American, let me thank you and your countrymen for your support in the "war" against terrorism. It IS appreciated.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

Thanks heavymetal.

I must say i hope you are right, but it is visible in all that americans take part in overseas, i mentioned trade agreements earlier, but in a lot of things. It just annoys me thats all. I am going to go live in america soon, and i really like the place, but its the superior attitude some people over there have...Im not talking about A VS B, i used it as an example, so perhaps this entire thread is off topic, and should be canned, but do you no agree that there are some people who insist on flying american planes over non american planes because they feel that they are either better, or that they are morally obligated to do so? Put it this way. I take a transatlantic flight. Which airline do i take? Either Lufthansa or Continental. I like them both. BA are too expensive normally, and United's food and legroom suck. So there you go. Some americans dont think like that do they? They feel morally obligated to fly with an american airline, because they cannot possibly envisage a foreign one being better.

Maybe i am being over sensitive, but its just my two penny, sorry, cent's worth.

Cheers
CHRIS MORGAN



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Lindy, Sorry, i thought i made it clear in my post, i apologise if i didnt, and i know very well that there are other people in the world who do it, and yes, that the americans who do, are in a minority. Maybe because theres so many americans in the forum, and it always seems to boil down to an A vs B war. You can picture the thread now...

"South African Airways to forge marketing alliance with Thai international"

Not thirty seconds later it becomes...

"Boeing are just better, and airbus are for fools"

how does that work? i ask you?!

Come on Lindy, you have heard it a hundred times. As an enlightened american, it must bug you and heavymetal to death...Sorry mate, i was having a whinge at the minority. didnt mean to offend you.

Regards
CHRIS MORGAN



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCyprus-Turkish From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Come on people chill out.
I do think that the A300 AA accident was more revealing of AA's non-caring maintenance rather than Airbus' quality. Wouldn't it be nice if AA decides to replace the whole A300 fleet with brand new A330s. I would love to see that day to prove that the bias towards non-US is just by minorities.


User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Anyway you can't hide the fact that Airbus jets are more boring than Boeing jets.
Offcorse Airbus makes good planes, but the only airbuses that are interesting to fly on are the 300/310.

tg 747-300




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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Sorry to say..you wont find American buying any airbus planes for a while...they are gonig ALL Boeing on their main fleet.

Anyways...why would they need A330's? They have 767's and 777's.


