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Should Easyjet Re-open A Liverpool - London Route?  
User currently offlineVS744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

I flew this LPL - LTN quite a few times, and the a/c were always full. I know that they stopped this route because of a row with Luton Airport over charges, but why don't they open a new route to LGW?

Does anyone know if there are plans to open a new route?

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User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

I don't think so im afraid VS744, yes there was dispute about airport fee's and that's why they dont do the LPL-LTN run no more  Crying Easyjet are buying more and more aircraft and they are venturing into bigger things now so maybe thats long forgotten.....
EGFF



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User currently offlineVS744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

Someone has got to do something. LPL to a London Airport is crying out for a low fares carrier!

Not this Euro Celtic Airways expensive prop driven operation thats going on at the moment!!


User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1247 times:

I agree VS747, perhaps 'Go' will maybe look into this ??
EGFF



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User currently offlineVS744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

If I had the money, I would set it up myself!!
If only to save myself the 3-4 hour drive every time I go back up to Liverpool!!


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1240 times:
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EGFF

Do you think easyJet would tolerate Go at LPL? They were horrified at even the idea of Go at MAN but to see them at their own patch, I'm sure they'd love that  Wink/being sarcastic

VS744

And why not a MAN-London low-cost service? Or a Blackpool-London low-cost service?

David/MAN


User currently offlineVS744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

David/MAN

Note you forgot to include your number of days!

Anyway reasons are purely selfish!!

My family lives in Wallasey - 15 mins from LPL, and 45 mins from MAN!!


User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

lol...yes david, they would freak! worth a try though  Big grin the Blackpool one sounds good, lol...maybe Cessna?
EGFF



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1228 times:
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Ah, the selfish ways! If I had my way, I'd compel all MAS and MAU to stay at MAN, tell BA to actually serve Britain and not London and generally cause a commotion to the world's airlines by telling them to actually take advantage of Britain's regions instead of trying to totally clog up London!

David/MAN: 238 and counting (or 237 according to the countdown clock on BBC Manchester's reception; my countdown is correct though!)


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

It stopped because they lost pots. There is too much competition on a route like that and LPL-LTN is only going to serve a business market in the local catchment areas of the two airports. The big market is MAN-LON and having to travel at both ends makes it unlikely to succeed. I was a bit more surprised that MAN-LCY failed though (can't remember who that was) as I would have thought there was a market for that.

As for U2 operating LPL-LGW, I'm sure that they wouldn't mind, but even with BA vacating slots they are still in short supply and other routes would be a long way ahead in terms of priority.



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User currently offlineVS744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

Banco:
it stopped because they lost pots?

was that a typo? if not, what does it mean?


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1208 times:
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Pots = pot loads of money!

David/MAN: 238 and counting


User currently offlineVS744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

ah, thanks.....went right over my head!!

I thought that was because BArclays upped the passenger fee?

so wouldnt LGW offer something worthwhile?


User currently offlineBCal DC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

There was a Blackpool to London service in the summer.
Randomly, it was to Biggin Hill, and it wasn't low fare either at £199 return std fare, but it did include "luxury" coach transfers between Biggin Hill and the City. Though those quiet empty streets of London... ahem.

I'd love to see a Blackpool service again. My parents live in Lytham and it would make life very easy flying home to visit. I currently fly to MAN and get the old man to pick me up.

I've used the Sleasy Jet service from Liverpool as well, and thought it was very good.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

The whole Barclay's thing was a bit of a media scam. Barclays didn't run the airport, they just had a stake in the airport operator. Of course, attacking a bank is always a good way of getting the public onside as everybody hates them!

On the issue of airport fees themselves, when U2 first started, they were offered preferential rates as a new entrant. Why should they continue to be virtually nothing? After all, the airport operator has to make money too. Besides, as much as they might whinge about it, they don't have that much choice, they can't just close down LTN and go elsewhere. The same with LPL, where else are they going to go with a decent catchment area? Manchester? Oh, yes I'm sure they'll get a great deal there.

LGW is slot constrained, even if you assume that Easyjet got all the newly available slots, which won't happen, it would only be enough for about four high density routes.



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User currently offlineVS744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

This is pants!

I may have to write to Stelios!


User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

I'd love to see a Blackpool service. For those of you who like to laugh at the idea remember that Blackpool has 18 million visitors every year. Humberside and Teeside get London flights but I can't imagine 18 million people wanting to visit Hull or Hartlepool, 18 would be a lot.

User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1968 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

How far is Manchester International Airport away from the City of Liverpool? Do the two cities share the same international airport, so to speak? like Dallas and Forth Worth?

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1149 times:
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Manchester International Airport? We haven't been called that since 1986 (though various media types report it as such!).

