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Concorde Load Factors At 70%  
User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 954 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2620 times:


British Airways says that load factors on its BAC-Aerospatiale Concorde services have consistently exceeded 70% since the aircraft returned to regular commercial service earlier this month.

Following restoration of the aircraft’s certificate of airworthiness in September, the carrier restarted transatlantic Concorde services to New York JFK on 7 November and is preparing to recommence supersonic operations to Barbados for the winter.

“Concorde bookings to New York are going extremely well,” says BA CEO Rod Eddington. “Since 7 November, load factors have consistently been in excess of 70%.”

Weekly Barbados flights are scheduled to begin again on 1 December and continue until 13 April.


Source: Air Transport Intelligence news

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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2439 times:

I can personally confirm those factors are true, and good news, considering we break even at around 30%
If these figures continue, expect the twice-daily JFK service to be reinstated around next april.


User currently offlineBombayhog From United States of America, joined May 2001, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

BA breaks even with a load factor of 30% on the Concorde?? I had no idea. I'd always heard that the Concorde tended to lose money even with high loads.

/gwl


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Nope, Bombayhog - Concorde is a major moneyspinner for BA. Over £50 million profit in the last twelve months it operated!

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

The basic return ticket is now £6800. You do get upgrades and staff discounts, (BA get a 90% discount, others 60-75%).
Looking at lists the other day, you noticed that many familiar names were on board again, I don't mean famous people, though they are too, rather very frequent business users. They said all along they'd be back, the media were rather sceptical, what do they know?
For the return to service, a 60% discounted ticket was available for about a week, at least one Air.Net member is taking advantage of that offer.
Pre the grounding, charters made up 9% of the revenue, but used up a lot of airframe life, so BA were looking to reduce them.
Now the official line is no charters until 2003, and then only a few lucrative ones, (no more 90 minute Mach 2 pleasure flights for £600-£800).
But since Sept. 11th, in the 'cash is king' BA, we've heard marketing are looking again at charters.
When more modified aircraft are available, we'll see what happens. Next are the Saturday LHR-BGI/BGI-LHR flights starting 1st December, some are already fully-booked.





User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

So with a 75% load factor, BA makes £20 million annually. Interesting...


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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Do you know which aircraft is on the JFK run tomorrow (30th)? What about the 12:30 flight from JFK on the 4th December? Just in case I forget to look as I did on my only other Concorde trip.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

I'll have the details on which of the three operational aircraft you fly on.
Your previous flight, was it after 01/01/98?


User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Ceildih, 70%, that's even much better than the load factor of your L1011's  Insane  Big thumbs up  Insane  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Is 70% good? Do explain someone.


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

As stated previously, break even is around 30%
In the last few days, the BA001's have been just over 80%


User currently offlineAamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Concorde is a goldmine for BA and AF. AF aircraft are often chartered and as they only have 5 a/c now they get quite a good usage. BA aircraft are usually concentrated on scheduled services. 70% is fantastic news... concorde accounts for a relatively large percentage of profits at ba. Im interested to see how AF is doing..... they never did seem to have as many concorde flights and pax numbers were a little lower, now they have 1 less a/c how does it affect em?

User currently offlineHkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Are BA and AF planning to modify all their aircraft so that they can all fly again? If they are going to do so, any idea when the work will be completed?


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

BA are working on the 4th A/C (OAD). Officially no more have yet been programmed, but we've heard the OAC is almost certain to be modded.
The great load factors make it highly likely that OAA will also be modded, perhaps at the same time as OAC.
OAB will be decided later, BA intend to resume 2 JFKs per day from April.
So it's likely that all 7 will eventually be done.
All modded A/C so far have had the spar 72 wing mod done previously, the rest will have to have the work done before the tank mod.
OAA and OAB also require a routine heavy maint. check.
If OAC is started this month, it should be ready by mid april.
A tank mod takes about 90 days.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Sorry I appeared to ignore your reply after I'd asked you a question but everything kind of hit the fan at work after I'd posted that.

My first flight was LHR-JFK, 15th Sep 1999, charter flight BA 9093. If you can supply the registration for that aircraft I'd be very grateful.

In case anyone else is interested, this time my outward flight was on "AE" and the return was on "AF".


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

I'll be able to find that out.
Updating my previous posts on here, OAC will start it's mod. in January, although not officially programmed yet, the tank mod. kits for OAA and OAB have been ordered.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

The BA9093C on 15 sept. 99, was operated by G-BOAA

User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Thanks GDB, I can finally get some sleep! So, three flights and no duplicates. I'll need to contact you to synchronise aircraft next time. It'll be a couple of years though - don't leave your job!

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