25 CHRISBA777ER : Thank you Cyprus. I agree utterly, but, the fact that we KNOW they wont, is precisely my point...well.. maybe im being too hard, i think its somewhere
26 Lindy field : Quite alright, Chris. No real offense taken. I just wanted to assert that morons come in all shapes and sizes and speak many different languages. Yes,
27 PHLFlyer : I am an American. I like Boeing and Airbus. I like the A320 over the 737 I like the A321 I like the 747 over the A340 I like the 767 over the A330 I l
28 Andreas : ..one thing from a German (that's me!): Are you really comparing US cars to German Mercs and BMWs??? You can't be serious!!! Unfortunately you are rig
29 Cyprus-Turkish : "Airbus jets are more boring than Boeing jets." YES Tg 747-300 a very educated and a sensible argument. I have diffuculty understanding your mentality
30 CHRISBA777ER : Andreas, dude, have you been in an oldsmobile lately? actually, yeah you are right... my dad ordered the new shape M3 two weeks ago (theres a six mont
31 CHRISBA777ER : sorted.
32 Dc10guy : My English Friends, I'm an American and I like Airbus... Please consider the source. This board is (for the most part )prety childish. Aircraft a boug
33 PHLFlyer : What I really like that I have a hard time finding in the US is clotted cream, for my scones of course. The name was somewhat gross, but it sure is ta
34 CHRISBA777ER : PHL, luckily for you i live in Plymouth which is on the Devopn Cornwall border. Its the only place in the UK where you can get good clotted cream and
35 DC-10inLB : Lets not take such offense to things like this. Comments like "I"ll never fly an Airbus or Boeing plane" are made by people who dont' think before the
36 SPRINGBOK : Come on lads! lets not argue, just beg to differ, seems a bit silly to me, however i agree there have been certain people bashing airbus because there
37 F4N : Chris: I guess my first bit of advice would be to treat alot of what you see here with a good deal of scepticism. This is, after all, a discussion boa
38 Tg 747-300 : "Cyprus-Turkish": Sorry if ypu didn't like my answer, but you should know that my meaning wasn't to give a "educated" one, but rather express my oppin
39 WarriorII : What a stupid post.....
40 Post contains images Leftseat86 : All I'll say is each has it's faults, but aesthetically, I like Boeing. And Heavymetal once again has the last laugh! You da man!
41 PHLFlyer : Are the Cornish pastries the one that derived from the meals that coal miners would take for lunch. meat and such in a nice thick pastry with a big cr
42 Braniff727 : Are you upset that people dislike Airbus so much that they would not fly a particular airline? WHY? I'm sure there are people out there that dislike B
43 Post contains images PHLFlyer : Hey! I'm offended!! Why not BraniffDC-8 or do you not mind if you offend Douglas lovers!
44 NWA : I agree with braniff...
45 FDXmech : 98% of all passengers whether European or American have no idea what manufacturer or model of aircraft they are flying or have flown. Did you ever (li
46 The Paul : Agreed with WarriorII. What kind of dumb topic is this? No one really cares if you get upset when Americans prefer Boeing over Airbus.
47 EGGD : I started a thread a couple of months back about people writing comments in the polls saying 'boeing is best' and 'if it ain't Boeing you ain't going'
48 EGGD : btw. I think Constructive A.v.B debates are good, stupid uneducated answers with no reasons are bad.
49 Post contains images B747forlife : Why can't we all just not talk about A VS B ever. Someone always brings it up. Not trying to be mean here, but when someone brings up something that i
50 PHLFlyer : I guess it is no different than the whole Ford vs. Chevy argument here in the US. Ford and Chevy (General Motors) both make fine automobiles, but ther
51 JetBlue320 : I am a good ole' American, I think AIRBUS is Better than Boeing. SO STOP COMPLAININ'
52 Wingman : I don't recall seeing any moronic comments made by anyone regarding the A300, but I'll assume they did. So given their statements, I'm trying to think
53 Dash8King : No 717 accidents!
54 Airplanetire : I'm an American and I love Boeing and Airbus. From experience and from listening to what others think, I can conclude that European airlines are FAR s
55 AmericanKing : I agree with you ChrisBA777ER. I am an American but I love the the British and European culture. If I was starting my own airline I would rather have
56 Thumper : What bugs me is all the Europeans always saying Airbuses are so superior to Boeing's!I have flown plenty of both and I find some models of each better
57 SailorOrion : Ok, I read enough of this to reply to it. 1) I'm studying aerospace engineering, so aviation is more than a hobby for me. I am NOT ABLE to say whether
58 MiG31 : I agree so much with the author of this post since that goes not only for Boeing and Airbus but for all other a/c and not only a/c... Reagrds! I.T.
59 2CN : I agree utterly, but, the fact that we KNOW they wont, is precisely my point...well.. maybe im being too hard, i think its somewhere between xenophobi
60 SUDDEN : BA777ER........ You maybe didn't think that you started a A vs B argue. But look what it turned into. An A vs B discussion. You chould have known that
61 Solnabo : Hellooo, u upperlip brit! BA didn´t have any Airbus, only 73N-777X.. Br. Caledonian had ordered A 320, but they went bankrupt, so BA was forced (more
62 David_itl : BCal didn't go bankrupt! If you care to remember back to 1987, Lord King was reported in Flight International as saying that "if BA were to be allowe
63 VS744 : Jeezuz!!! I just got about half way through this post when I could'nt bear to read any more! Chris, its obvious you feel very strongly about this, and
64 Arsenal@LHR : We all know that its only a handful of stupid, uneducated bunch who make comments like "boeing is better that airbus", so lets relax. Airbus and Boein
65 Greg : I think the above post it pretty much dead on. As one airline exec said--"there is no magic in the 320 or in the 737--they are equal. We will buy base
66 Wingman : Hey Solnabo, Too bad we aren't still living in the days when Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Britain, German or Russia were the leading world powers.
67 Cedarjet : CHRISBA777 just made my respected users list. Some Americans have made extremely ill-informed judgements about Airbus and as was pointed out, they sti
68 Post contains images Solnabo : To Wingman What are u yapping about? "I didn´t know that we were THAT hated in the world" Poor sod, back to TX, and b-bq his............ )) Lord have
69 L-188 : We tried to have a Canadair vs Embrear debate but it never did have the same gusto as a A vs B debate. Ditto for ATR vs DHC
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