MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31722 posts, RR: 72 Posted (12 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1247 times:
United will axe thier JFK-GRU flight for good due to porr advanced bookings. United will continue to serve Sao Paulo daily from O'Hare with a 763 and daily from Miami with a 772. Apparently, United's LaGuardia-Miami flight, which is being upgraded to a 757-200 (from an A320) will share a flight number with MIA-GRU to connect passengers. United will resume non-stop JFK-EZE service this holiday season, however. Currently, the JFK-EZE flight operates via MIA (with change of gauge).
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1118 times:
UAL has abandoned JFK like the plague with the exception of LHR. Their terminal is a ghost town. They have raped JFK of the ex PA routes. Ditto for AA. Some say AA will come back once the new terminal is in but more than half of the flights is domestic. The others are Carribean, LHR, CDG and ZRH. Delta is big at JFK but they are no where near half the size PA and TW were at their bankruptcy levels. I guess if PA and TW was still arond and financially sound they would stay at JFK or move to LAX, BOS, MIA and ORD. I don't know about STL being an international hub. It could work for Euro flights but that would be on a wing and a prayer.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31722 posts, RR: 72 Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1115 times:
VirginA340, I think it is mainly because JFK does not work good as a hub. Congested, and the place really needs some work (which it is getting, thank god). I wouldn't call UA's JFK terminal a ghost town though, but only because it is shared with British Airways. Also, don't forget AA also flies a handful of long-haul Latin American routes out of JFK -- GRU, EZE, CCS, and GIG (resumes 15Dec). Though it is clear that AA will focus it's future on expanding its hubs. DFW and STL into domestic gateways, MIA and ORD into international gateways. AA has more point-to-point service of any of the majors, though. Newark-Heathrow, Boston-San Diego, Houston Hobby-Los Angeles, Ft. Lauderdale-Los Angeles, Caracas-Ft. Lauderdale, Austin-San Francisco(?), San Jose-Tokyo, JFK-Vancouver, Raleigh-Ft. Lauderdale, Raleigh-Gatwick, Pittsburg-Boston...the list goes on and on. It always has amazed me (though, yes, many of those cities are "focus" cities, like San Jose, while others make use of strong neighbouring O&D, like FLL). This isn't the way of the future, however, and while some of these point-to-point routes make sense (FLL routes offer Miamians an easier way to fly to AA's most popular MIA destinations (ORD, DFW, SJU, CCS (delayed), LGA, LAX, BOS, NAS, FPO) ; LAX and JFK are big O&D markets).
UnitedIAD From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1070 times:
Well, with the exception of LHR, UA/UAX only flies to its hubs from EWR. Not much UA connection traffic there. Getting back to the topic, I expect there will be more changes to come in UA's Latin network. I don't know if this means a build up of MIA service and the expense of JFK, or the elimination of international flying from *both* MIA and JFK (focusing on ORD/SFO/LAX/IAD instead.) Should be interesting!
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31722 posts, RR: 72 Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1051 times:
Ozark, UA did try to apply for the rights to IAD-EZE after CO dropped plans for EWR-EZE. Focusing Latin routes out of IAD could work, but again, they won't get the O&D of JFK and MIA. And JFK and MIA are also were the premium passengers are for these routes, and they will likely take the non-stop (especially those in Miami, who don't want to fly up) over a connecting flight anyday. IAD-EZE/GRU could possibly, work though. Varig and TransBrasil used to both fly to IAD (TR was, I think, GRU-BSB-IAD. RG was GRU-ATL-IAD).
OH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 21 Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1044 times:
United has a very limited presence in JFK, I noticed this while there last week. They utilize gates 7-12, no easyInfo screens (and they use the little plastic sliding things too? come on, our UAX terminal in SFO is more technologically advanced than that), and when I was there, it was devoid of any activity except for the last flights to LAX and SFO.
For some reason I thought they were bigger in JFK than that... the SFO/LAX flights used to depart from T6, my friend pointed out specifically where. 'Tis sad.
Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4758 posts, RR: 22 Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1044 times:
Good points. However, the feed alone at IAD would be worth 4-8 "major" Latin destinations, in the right size aircraft. Why compete for NYC traffic (tho they would, thru IAD and MIA) when you could go for the entire NE quarter of the country? They'll never match AA at MIA. IAD is the capitol of the nation, a high-tech corridor, and the southern-most hub in the NE.
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