1 TC957
: Perhaps obvious, but shouldn't the KLIA authorities make contact with Air Atlanta ?
2 Siren
: Very interesting find! I'm thoroughly amused. The three aircraft in question are, from the article: TF-ARM parked in KLIA Bay B61; TF-ARN (white) in K
3 hongkongflyer
: The notice is just a procedure. Sure KUL know who is the owner of those 747s and they are clear that the owner doesn't have the ability and won't pay
4 Trijetsonly
: TF-ARM and TF-ARN are supposed to be owned by GECAS. I wonder what's the story behind.
5 scbriml
: I can't find anything to suggest they are owned by anyone other than Air Atlanta Iceland.
6 YYZYYT
: I'd hazard a guess - that there is some legal obligation to take provide notice before the aircraft can be seized, as the story hints... publication
7 readytotaxi
: I think there is more to this than we might know. http://www.atlanta.is/index.aspx?groupid=80 Website.
8 readytotaxi
: In England we would say,"The dogs Boll**ks"
9 kelvin933
: TF-ARM, TF-ARN and TF-ARH are not on the Icelandic registry, as far as I can see they were last used by MAS Kargo.
10 scbriml
: OK, after a bit of digging, ATDB lists the following for each frame: TF-ARH - operated by MAS until 07/2009. Left Air Atlanta's fleet in 07/2009. Lis
12 TheFlyingDisk
: Actually what's the SOP for derelict aircraft disposal? Because I've been flying in and out of KUL & those planes have been around since 2010 - 5
13 caoimhin
: A friend in KL shared this picture from the newspaper in question. Same information as the article, but it sure is striking to see. [Edited 2015-12-07
14 CARST
: I am going to KUL and collect them. Will be claiming to be the owner and then fly them out myself. Will they let me? Perhaps I get fuel for free, when
col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2219 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18062 times:
ARH is going nowhere, it is actually holding the tarmac down in place. ARH also looks like it started the break-up phase and then everything stopped. The other two have not moved since I got here in 2010, tires probably have more flat spots than Romain Grosjean Lotus.
YYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1069 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15313 times:
Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 6): I'd hazard a guess - that there is some legal obligation to take provide notice before the aircraft can be seized, as the story hints... publication in a newspaper may seem silly in this day and age, however the law was probably written when newspapers were the cat's pyjamas
confirmation in the newspaper clipping in reply 13:
Quoting caoimhin (Reply 13): A friend in KL shared this picture from the newspaper in question. Same information as the article, but it sure is striking to see.
lancelot07 From Austria, joined Apr 2014, 865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12026 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 14):
I am going to KUL and collect them. Will be claiming to be the owner and then fly them out myself. Will they let me? Perhaps I get fuel for free, when telling them that I gonna remove them from their property?
You'd better bring a few hairdryers first. Otherwise, you won't need fuel.
peterinlisbon From Portugal, joined Jan 2006, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9904 times:
I parked a rented 747 at Kuala Lumpur a few years ago and when I got back someone had nicked all four engines so I thought "forget it" and came back on MAS. It was pretty old anyway and it was going to cost 50,000$ in fuel.
9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9718 times:
It's surprising that only now MAHB is putting this notice out in the press as these frames have been sitting at KLIA for years. I've grown so used to them i'd consider them part of the airport. But i get the sensation in the international press. It's hard to imagine something like a 747 being completely abandoned, let alone 3 of them.
What i've been told at KLIA was that all 3 were sold off to a Malaysian company which set up a sell & lease back construction with a foreign investment company which was repeated abroad a number of times to the point were it was already unclear who the actual owner was some time ago. The owner of the engines on TF-ARH later sent in maintenance crews to remove the engines as payments to them were no longer being made.
MAHB had later denied access to maintenance crews who intended to remove parts from TF-ARM & TF-ARN because ownership was unclear & they had now become aware that TF-ARH as collateral had taken a hit with the removal of it's engines. I have no idea how much truth is in that story but it's a good one & if anything it looks like an embarrassment that MAHB has allowed this to drag on for as long as it has.
In any case these planes have not had any storage preparation or any other care since the Air Atlanta crews have flown them into KLIA. It would be a nightmare amount of work if these were to be flown elsewhere. So i can't see MAHB getting back much of the money they are owned.
Quoting TheFlyingDisk (Reply 12): Actually what's the SOP for derelict aircraft disposal? Because I've been flying in and out of KUL & those planes have been around since 2010 - 5 years without any action whatsoever.
I think after 14 days they are free to write up & execute their own SOP for these
I might even be sad to see them go when that time comes.
I believe in coincidences. Coincidences happen every day. But I don't trust coincidences.
ua900 From Germany, joined Feb 2014, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8832 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 14): I am going to KUL and collect them. Will be claiming to be the owner and then fly them out myself. Will they let me? Perhaps I get fuel for free, when telling them that I gonna remove them from their property?
Charges could add up after years of storage and they'd probably need a thorough MX check first. Betcha they can't be flown out at present even if you pay the parking fees. This story may sound impressive but essentially it's like a giant old RV abandoned at an airport parking lot. Eventually the parking fees will exceed the value of the vehicle and no one will want to claim it.
Quoting TC957 (Reply 1): Perhaps obvious, but shouldn't the KLIA authorities make contact with Air Atlanta?
You'd think that the airport owner would have stopped the 2nd or 3rd plane to land there "over the span of one year" and asked the ownership question to the pilots.
Older airplanes are being abandoned because scrap value is close to zero:
Quote: "In this part of the world, the market for parts is not that good and the recycling industry is not as developed as in Europe, so much of the scrap metal is worth virtually nothing too," he said.
So it seems Asian airports become boneyards:
Quote: The problem of dumping aircraft has accordingly become widespread across southeast Asia, with airports like Jakarta's Soekarno-Hatta, Manila's Ninoy Aquino International and Thailand's Don Mueang all reporting dozens of abandoned aircraft on their aprons.
Quote: The owner of the three Boeing 747 planes left unclaimed at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport has come forward to say that they have been in consistent contact with Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB).
"MAHB, for some unfathomable reason, refuses to acknowledge Swift as the owners of the aircraft, even though we have all of the supporting documents, including the bill of sale for the three aircraft," he was quoted saying.
"Based on this evidence, Swift is unable to fathom the reason for MAHB’s declaration that it has taken ‘exhaustive steps’ without being able to find a ‘contact person’ when all along, Swift was fulfilling its obligations."
A copy of the bill of Sale.
"Swift Air Cargo released a statement saying it purchased them from a Hong Kong company in June, and had been meeting with Malaysian airport officials since then to collect them."
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