Manchester has MAN - about 10 miles from Manchester city centre; it's about 40 miles from Liverpool.
Liverpool has LPL which is around 5? miles from Liverpool city centre (please someone correct me -I've been to Liverpool only twice. Twice too many times some might say  Wink/being sarcastic)

The "dual" airport that could have been developed was the former USAF base at Burtonwood near Warrington, which was near equi-distant between Manchester and Liverpool.

David/MAN: 238 and counting


User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1968 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1133 times:

Well International flights fly into MAN, making it in an international airport right? ha.

40 miles is about 65 km which would take less than an hour to complete under normal traffic conditions. That isn't too bad, is it. Unless traffic between the two cities is terrible.

I also wonder how SIA supports a daily flight to Manchester. Are there that many people going there everyday? And for that matter, how do so many airlines support daily international flights to MAN? There's nothing much to do there, is there? Except Old Trafford? And even if it's the football crowd, at the rate they're going these days, hmmmm, Man U's gonna lose a lot of fans.......

Unless MAN is the international gateway into beautiful Scotland?


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1125 times:
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Docpepz

For me the word "International" means that the airport provides customs facilities. Not such a big deal, besides you don't hear of Heathrow International or Gatwick International!

There are 33 million people within 2 hours car drive of Manchester. Suffcient catchment area, I would think, to support a fair number of daily intercontinental flights! I will admit that you won't tend to find too many in the front end of the planes but remember that we have an airline that prefers to shuttle passengers down to LHR rather than introduce long-haul out of MAN!

Looking at the situation pre-September, MAN was experiencing some 7% growth in passenger numbers; my website (http://fly.to/northwest-spotters) has passenger statistics up to June for the international flights from Northwest England, although I have yet to upload the statistics for the picture to August.

Being specific to SQ, they along with MH and EK do well in providing connections to Australia. Once I am at home again, I will furnish a better response!

As for the ignorant comment about Man Utd, you may be surprised to learn that when they were relegated in 1973-4, the following season saw them have the highest average attendence in England despite being in the old Division 2. There's a lot of mythology about the attendences as they have consistently been in the top 2 or 3 even in the long, unsuccessful period that they had!

David/MAN: 237 and counting


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Who sent them down, David? Come on...!


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User currently offlineBCal DC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

What tossy comments about MAN and why people fly there. It is a gateway to the North, and a welcome one at that, for people who can't be arsed to deal with hassle that goes with LHR/LGW.

A David said there are over 30 million people who are within a few hrs of MAN. Like my parents, going to Altanta on Delta from MAN, who are quite happy at the fact that they don't have to fly down and change planes at LGW, or anywhere else.

I do question why SIA have a flight out of MAN though. How can so many people want to go to a boring as 'eck place as Singapore is anyones guess.
At least Manchester is hip, happening, booming, top nightlife, fab clubs, music scene, Commonwealth Games coming up etc etc... unlike Singapore.



User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1118 times:
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Banco

It certainly wasn't Man City as even if Utd won 1000-0, they would still have been relegated that day! Thus, more common misconceptions!

David


User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

VS744, Barclays sold their stake in LTN to another airport operator and the landing fee issue at LTN has been resolved.

Regards
Laurens


25 VS744 : Lj, does this mean EZY will reopen the route in summer 2002? Also, Liverpool Airport is less than 40 miles from Manchester. The two cities are only ab
26 Docpepz : BCalDC10: Most of the passengers on Singapore Airlines' flights do not terminate at Singapore.(They would be dumb to do so) They usually continue on t
27 Banco : Docpepz, There are plenty of direct services into GLA, very few would go via MAN. If it's an intercontinental connection from somewhere GLA is not ser
28 BCal DC10 : well it is an international gateway to Scotland and is a choice for those who don't want the hassle of changing at LHR or LGW. You can fly to EDI, GLA
29 David_itl : VS744 Is the 25 mins at MAN "queuing and taxiing" pre-2nd runway operations or post-2nd runway operations? I would have thought there would be less ti
30 VS744 : David_itl Sorry, I should have made my point clearer - I was referrring to the quring and taxing time at both ends. i.e. a BA flight from MAN-LHR or v
31 Lj : VS744, probably not. EZY is busy expanding on the continent (AMS, GVA and maybe ORY, CPH or BRU). Thus they don't have the aircraft for a LPL-LTN rout
32 VS744 : Wouldn't it make sense for them to operate a LPL-LTN route for logistical reasons? i.e. between their two uk hubs...
33 Lj : No, because both LPL and LTN are crew bases. easyJet does have flights for logistical reasons. In fact some of the early morning flights from the UK t
34 VS744 : I have come to the conclusion that im forever going to have to drive up and down the M40 and the M6.... great....just great!
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