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United Axes JFK-GRU For Good  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

United will axe thier JFK-GRU flight for good due to porr advanced bookings. United will continue to serve Sao Paulo daily from O'Hare with a 763 and daily from Miami with a 772. Apparently, United's LaGuardia-Miami flight, which is being upgraded to a 757-200 (from an A320) will share a flight number with MIA-GRU to connect passengers. United will resume non-stop JFK-EZE service this holiday season, however. Currently, the JFK-EZE flight operates via MIA (with change of gauge).


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7383 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

Well,UA doen't have any connecting traffic @ JFK. Look at how long JFK-HKG lasted.........They should stick to ORD,DEN,LAX,SFO,MIA and EWR.


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

The flight is suspended again, but will return in the future. UA has them on the sched in 2002, I assume when loads increase, it will return.


727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

UAL has abandoned JFK like the plague with the exception of LHR. Their terminal is a ghost town. They have raped JFK of the ex PA routes. Ditto for AA. Some say AA will come back once the new terminal is in but more than half of the flights is domestic. The others are Carribean, LHR, CDG and ZRH. Delta is big at JFK but they are no where near half the size PA and TW were at their bankruptcy levels. I guess if PA and TW was still arond and financially sound they would stay at JFK or move to LAX, BOS, MIA and ORD. I don't know about STL being an international hub. It could work for Euro flights but that would be on a wing and a prayer.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1284 times:

VirginA340, I think it is mainly because JFK does not work good as a hub. Congested, and the place really needs some work (which it is getting, thank god). I wouldn't call UA's JFK terminal a ghost town though, but only because it is shared with British Airways. Also, don't forget AA also flies a handful of long-haul Latin American routes out of JFK -- GRU, EZE, CCS, and GIG (resumes 15Dec). Though it is clear that AA will focus it's future on expanding its hubs. DFW and STL into domestic gateways, MIA and ORD into international gateways. AA has more point-to-point service of any of the majors, though. Newark-Heathrow, Boston-San Diego, Houston Hobby-Los Angeles, Ft. Lauderdale-Los Angeles, Caracas-Ft. Lauderdale, Austin-San Francisco(?), San Jose-Tokyo, JFK-Vancouver, Raleigh-Ft. Lauderdale, Raleigh-Gatwick, Pittsburg-Boston...the list goes on and on. It always has amazed me (though, yes, many of those cities are "focus" cities, like San Jose, while others make use of strong neighbouring O&D, like FLL). This isn't the way of the future, however, and while some of these point-to-point routes make sense (FLL routes offer Miamians an easier way to fly to AA's most popular MIA destinations (ORD, DFW, SJU, CCS (delayed), LGA, LAX, BOS, NAS, FPO) ; LAX and JFK are big O&D markets).



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User currently offlineUnitedIAD From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1271 times:

"...They should stick to ORD,DEN,LAX,SFO,MIA and EWR."

EWR???


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

UnitedIAD,

Well UA does have a good number of flights out of EWR. You can call EWR a small hub for UA.

Regards.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineUnitedIAD From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1239 times:

Well, with the exception of LHR, UA/UAX only flies to its hubs from EWR. Not much UA connection traffic there. Getting back to the topic, I expect there will be more changes to come in UA's Latin network. I don't know if this means a build up of MIA service and the expense of JFK, or the elimination of international flying from *both* MIA and JFK (focusing on ORD/SFO/LAX/IAD instead.) Should be interesting!

User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

EWR also is a crew base for United. EWR has a LHR flight as well.

I L U V 7 6 7


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

UnitedIAD, only problem is that UA's MIA routes are already heavy O&D, and they are building a new 28-gate international terminal at MIA ($1B I think), already under construction.


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4878 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

They should focus on IAD-Latin America, seems like a no-brainer to me.


Next Up: STL-TPA-BWI-PWM-BWI-STL
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

Ozark, UA did try to apply for the rights to IAD-EZE after CO dropped plans for EWR-EZE. Focusing Latin routes out of IAD could work, but again, they won't get the O&D of JFK and MIA. And JFK and MIA are also were the premium passengers are for these routes, and they will likely take the non-stop (especially those in Miami, who don't want to fly up) over a connecting flight anyday. IAD-EZE/GRU could possibly, work though. Varig and TransBrasil used to both fly to IAD (TR was, I think, GRU-BSB-IAD. RG was GRU-ATL-IAD).


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User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

United has a very limited presence in JFK, I noticed this while there last week. They utilize gates 7-12, no easyInfo screens (and they use the little plastic sliding things too? come on, our UAX terminal in SFO is more technologically advanced than that), and when I was there, it was devoid of any activity except for the last flights to LAX and SFO.

For some reason I thought they were bigger in JFK than that... the SFO/LAX flights used to depart from T6, my friend pointed out specifically where. 'Tis sad.

Kai



Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4878 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Good points. However, the feed alone at IAD would be worth 4-8 "major" Latin destinations, in the right size aircraft. Why compete for NYC traffic (tho they would, thru IAD and MIA) when you could go for the entire NE quarter of the country? They'll never match AA at MIA. IAD is the capitol of the nation, a high-tech corridor, and the southern-most hub in the NE.


Next Up: STL-TPA-BWI-PWM-BWI-STL
User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

Actually, UA's JFK-GRU flight will be coming back on Dec. 15 and then be suspended again on Dec. 23. It's scheduled for now to restart on March 5. But of course that can change.

Also UA will be suspending ORD-MEX-SJO and only operate ORD-MEX starting on Jan. 2. ORD-MEX-SJO is scheduled to resume on May 1.


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